From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:53:00 1998 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:02:15 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n301 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n301 -------------- 001 - Rod Hannah - Re: New Joes 006 - OgreHombre@aol.com - Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n300 G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n301.1 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: pics and MIDIs Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:29:27 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199709282341.QAA05345@lists1.best.com> <199709301950.MAA29962@lists1.best.com> B L H wrote: > > Say, I'm looking for a video capture card too! If anyone knows of a way > to get one, please let me know as well! > On the other hand, I know someone who can help when it comes to getting > still pics! He's a trusted friend of mine. = ) Please E-mail me for > details! Okay.. what are the details? I'm after a couple specific screen grabs from the episode Cold Slither. Can you get me in touch with your friend? > >Anyone got a WAV to Midi programme? > > Just so happens that the same friend I mentioned above knows someone who > regularly makes MIDIs. For more info, please E-mail me (not the list)! > > Happy Joe hunting!! > > -Fortune Wow. some friend. Well I'd like to know about that too. Thanks. :) Hear from you later. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n301.2 --------------- From: hz399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. J. Karlisle) Subject: misc Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:38:20 -0400 (EDT) speaking of floatable vehicles, i remember i was more interested in playing with deep six in the water than the sharc... he goes up... he goes down... he goes up... in response to the question about gung ho in the pics of new figures, i believe these pics are just hand painted protos? this would explain why some of the weapons are mixed up and some of the figures (gung ho) are there to show they're meant to be there.. but none of the shown paint jobs are guaranteed to match the final product. we'll all see... -Kj --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n301.3 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: GI Joe Email Roleplaying Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:26:19 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies for posting my last message to the list rather than direct to Fortune. Those that are interested in the GI Joe E-mail Roleplaying Game: Covert Ops, can have a look at whats happened so far on its page. Been updated. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/GIRPG/GIcop.html I'm also interested in hearing from anyone who is interesting in running the second game when this ones finished as I will most likely be working on other projects and not have the time to coordinate things again. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n301.4 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: the new joes- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:26:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, having finally seen a photo of the new version Joes, my foremost thought is-"these are cool=looking toys." I would want these even if I hadn't collected them for the past fifteen-odd years. It reminds me of seeing the small Joes for the first time in People magazine-"I want them!" I thought. That's why I think this is going to be a successful experiment-they're still great figures, great detail, great accesories-they outclass anything new out there. But why the Slugger? I never liked it, never had it as a kid, don't want to buy it now. But I gotta, cause Gung-Ho's a classic, and I want the new version. Oh, well.... High John --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n301.5 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: New Joes Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:56:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199709291819.LAA16318@lists1.best.com> At 11:15 AM -0700 9/29/97, Chris Rodgers wrote: >Hey everybody, >I just checked out the new Joes in Toyfare, they looked great. My >only question is does Hasbro plan on using the accessories that are >pictured with the figures? The reason I ask is I have been looking >for Baroness' gun and I believe Iceberg has it in the photo The guys who take these toy publicity photos aren't exactly known for accessory accuracy. If you look at older G.I.Joe publicity shots, figures commonly carry the wrong weapons. In the 1983 catalog, Destro and Major Bludd have their weapons switched, in 1985 Tomax and Xamot's guns are silver, in 1985 Zap and Mutt have their helmets switched, etc. I wouldn't put too much credence in advanced publicity photos. > also Snow >Job's accessories appear to be the same as his original ones. Won't >this de-value the old complete figures? I am not worried about how >much my collection is worth but I know I have had to invest quite a >bit to find the complete loose figures I have. Can anyone help me >out? Thanks. Based on Hasbro's track record, I doubt that they're going to change the accessories at all. Hasbro has no qualms about re-using accessories without any changes - Stargate, Street Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat, even one of the Lost World action figures carries around Scoop's camera. I used a Street Fighter 2 Sagat's machine gun to complete my Night Force Shockwave. I'm betting that you'll see a lot more complete 1985 Snake Eyes figures, with the extra swords and uzis floating around after the figures are released. Will it devalue the originals? We'll have to wait and see. On one hand, there's a twelve year difference between an original Scarlett and the new one that's packaged in the Stars &Stripes collection. On the other hand, the newer Scarlett will be in better condition and have a nicer paint job... Wait and see, I suppose. -Eugene eson@mail.com ------------------------------------------------------------ | 3 3/4" G.I.Joe Archive | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers | | you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n301.6 --------------- From: OgreHombre@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n300 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:48:41 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-01 21:48:28 EDT, you write: << What versions are the new Storm Shadow and Snake-Eyes repaints of? I wasn't to sure from th picture at http://www.yojoe.com/1997joes/, can anybody tell me >> I've seen 2 snake-eyes the first one and the second one with timber. And the storm shadow is gonna be the first one. - Alan --------------- END gijoe.v001.n301 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:53:19 1998 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n302 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n302 -------------- 001 - Rod Hannah Subject: Customizing figs - help! Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 14:29:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the last few weeks I have become increasingly interested in customizing figures. Now I know these questions get asked a lot on the list... so I was wondering whether there was a good page out there that gives info on the recommended paints, glossy overcoat and putty that can be used. But I would greatly appreaciate hearing from anyone at all, on just what bits and peices I should look out for next time I out shopping. I want to know in particular how and what I should use to makenew parts on a figure... say for example a hat. I hear people use some sort of putty. What happens? glue it on? All help very much appreciated. P.S. - anyone have any "super powers" figures for sale? -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- END gijoe.v001.n302 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:53:29 1998 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n303 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n303 -------------- 001 - Michele or Gabe Riggle

- Re: Fights 005 - Kevin Merkley Subject: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:30:14 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was wondering why the eighty nine Snake Eyes has a lump on the side of his head. I thought that maybe it was a ear cover but it was only on one side of the head. Any ideas? Thanks for any help, Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n303.2 --------------- From: Michele or Gabe Riggle Subject: Fights Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:15:58 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can remember having some major fights with my brother about Snake Eyes having inviso powder in his pockets and whether or not Snake Eyes could wup Quick Kick and stuff like that. Mostly about stuff bein' real. What were some fights you guys had about realism in a battle? Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n303.3 --------------- From: Deplitch Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 03:44:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710052332.QAA11300@lists1.best.com> Michele or Gabe Riggle wrote: > > I was wondering why the eighty nine Snake Eyes has a lump on the side of his > head. I thought that maybe it was a ear cover but it was only on one side > of the head. Any ideas? > > Thanks for any help, > Gabe It is a head phone I think. Nick --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n303.4 --------------- From: "zero" Subject: Re: Fights Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:37:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rember that I once threw a Serpentor at a wall and his helmet/visor thing came off, and he looked like he had a bolloon for a head. I took of his head (with screw drivers and stuff) and put it on a dukes body and I called him pencil head. well, later zero zero@mlode.com "The internet is my domain" -Me evreyone dies evil exsists; It is intellagence in the surface of entropy, if a side of a mountian were to slide down to kill a village, this is not evil, for evil requiers intent; sould a snntiant being cause that land slide, thier is evil and requiers juctice as a concenquence so that civilization can ixstst thier is no greater good than juctice, and only if law serves juctice, is it good law. it is said correctly that juctice exsists for the un just; because the just carry it in thier hearts and do not need to call it from afiar..... i bow to no one and give service only for cause ---------- : From: Michele or Gabe Riggle : To: gijoe@lists.best.com : Subject: Fights : Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 5:15 PM : : I can remember having some major fights with my brother about Snake Eyes : having inviso powder in his pockets and whether or not Snake Eyes could wup : Quick Kick and stuff like that. Mostly about stuff bein' real. What were : some fights you guys had about realism in a battle? : : Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n303.5 --------------- From: Kevin Merkley Subject: So close........ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:24:07 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All, Guys, I`m down to 10 figures needed to be complete. They are: Brazil Claymore Brazil Mainframe Red Ninja Ryu (grey version) Guile (green Camo) Sky creeper Decimator Night Force Spearhead & Max Star Brigade Countdown (Grey&green suit-last version) Ace (green jumpsuit,last version) I would really appreciate any help in locating these figures. I`ve got LOTS to trade or will pay over book value for any of the above(loose,mint preferred,but carded okay too.)If you want to sell or trade....LMK,Thanks...MERK kmerkley@usit.net ** MERK **......Deeds Speak!! kmerkley@usit.net "Just because you *can* say anything you want...doesn`t mean you should." --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n303.6 --------------- From: fortunex@juno.com (B L H) Subject: Re: Fights Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:57:46 -0500 References: <199710060018.RAA26000@lists1.best.com> >What were some fights you guys had about realism in a battle? I remember how my brother would sometimes get mad at me when we were playing because as the Cobras I was "too nice." Then, when I tried to be meaner, he'd get mad again because I was "acting stupid." Over time, though, he learned to take advantage of this rather than complain. My passive playing habits made it all too easy for him to win battles. Hee hee!! -Fortune For Cobra.................for the future!! COBRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ --------------- END gijoe.v001.n303 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:53:36 1998 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n304 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n304 -------------- 001 - RTGOAT@aol.com - Cobra Commander 002 - Ed + Marlene Dam rtgoat@aol.com . Thanx! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n304.2 --------------- From: Ed + Marlene Dam Subject: Re: Cobra Commander Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:26:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710070033.RAA04261@lists1.best.com> RTGOAT@aol.com wrote: > > :Hi! I know I'm new on this list but I have a Joe Question about Cobra > :Commander. In the Movie they show what I believe is Cobra Commander as a > :scientist..then a spore blows up in his face......Is that cobra commander > :when he is young(er)? Also what Cobra Commander out fit is the best...My > fav > :is when he has the Helmet with the Silver face plate...whatta you guys > think? > :Send me mail @ rtgoat@aol.com . Thanx! I personally like the 1993 edition of C.C when he is in black with the hood. Yes, in the movie, the scientist is supposed to be a younger cobra commander. Hope this helped!!! Ed Dam damed@iaw.on.ca --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n304.3 --------------- From: Justin Haley Martin Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n303 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:56:40 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710070002.RAA17827@lists1.best.com> I guess he'd need to listen to his jams while he breakdances! ;-) What do you think he has in there, Cold Slither? Oh yeah, speaking of which, I saw some page that was talking about worst homepages, and one that came up was a homepage for Cold Slither. The CS page didn't work, and probably hasn't for a while, but the funny thing was whoever the idiot is that judged these homepages thought Cold Slither was an actual band and said something like "For being the best undiscovered band, you certainly couldn't tell judging by their home page." I think I found it by typing "Cold Slither on a Infoseek search. Justin > From: Deplitch > Subject: Re: > Michele or Gabe Riggle wrote: > > > > I was wondering why the eighty nine Snake Eyes has a lump on the side of his > > head. I thought that maybe it was a ear cover but it was only on one side > > of the head. Any ideas? > > > > Thanks for any help, > > Gabe > > It is a head phone I think. > > Nick > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n303.4 --------------- > > From: "zero" > Subject: Re: Fights > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:37:47 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I rember that I once threw a Serpentor at a wall and his helmet/visor thing > came off, and he looked like he had a bolloon for a head. I took of his > head (with screw drivers and stuff) and put it on a dukes body and I called > him pencil head. well, later > > zero > > zero@mlode.com > > > "The internet is my domain" > -Me > > > > evreyone dies > evil exsists; It is intellagence in the > surface of entropy, > if a side of a mountian were to slide > down to kill a village, this is not evil, for evil > requiers intent; sould a snntiant being cause > that land slide, thier is evil and requiers > juctice as a concenquence so that civilization > can ixstst > thier is no greater good than juctice, and > only if law serves juctice, is it good law. > it is said correctly that juctice exsists for the > un just; because the just carry it in thier hearts > and do not need to call it from afiar..... > > i bow to no one and give service > only for cause > > ---------- > : From: Michele or Gabe Riggle > : To: gijoe@lists.best.com > : Subject: Fights > : Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 5:15 PM > : > : I can remember having some major fights with my brother about Snake Eyes > : having inviso powder in his pockets and whether or not Snake Eyes could > wup > : Quick Kick and stuff like that. Mostly about stuff bein' real. What > were > : some fights you guys had about realism in a battle? > : > : Gabe > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n303.5 --------------- > > From: Kevin Merkley > Subject: So close........ > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:24:07 -0400 (EDT) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All, > Guys, I`m down to 10 figures needed to be complete. They are: > > Brazil Claymore > Brazil Mainframe > Red Ninja > Ryu (grey version) > Guile (green Camo) > Sky creeper > Decimator > Night Force Spearhead & Max > Star Brigade Countdown (Grey&green suit-last version) > Ace (green jumpsuit,last version) > > I would really appreciate any help in locating these figures. I`ve got > LOTS to trade or will pay over book value for any of the above(loose,mint > preferred,but carded okay too.)If you want to sell or trade....LMK,Thanks...MERK > > kmerkley@usit.net > ** MERK **......Deeds Speak!! > kmerkley@usit.net > > "Just because you *can* say anything you want...doesn`t mean you should." > > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n303.6 --------------- > > From: fortunex@juno.com (B L H) > Subject: Re: Fights > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:57:46 -0500 > References: <199710060018.RAA26000@lists1.best.com> > > >What were some fights you guys had about realism in a battle? > > I remember how my brother would sometimes get mad at me when we were > playing because as the Cobras I was "too nice." Then, when I tried to be > meaner, he'd get mad again because I was "acting stupid." Over time, > though, he learned to take advantage of this rather than complain. My > passive playing habits made it all too easy for him to win battles. Hee > hee!! > > -Fortune > > For Cobra.................for the future!! > COBRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ > > > --------------- END gijoe.v001.n303 --------------- > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n304.4 --------------- From: Ttillery1@aol.com Subject: Restoration Help! Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:48:21 -0400 (EDT) I am trying to change out the band in an old Spirit figure, but I have run into a little snag. The screw in the back is so rusted that the head has crumbled a little which will not allow me to get it out with a screw driver. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get that screw out or am I just S.O.L.? Thanks Todd --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n304.5 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n303 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 22:08:54 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710070157.SAA12562@lists1.best.com> Justin Haley Martin wrote: > > I guess he'd need to listen to his jams while he breakdances! ;-) What do > you think he has in there, Cold Slither? > Oh yeah, speaking of which, I saw some page that was talking about worst > homepages, and one that came up was a homepage for Cold Slither. The CS > page didn't work, and probably hasn't for a while, but the funny thing was > whoever the idiot is that judged these homepages thought Cold Slither was > an actual band and said something like "For being the best undiscovered > band, you certainly couldn't tell judging by their home page." I think I > found it by typing "Cold Slither on a Infoseek search. > > Justin What was the URL? Could you copy it for me. You see I have a cold slither page.. part of Zartans Domain. It might not have been mine this guy was refering to.. but I'd like to know. Has anyone on this list checked out the page. The cold slither midi isn't that easy to come by you know. And has anyone had trouble with the embedded sounds? Anyone veiwing the site from work had a surprise to hear Zartans voice? hehehe. hope not. I want to hear from people who are interested in contributing to Zartans domain. I'd very much like articles on anything in particular.. in someway related to Joes. Or even if anyones interested in writing some dreadnok fan fiction. mine won't be up for sometime due to prior commitments. Thanks to anyone who repsonds. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n304.6 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Philadelphia G.I.Joe Show Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:41:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Yo Joes: Well, the Joe convention was certainly a lesson in capitalism. This is the first time I attended one, so I'm wondering if all shows are this way: A given item, whether it was a Classic Collection 12" Joe, or a 3&3/4" MOC Joe, would be at 5 different booths for 5 DIFFERENT prices - and when I say different, I'm not talking just by a couple of bucks. For example, I purchased the 30th Anniversary 3&3/4" 5 figure Original Team set (the one with the Action Pilot Astronaut & Mercury capsule) for $25(by the way how much did this set retail originally?). One dealer was offering it for $45, another for $75, and another for $100! The dealer who had sold it to me for $25 was actually selling them at $30, but this particular one had torn cellophane on the package. Another example: Jinx MOC - one dealer wanted $14, another on the other side of the convention center wanted $35! Is this how the sales run at all conventions? I imagined it would have been a situation of dealers sending out their "scouts" to recon prices at other booths offering the same merchandise, and then in turn offering just a few bucks less for their identical items. I really expected duplicate merchandise to be within a narrow price range. I never thought it was possible for me to become inundated with G.I.Joe, but after three hours on Saturday, I needed a break from the Real American Hero... -Gary ............................................ "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." -T.J. ............................................ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n304.7 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Restoration Help! Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:04:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:48 AM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >I am trying to change out the band in an old Spirit figure, but I have run >into a little snag. The screw in the back is so rusted that the head has >crumbled a little which will not allow me to get it out with a screw driver. > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get that screw out or am I just >S.O.L.? > >Thanks > >Todd There are special screws available at hardware stores that have the threads reversed. Their specific purpose is to extract screws that have the heads stripped in this way. I have no idea if they have anything that is small enough to work with 3 3/4" Joes and have never tried this myself but it seems worth investigating. Hope this helps. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n304.8 --------------- From: Harrison Yee Subject: RE: Restoration Help! Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:14:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCD309.DBF71220" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCD309.DBF71220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've seen this stuff at hardware stores. It's some kind of glue that = you apply to the head of the damaged screw. The glue forms a strong = bond between the damaged screw and the screwdrive, thereby enabling you = to remove the screw. I seem to have forgotten the name of the stuff, but it's the sort of = thing that you see being sold on TV Infomercials. Hope this helps. ---------- From: Ttillery1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 12:48 AM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Restoration Help! I am trying to change out the band in an old Spirit figure, but I have = run into a little snag. The screw in the back is so rusted that the head = has crumbled a little which will not allow me to get it out with a screw = driver. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get that screw out or am I = just S.O.L.? 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Stinson" Subject: Re: Philadelphia G.I.Joe Show Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:29:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gary, What can you tell us about that supposed "exclusive" pre-order for the re-intro Joes that Majic was offering? -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n304.10 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: Off to Chicago Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:00:58 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi guys! I'm on my way to Chicago, and I'll be staying there for about one week. Does anyone know about good places to find Joe stuff there? LMK, Rod KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n304.11 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: Soldier of Fortune (TV) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:15:55 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey! Has anybody seen the new WB TV series "Soldier of fortune"? It's pretty cool. Actually, they could've just as well titled it: "G.I. JOE Special Missions: The TV Series" Cause that's pretty much what it is. No Cobra, though. If you haven't seen it or know what I'm talking about, there's a website you can visit: http://www.soldieroffortune.com In the Kansas City area at least, it shows at 10:00 PM on Sunday nights. KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you --------------- END gijoe.v001.n304 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:53:44 1998 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n305 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n305 -------------- 001 - fortunex@juno.com (B L H) - Re: Soldier of Fortune (TV) 002 - Rod Hannah >Hey! Has anybody seen the new WB TV series "Soldier of fortune"? >It's pretty cool. Actually, they could've just as well titled it: >"G.I. JOE Special Missions: The TV Series" Cause that's pretty much what it >is. Gak!! They even named it after me! Hee hee hee hee!! Maybe my visions weren't so far off after all...... -Fortune --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n305.2 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: GI JOE QUIZ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 00:24:13 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, okay, its not realy a quiz. But can YOU answer these comic questions? 1.) Cobra has - over its many years - gained holdings in various countries across the world. List the names of all of these holdings and those that are currently (as of issue 155) under the influence of Cobra. 2.) The G.I. Joe team, like Cobra, have been in existence for many years. Over this time their bases have come and gone. List these bases and where possible the approximate location (in miles (just kidding)). 3.) Name all the Joes that died in the comic. 4.) Name up to 10 personnel weapons used by both G.I. Joe and Cobra (grenades, types of rifles etc..) 5.) Name the two highest ranking officers on the Oktober Guard (in Russian (just kidding)). 5.) Find any missing vehicles from the lists below. If you can. G.I. Joe APC ATV AWE Striker Air Defense Ammo Dump Anti-Aircraft Gun Arctic Blast Armadillo Avalanche Battle Wagon Bivouac Bomb Disposal Check Point Coastal Defender Conquest X-30 Crusader Space Shuttle with Avenger Craft Defiant Space Vehicle Launch Complex Desert Fox Devilfish Double Machine Gun Dragonfly XH-1 FLAK Falcon Glider Forward Observer General HAL HAVOC Hammer Helicoptor JUMP Jet Pack LAW LCV Recon Sled Locust MANTA MMS MOBAT Machine Gun Defense Unit Mauler (MOBAT II) Mean Dog Mine Sweeper Missle Defense Unit Mobile Battle Bunker Mobile Command Center Mortar Defense Unit Mortar Launcher Mountain Howitzer Mudfighter Outpost Defender PAC RATs Persuader Phantom X-19 Stealth Fighter Polar Battle Bear RAM RPV Radar Rat Radar Station Raider Retaliator Road Toad Rolling Thunder Rope Walker SHARC SLAM Scuba Pack Silver Mirage Skystorm X-Wing Chopper Skystriker XP-14F Slugger Snow Cat Swampmasher Tactical Battle Platform Tank Car Thunderclap Tomahawk Toss and Cross Bridgelayer Tri Blaster U.S.S. Flagg VAMP VAMP Mark II WHALE Warthog AIFV Watch Tower Weapon Transport Whirlwind Wolverine Sgt. Slaughter's Marauders Equalizer Lynx Marauder Armadillo Triple T Battle Force 2000 Dominator Eliminator Marauder Pulverizer Sky Sweeper Vector Vindicator Tiger Force Tiger Cat Tiger Fish Tiger Fly Tiger Paw Tiger Rat Tiger Shark Tiger Sting Sky Patrol Sky Havoc Sky Hawk Sky Raven Sky Sharc Cobra ASP Adder BUGG Battle Barge Bunker Buzz Boar CLAW Cobra Jet Pack Condor Z25 Devastor Dictator (Overlord's) Earth Borer FANG FANG II Ferret Firebat Flight Pod Gyro Copter HISS HISS II Hammerhead Hovercraft Hurricane VTOL Hydro Sled Imp Machine Gun Nest Maggot Mamba Attack Copter Moray Mountain Climber Night Landing Night Raven POGO Piranha Pom Pom Gun Rage Rattler Rifle Range Rocket Sled Rope Crosser SNAKE STUN Sea Ray Serpentor's Air Chariot Stiletto Stinger Surveillance Port Terror Dome Twin Missle Launcher Viper Glider WOLF Water Mocassin Python Patrol Python Patrol ASP Python Patrol Conquest Python Patrol STUN Dreadnoks Battle Axe Chameleon Dreadnok Cycle Swampfire Thunder Machine Zanzibar's Air Skiff Iron Grenadiers AGP DEMON Destro's Despoiler Evader Razorback The winner will receive a chocolate fish. :) -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n305.3 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Wild Price Variations Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:41:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In reference to what Gary DeVoe was asking about the wide disparity in pricing on secondary market figures-you bet it's typical. I've never been to an exclusivelt Joe show, but I hit the action figure shows and flea markets a lot, and there's always a huge variation in what things sell for. About the only thing that's consitent right now is that every greedy vulture on the planet is getting $35 for a Star Wars Slave Girl Princess Leia. Otherwise, most everything is wide open, so it's always a good idea to look at everybody's wares and prices before you start buying. It's usually a matter of what the dealer thinks he can get for an item. To the continuance of Valor, High John --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n305.4 --------------- From: Harrison Yee Subject: Figure Conversions Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:08:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCD3FB.FDF9F480" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCD3FB.FDF9F480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All! I was wondering if anyone knew anything about Warhammer 40K miniatures. = These are small metal figurines used for wargaming. I was thinking that = these would make great GI Joe conversions. They are small enough so = that you can field an entire army of Cobras, but, they also have enough = details so that you can specialize individual Joes. If not Warhammer 40K miniatures, then maybe someone might be able to = suggest similar miniatures for this project. I'd also appreciate any = modelling tips that anyone might have. Thanks. 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I am depressed. I just recieved official word from HASBRO, and the 3 3/4 GIJOE re-releases will not be available at Canadian Toys R Us stores. Luckily, I live only 1 hour from the USA border. PLEASE post as SOON as anyone knows they are out, so I can hop in my car and go over the border. Thanks. Ed damed@iaw.on.ca --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n305.6 --------------- From: jared charles durst Subject: Picture Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:12:54 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you want to see the "Early Bird GI Joe Package" from the 1997 GI Joe convention go to this eBay site: http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922699 I think it looks pretty cool. Did anybody get this package? Jared C. Durst --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n305.7 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Price Variations Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Yup. Like I said I got a Red Star for $7 and then later got the same figure for a dollar. I wish they would be the same but.....some people wanna rip you off. Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com Note to self: Never buy the first thing you see and never buy a Red Star for $7 again. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n305.8 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: NO JOE Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Woooooo!!!!! . For a second there I thought you were gonna say that GI Joes weren't gonna be coming out at all. Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n305.9 --------------- From: Michele or Gabe Riggle Subject: Re: Picture Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:25:13 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:12 PM 10/8/97 -0500, you wrote: > > If you want to see the "Early Bird GI Joe Package" from the 1997 >GI Joe convention go to this eBay site: > > http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922699 > >I think it looks pretty cool. Did anybody get this package? > >Jared C. Durst > > I've been having trouble veiwing this. Could one of you please send it to me privately at pathfind@tusco.net. Thanks a lot! Gabe --------------- END gijoe.v001.n305 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:53:49 1998 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n306 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n306 -------------- 001 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: Picture 002 - Dan Carber Subject: Re: Picture Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 00:43:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_876386607==_" In-Reply-To: <199710090421.VAA06376@lists1.best.com> --=====================_876386607==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:21 AM 10/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >For some reason it says Access Forbidden and I can't get there. Someone also >send me a pic privately. Thanks, Ok.....here's the actual picture from EBay, if 2 people are having problems, then there must be more. The site is working fine for me, as of 12:41am on 10/9/97 EST. 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Mon May 4 20:54:00 1998 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n307 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n307 -------------- 001 - Strmshdw99@aol.com - Re: Picture 002 - "Gary W. DeVoe" - Re: Picture 006 - Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Picture Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:30:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 06:12 PM 10/8/97 -0500, you wrote: > > If you want to see the "Early Bird GI Joe Package" from the 1997 >GI Joe convention go to this eBay site: > > http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922699 > >I think it looks pretty cool. Did anybody get this package? > Yo Joes: I thought about it, but I'd rather know which figures are being offered before I purchased it, so I passed... -Gary ******************************** The Southwest Oncology Group Solid Tumor Repository ******************************** Gary W. DeVoe The University of Cincinnati 231 Bethesda Avenue Cincinnati, Ohio 45267-0529 P:(513) 558-4675 F:(513) 558-2289 Gary.DeVoe@UC.Edu "I enjoyed my youth so much that I decided to bring it along with me..." -Garret Cogan ******************************** --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n307.3 --------------- From: James McFadden Subject: RE: GI JOE QUIZ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:11:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >But can YOU answer these comic questions? Yep. >1.) Cobra has - over its many years - gained >holdings in various countries across the world. List >the names of all of these holdings and those that >are currently (as of issue 155) under the influence >of Cobra. Sierra Gordo Trans-Carpathia Fruzenland Trucial Abysmia Benzheen Borovia (still in control) Cobra Island USA (Springfield, Broca Beach, Milville, Cobra Consulate in NY) >2.) The G.I. Joe team, like Cobra, have been in >existence for many years. Over this time their bases >have come and gone. List these bases and where >possible the approximate location (in miles (just >kidding)). The Pit I and II: Chaplain's Assistant's School at Fort Wadsworth, Staten Island, NY The Pit III: Escalante Desert, Utah Bonus answer: Underground facility at The Presidio, San Francisco, CA. >3.) Name all the Joes that died in the comic. Doc, CrazyLegs, Breaker, Crankcase, Quick Kick, Heavy Metal, Thunder, Gen Flagg, Mangler, Cool Breeze, Sneak Peek, BF 2000: Blaster, Blocker, Knockdown, Maverick, Dee-Jay, Avalanche. 4.) Name up to 10 personnel weapons used by both G.I. Joe and Cobra (grenades, types of rifles etc..) M-16, M1911A1, XMLR-1A & XMLR-2A (Flash's and Snow Job's laser rifles), Uzi, M-14, M-60, Gatling Guns (Rock & Roll's made-up machine guns), Colt .45 revolver (some figure came with this), M-79 (grenade launcher, I think). >5.) Name the two highest ranking officers on the >Oktober Guard (in Russian (just kidding)). Colonel Brekhov, Colonel "Red Star" Krimov >5.) Find any missing vehicles from the lists below. >If you can. Tough one. 1 - JOE and COBRA Battle Copters 2 - Joe Headquarters (actually seen in issue #19) How about some non-toy vehicles? 3 - COBRA Missle Command base, that exclusively Sears toy. 4 - GI JOE LCT (Landing Craft Tank) seen in issue #1 and #76. 5 - COBRA transport helicopters seen in various issues. 6 & 7 - COBRA S.E.A. Legs and amphibious tanks seen in issue #8. So, where's my prize??? James McFadden ------------------------------------------ JMM's G.I. Joe Comics Home Page http://www.netcom.com/~mikejmc/gihome.html ------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n307.4 --------------- From: Conor Malone Subject: Re: Picture Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:49:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710090442.VAA17500@lists1.best.com> Dan Carber wrote: > > At 12:21 AM 10/9/97 -0400, you wrote: > >For some reason it says Access Forbidden and I can't get there. Someone also > >send me a pic privately. Thanks, > > Ok.....here's the actual picture from EBay, if 2 people are having > problems, then there must be more. The site is working fine for me, as of > 12:41am on 10/9/97 EST. > > Enjoy, my loyal brothers of Joe!!! > > dan > dcarber@tiac.net I realize that you are doing a good deed here, but it's not really a good idea to send attachments to the list. It's a bad idea in general but it is especially bad for our digest subscribers. That picture is going to come across as a boat load of text. When I get around to finishing the FAQ for the mailing list, I'll make sure to put that in there since this has come up before. The best way to handle this situation is just to ask over the list who is interested in the picture and then send it to them directly. Conor -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Conor Malone cmalone@yahoo-inc.com Yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Technical Yahoo! Do You Yahoo!? My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Inc. 3400 Central Expressway Suite 201 Santa Clara, CA 95051 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n307.5 --------------- From: Pawsha Subject: Re: Picture Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:46:21 EDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your not supposed to send pics to the list. It screws up the people who get 30 messages at a time. I don't but whoever does gets screwed up. So please don't send pics to the list. Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n307.6 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: NO JOE Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:06:09 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710082147.OAA17067@lists1.best.com> Ed + Marlene Dam wrote: > > Hey everyone. I am depressed. I just recieved official word from HASBRO, > and the 3 3/4 GIJOE re-releases will not be available at Canadian Toys R > Us stores. Luckily, I live only 1 hour from the USA border. PLEASE post > as SOON as anyone knows they are out, so I can hop in my car and go over > the border. Thanks. I wish I could hop in a car and go across the border to get the figures I want. But I'd need a cruise liner or a plane to get over there. Thats right, I don't think New Zealand will be getting these.. at least not anywhere I know. The figs I'm after are the Trouble Bubble with Viper, the Rage vehicle and the Cobra Command set. Has anyone got any estimates on the price of the Trouble Bubble? As I'm looking at buying several of these ...somehow. And if anyone can help me out with purchasing these things through them... In case they don't get released down here, please let me know. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n307.7 --------------- From: Kevin Merkley Subject: Re: NO JOE Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:20:42 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Rod & Our other Foreign Brothers, If Rod or any one else,has trouble getting stuff let me know. As a former non-resident of the U.S. I know how tough it is to get stuff,and will happy to do all I can. I`ve done mass orders from Cotswold for the guys on the newsgroup and sent figures(140 of`em!) to 6 different countries in just one order,So this shouldn`t be a problem......Just let me know.............MERK At 01:06 PM 10/10/97 +1300, you wrote: >Ed + Marlene Dam wrote: >> >> Hey everyone. I am depressed. I just recieved official word from HASBRO, >> and the 3 3/4 GIJOE re-releases will not be available at Canadian Toys R >> Us stores. Luckily, I live only 1 hour from the USA border. PLEASE post >> as SOON as anyone knows they are out, so I can hop in my car and go over >> the border. Thanks. > >I wish I could hop in a car and go across the border to get the figures >I want. But I'd need a cruise liner or a plane to get over there. >Thats right, I don't think New Zealand will be getting these.. at least >not anywhere I know. >The figs I'm after are the Trouble Bubble with Viper, the Rage vehicle >and the Cobra Command set. > >Has anyone got any estimates on the price of the Trouble Bubble? As I'm >looking at buying several of these ...somehow. > >And if anyone can help me out with purchasing these things through >them... In case they don't get released down here, please let me know. > >-- >Enemy >CODENAME: Zartan > >"Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html > > ** MERK **......Deeds Speak!! kmerkley@usit.net "Just because you *can* say anything you want...doesn`t mean you should." --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n307.8 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: NO JOE Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:00:20 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710100121.SAA28066@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Kevin Merkley wrote: > Hi Rod & Our other Foreign Brothers, > > If Rod or any one else,has trouble getting stuff let me know. As a former > non-resident of the U.S. I know how tough it is to get stuff,and will happy > to do all I can. I`ve done mass orders from Cotswold for the guys on the > newsgroup and sent figures(140 of`em!) to 6 different countries in just one > order,So this shouldn`t be a problem......Just let me know.............MERK > Merk, very kind of you. Please add me to the list of people in need of a Joe connection. I'm up in Ottawa - a few too many hours to the border by car. BTW, what is the closest approximation for a release date - Anybody ?? Thanks, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n307.9 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: G.I. Joe: Order of Battle Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:27:00 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hopefully the questions below will generate some discussion as well as help me out. What if someone was to make a G.I. Joe internet strategy game? I am working on this. Originaly I planned to make a more rule based roleplaying game based on the one I am currently running, but I've stumbled onto a new idea in the process. I call it "Order of Battle" like the comic title. This si because of the strategy thats involved. It goes something along these lines. Two leaders.. of the opposing forces, Joe and Cobra, must lead their forces to victory. Both leaders have a limited amount of resources, these being equipment, weapons, vehicles etc. They also have a certain amount of bases and allies. They must use these wisely to emerge triumphant. That is the most basic summary I can give of the games idea. But other things that need or should be in the game include: Diplomacy Strategy Tactics Production Upgrades I have also developed a medal system based on the Battle Ribbons that were sold a few years ago. These medals allow the player to gain additions to production, upgrades, diplomacy and tactics. They allow more weapons, vehicles, grander schemes and so on. I have a friend giving me a hand with a vehicle and driver list. So that I know who drives what, and also get an idea of who can, and can't do certain things on the Joe and Cobra sides. I am also compiling a list of holdings that Cobra has throughout the world, and various GI Joe bases and allies. These will then be given set amounts of vehicles. So for example Broca Beach might have 6 Assault Helicopters, 12 HISS II tanks, 20 Stingers etc... I've got a very nice "graphical" page in the works for this... but there is a lot of info I need to either clarify, or just get from the knowledgeable folks on this list. Plus, I would like to hear from people interested in helping to develop this. Things I need to know. Below is a listing of the numerous cobra holdings around the world at present. I have info that I have found from my own comic collection, but I do not have all the comics.. for example I am missing a couple of issues from the 110 - 120 range, and I do not know what the outcome was regarding whether Cobra continued to hold control of the Emirate of Benzheen. I'd like approximate locations for those that are not given a location below, as well as any additional info. Cobra Holdings and World Bases Consulate Building, New York: Cobra's official New York embassy. Broca Beach, New Jersey: Springfield, somewhere: Plasmatox Refineries, Gulf of Mexico: Middle East Trucial Abysmia, Middle East: Benzheen, Middle East: 10% of worlds oil. Sierra Gordo: ? Eastern Europe Borigia: Using a puppet government controls the entire country. Many Oil fields. Transcarpathia: Cobra transconfigurable base the Silent Castle. Mountain range. Darklonia: Small town bordering between Wolkekuckuckland and Borigia. Under Cobra control. Frusenland: Weapons pack and Cobra advisory group. Terror Drome defense. **Note: Cobra Island is not listed as it was abandoned. When I get all that info, I can try to figure out how many units would be in each base. There would obviously be a lot in Frusenland, which to my knowledge still has a weapons pact with Cobra. If not please let me know.. this is the sort of info I need. So can someone help me with things such as divisions, battlions, platoons etc.. How many tanks or troops would you expect to find in them... etc... I'd like to keep it as close to real military as possible. So any of you out there in the armed forces able to help? And what about G.I. Joe? Other than the Pit, what other resources did they have available? I am regarding everything seen in the comic and most things released as a toy (not counting Cobra La related), as canon. Does anyone know whether the Cobra Assault Helicopter seen in the comics was ever given a name? Were there any other vehicles that showed up a lot and didn't receive toys. Other things that will be used in the game will be the GI Joe ranking system, the E1-E9 etc... No need for help here though, have this part sorted out. Plus I also want to include the upgrading of troops.. this is more or less a Cobra thing, such as Viper to SAW Viper. Air Viper to Strato Viper etc... This is also under control. How the game will be played is very much open to discussion, I have plans but I'd like to hear what others think. Please contact me if you'd like to be involved. Would very much appreciate help and enthusiastic people to work with. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- END gijoe.v001.n307 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:54:05 1998 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 05:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n308 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n308 -------------- 001 - IceSiege@aol.com - Re: NO JOE 002 - Eric Erpenbach - Thomas Wheeler's update 005 - Rod Hannah Yo Joe! : The G.I.Joe Archive Tell 'em Ice sent ya. If anyone has any other info, i would appreciate knowing it... **AHEM** Later ese'. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n308.2 --------------- From: Eric Erpenbach Subject: Re: NO JOE Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:46:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710101128.EAA09865@lists1.best.com> I've been watching the local Toys 'R Us in Rochester, Minnesota, and I have noticed that they have put all of the GIJoe Extreme stuff on clearance and have let the shelf space the Extreme stuff occupied vacant. So I am hoping that they will be filling that empty space with the re-release stuff sooner than December. Eric IceSiege@aol.com wrote: > I have heard rumor that the new 'Joe line is coming out around December as a > Toys R' Us exclusive. It will run through early '98, and if sales are good, > Hasbro is going to re-release other figures. > Most of the figs are going to be repainted, which really ticks me off! > Here is a site with some cool stuff. > Yo Joe! : The G.I.Joe Archive > Tell 'em Ice sent ya. > > If anyone has any other info, i would appreciate knowing it... > **AHEM** > Later ese'. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n308.3 --------------- From: KISSFANSCA@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n306 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Hi everyone! I'm still looking for a G.I. Joe convention in the Southern California area. If anyone hears of one, please let me know. My email is KISSFANSCA@aol.com. Email me if you want to talk about Joe too... Thanks.. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n308.4 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Thomas Wheeler's update Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:23:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710091234.FAA05652@lists1.best.com> Hey gang- Thomas Wheeler posted another update to alt.toys.gi-joe. Thought I'd repost it here. >From: gitrekker@aol.com (GI Trekker) >Newsgroups: alt.toys.gi-joe >Subject: NEW G.I.JOE 3 3/4" UPDATE! >Date: 10 Oct 1997 15:43:27 GMT >Lines: 47 > >I have just spoken with one of my Hasbro contacts, and would like to provide > some updated information concerning the 3 3/4" G.I.Joes for 1997, so you'll > all have a better idea of what to expect. > >For those of you who attended the convention in Philadelphia and were somewhat > dismayed by the quality of the product you might have seen, please be assured > that these were early test runs, and that changes and improvements are being > made. > >There is one very bad piece of news, in that two of the characters for the > "Stars & Stripes" set were ultimately assembled from other figures. The molds > simply could not be located and Hasbro was committed to turning out an > eight-figure set. Since this special collectors' set will have the lowest > production run of any of the products, it was all they could do, really. >Don't > worry, Scarlett and Snake-Eyes are as they should be. > >Expect to see some changes in the product along the way. To make the release > deadline of Christmas, Hasbro is having to market some products earlier than > they'd like to. This is NOT to create "variations", but to make sure product > arrives in the stores. I'm sure that some of the scalper-mentality collectors > will be picking up these variations and accusing Hasbro of trying to create a > variation/collector market. This is simply not true. > >Hasbro has had problems getting this line going again, there is no question. > Molds have been lost, production has been stalled in the Orient at times, > there have been miscommunications that have caused problems. Blame who and > what you will. The bottom line remains that they are committed to bring > G.I.Joe back in the 3 3/4" form. HOWEVER, this early product, flawed >though it > may be in some areas, is still better than never seeing the toys back, and > MUST SELL WELL if there is to me a future -- hopefully a better organized one > -- for the Real American Hero. > >I can confirm that a second assortment is being organized even at this time. I > cannot reveal any details except that its intended release date is Labor Day > 1998. I know that sounds like a long time to wait, but Hasbro wants to make > sure that they don't make the same mistakes that have plagued this initial > assortment. Suffice to say that the assortments planned sound VERY >impressive, > and will result in a superb second assortment. But I must stress again that > the FIRST assortment must sell, in this particular Hasbro exec's own words, > "lightning fast and very, very, very well" for the line to continue. And for > those of you who are into such things, the early product that you buy does > stand a chance of being more valuable on the "secondary market" simply >because > of subsequent changes and improvements. > >I realize some of this sounds grim, and some of it may be. But better a few > missteps along the way than to never see the Real American Hero again. > Questions and comments via e-mail welcome. YO JOE! eson@mail.com ------------------------------------------------------------ | YO JOE! : | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers | | you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n308.5 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Army stuff Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:56:44 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can some one help me with this? How many troops/tanks/vehicles approx in a Company Platoon Division Regiment Thanks. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n308.6 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: NO JOE Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Oooooooooh, I can't wait. I really want to get the Lady Jaye. I'll make custom figs from a lot of the toys I get. I'm going to try to get at least 2 of each set. Only one of Stars and Stripes since it's gonna be $18.99 or something. Well, I hope most of them aren't going to be gone or something, because of collectors who will go and sell each set for around $30. That would truly suck. Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n308.7 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Army stuff Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:03:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710110055.RAA06010@lists1.best.com> On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Rod Hannah wrote: > Can some one help me with this? > > How many troops/tanks/vehicles approx in a > > Company > Platoon > Division > Regiment How many tanks or other vehicles depends on the type of unit it is (cavalry, armor, infantry, artillery, medical, engineer, etc.). You also have a rather odd collection of formations there. Here's a brief description of the different types of formations, from someone a lot more knowledgable than me. I am looking for the personnel numbers.: ----FORWARDED MESSAGE---- Yes, there are a few differences between British and US organization. Below platoon level, the type of unit and the mission might mean organization by squad, team, or section. In all branches, the lowest level commanded by an officer (usually a 2nd Lieutenant) is the platoon. Infantry Cavalry Artillery Commanded by: Fire Team Track Section Sgt/Staff Sgt Platoon Platoon Platoon Lieutenant Company Troop Battery Captain Battalion Squadron Battalion Lt Colonel Above the Battalion/Squadron level, there are two different methods of organization. The regiments (currently only two cavalry regiments and one Ranger regiment, AFAIK; a lot has changed since I left active duty in '89!) are commanded by a Colonel and are self-contained, with fire support assets, medical, transportation, and maintenance all organic. Some specialized units such as chemical and engineer support may be attached from other units. The brigades (despite the name) are also commanded by a Colonel and are generally three battalions (two armor/one infantry or vice versa). They have no organic support except the mortar platoons belonging to each battalion. I believe they depend on their Division for support. The Divisions (commanded by Major Generals) are made up from brigades (various mixes depending upon mission), and the Corps (commanded by Lieutenant Generals) are made up of divisions. Armies (commanded by Generals) are comprised of corps. In the past few years, the Army has tried to configure various units for specific perceived needs, so there is much more variation today than 10 years ago. When I served in the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment, there were two other identical regiments (2nd & 3rd), but today the 11th is decommissioned, the 3rd is "Heavy Cav", and the 2nd is "Light Cav" (no tanks!). --------------- END gijoe.v001.n308 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:54:13 1998 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n309 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n309 -------------- 001 - Mark & Debbie Brockman - New Joe Release 006 - "zero" - 007 - joe1635@juno.com (Joe M G - Green Troopers 008 - IceSiege@aol.com - Joe Comics G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.1 --------------- From: Mark & Debbie Brockman Subject: Joe videos Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:20:02 -0400 Found the following three pack of GI Joe cartoons today at TRU for only $9.99. The videos included were: Chunnel Infested Island Eldorado: The Lost City of Gold --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.2 --------------- From: IceSiege@aol.com Subject: RE: Joe Videos Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) They have had those Videos at Toys R Us for quite a while. I have had them for about 3 Months now. I bought mine in July. Maybe June. Anyhoo, the new Joe ReRelease is set to come out within the next few days here in good old NC. I talked to Toys R Us, and they said the new Joe line would be available this week. Also, I have found somewhere where I can get almost any Joe Comic for 50Cents a piece. I am going to order them soon... Anyone who would like the company's name, jus tell me. P.S., If anyone can obtain and/or send me a copy of the rerelease of the GIJoe Movie that was rereleased in Canada(?) during June-July, please tell me. Thanks, till our next mission, Yo Joe! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.3 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: a traitor Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:54:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I went to a local antique show today. I found a lota joes real cheap, also found some vichels. Well anyway of all the joes I got I could identify all but one. I knew it was a joe cause he had a cobra emblem on his chest. I used eugene's page to identify him. Here's wherethe traitor part comes in. what I got was a Cobra Comander(v4) with a hawk(V2) head. So thats who C.C. is/was????....explains alot Till Next time Cyric Hywind Code Name: Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth shall we find ourselves. -- http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.4 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: a traitor Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 03:54:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I went to a local antique show today. I found a lota joes real cheap, also found some vichels. Well anyway of all the joes I got I could identify all but one. I knew it was a joe cause he had a cobra emblem on his chest. I used eugene's page to identify him. Here's wherethe traitor part comes in. what I got was a Cobra Comander(v4) with a hawk(V2) head. So thats who C.C. is/was????....explains alot Till Next time Cyric Hywind Code Name: Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth shall we find ourselves. -- http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.5 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: New Joe Release Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:36:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710112334.QAA19363@lists1.best.com> At 7:34 PM -0400 10/11/97, IceSiege@aol.com wrote: >Anyhoo, the new Joe ReRelease is set to come out within the next few days >here in good old NC. >I talked to Toys R Us, and they said the new Joe line would be available this >week. If the TRU you talked to knew what they were talking about, the Joe toys'll hit the TRU stores on the west coast sooner (since they're being shipped from Hong Kong). I guess I'll start hitting the TRU more often now. Courtesy of Thomas Wheeler and My808State, here're the product numbers for the Joe toys. 569712 3-packs/Figure-Vehicle packs 569860 Cobra Rage 569976 Slugger Tank 590010 Stars And Stripes >P.S., >If anyone can obtain and/or send me a copy of the rerelease of the GIJoe >Movie that was rereleased in Canada(?) during June-July, please tell me. >Thanks, till our next mission, Yo Joe! Someone was able to special order it from Barnes&Noble - my local Blockbuster video was willing to special order it for me for $19.99. -Eugene PLEASE NOTE THE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- My old account will be shut down in a few weeks - please note the change. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.6 --------------- From: "zero" Subject: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:49:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remove zero zero@mlode.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.7 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Green Troopers Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:50:26 EDT When I first got my Breaker figure, I couldn't tell it was Breaker. I had never seen one, and in a few weeks I found out who it was. But at first, I assumed it was one of the green troopers seen in the orignial GI Joe cartoons. So it brings me to a point. Can anyone give me any info on those troops? All I know is that they ran around a lot. Joe CODE NAME: Overdrive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.8 --------------- From: IceSiege@aol.com Subject: Joe Comics Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Many people have asked me, so here goes: The Joe Comics are sold for 50 Cents at a little place, well, a big place, in New Jersey. I don't have the exact address right now, but most Marvel comics have East Coast ads in them...I will post it in a few. But for now, I guess I have to order for mine. Don't want all you Cobras stealing the good issues, eh? --------------- END gijoe.v001.n309 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:54:22 1998 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n310 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n310 -------------- 001 - Joe Tillman Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n309 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:44:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710122322.QAA04911@lists1.best.com> How do I post a message on here? gijoe-errors@lists.best.com wrote: > -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n309 -------------- > > 001 - Mark & Debbie Brockman 002 - IceSiege@aol.com - RE: Joe Videos > 003 - Cyric Hywind 004 - Cyric Hywind 005 - Eugene - New Joe Release > 006 - "zero" - > 007 - joe1635@juno.com (Joe M G - Green Troopers > 008 - IceSiege@aol.com - Joe Comics > > G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.1 --------------- > > From: Mark & Debbie Brockman > Subject: Joe videos > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:20:02 -0400 > > Found the following three pack of GI Joe cartoons today at TRU for only $9.99. The videos included were: > > Chunnel > Infested Island > Eldorado: The Lost City of Gold > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.2 --------------- > > From: IceSiege@aol.com > Subject: RE: Joe Videos > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > > They have had those Videos at Toys R Us for quite a while. > I have had them for about 3 Months now. I bought mine in July. > Maybe June. > Anyhoo, the new Joe ReRelease is set to come out within the next few days > here in good old NC. > I talked to Toys R Us, and they said the new Joe line would be available this > week. > Also, I have found somewhere where I can get almost any Joe Comic for 50Cents > a piece. I am going to order them soon... > Anyone who would like the company's name, jus tell me. > > P.S., > If anyone can obtain and/or send me a copy of the rerelease of the GIJoe > Movie that was rereleased in Canada(?) during June-July, please tell me. > Thanks, till our next mission, Yo Joe! > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.3 --------------- > > From: Cyric Hywind > Subject: a traitor > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:54:05 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I went to a local antique show today. I found a lota joes real cheap, also > found some vichels. Well anyway of all the joes I got I could identify all > but one. I knew it was a joe cause he had a cobra emblem on his chest. I > used eugene's page to identify him. Here's wherethe traitor part comes in. > what I got was a Cobra Comander(v4) with a hawk(V2) head. > > So thats who C.C. is/was????....explains alot > > Till Next time > Cyric Hywind > Code Name: Black Shadow > > -- > For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth shall we find > ourselves. > -- > http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.4 --------------- > > From: Cyric Hywind > Subject: a traitor > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 03:54:05 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I went to a local antique show today. I found a lota joes real cheap, also > found some vichels. Well anyway of all the joes I got I could identify all > but one. I knew it was a joe cause he had a cobra emblem on his chest. I > used eugene's page to identify him. Here's wherethe traitor part comes in. > what I got was a Cobra Comander(v4) with a hawk(V2) head. > > So thats who C.C. is/was????....explains alot > > Till Next time > Cyric Hywind > Code Name: Black Shadow > > -- > For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth shall we find > ourselves. > -- > http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.5 --------------- > > From: Eugene > Subject: New Joe Release > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:36:22 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > In-Reply-To: <199710112334.QAA19363@lists1.best.com> > > At 7:34 PM -0400 10/11/97, IceSiege@aol.com wrote: > > >Anyhoo, the new Joe ReRelease is set to come out within the next few days > >here in good old NC. > >I talked to Toys R Us, and they said the new Joe line would be available this > >week. > > If the TRU you talked to knew what they were talking about, the Joe toys'll > hit the TRU stores on the west coast sooner (since they're being shipped > from Hong Kong). I guess I'll start hitting the TRU more often now. > > Courtesy of Thomas Wheeler and My808State, here're the product numbers for > the Joe toys. > > 569712 3-packs/Figure-Vehicle packs > 569860 Cobra Rage > 569976 Slugger Tank > 590010 Stars And Stripes > > >P.S., > >If anyone can obtain and/or send me a copy of the rerelease of the GIJoe > >Movie that was rereleased in Canada(?) during June-July, please tell me. > >Thanks, till our next mission, Yo Joe! > > Someone was able to special order it from Barnes&Noble - my local > Blockbuster video was willing to special order it for me for $19.99. > > -Eugene > > PLEASE NOTE THE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: eson@mail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------- > My old account will be shut down in a few weeks - > please note the change. Thanks! > --------------------------------------------------------- > Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.6 --------------- > > From: "zero" > Subject: > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:49:32 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Remove > > zero > > zero@mlode.com > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.7 --------------- > > From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) > Subject: Green Troopers > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:50:26 EDT > > When I first got my Breaker figure, I couldn't tell it was Breaker. I > had never seen one, and in a few weeks I found out who it was. But at > first, I assumed it was one of the green troopers seen in the orignial GI > Joe cartoons. So it brings me to a point. Can anyone give me any info > on those troops? All I know is that they ran around a lot. > > Joe > CODE NAME: Overdrive > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n309.8 --------------- > > From: IceSiege@aol.com > Subject: Joe Comics > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:22:24 -0400 (EDT) > > Many people have asked me, so here goes: > The Joe Comics are sold for 50 Cents at a little place, well, a big place, in > New Jersey. I don't have the exact address right now, but most Marvel comics > have East Coast ads in them...I will post it in a few. But for now, I guess I > have to order for mine. Don't want all you Cobras stealing the good issues, > eh? > > --------------- END gijoe.v001.n309 --------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n310.2 --------------- From: Dan Carber Subject: Re: Joe Comics Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:23:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710122322.QAA04893@lists1.best.com> >The Joe Comics are sold for 50 Cents at a little place, well, a big place, in >New Jersey. I don't have the exact address right now, but most Marvel comics Let me guess....is this place called "Beachcomber"? If so, just keep in mind that they are not the most honest store to do business with. I happen to know from personal experience. Just screen each item you buy there (I know they sell old toys, maybe even Joes by now) And, if you are talking about Beachcomber, then the two of us should get together for some in person trading, because I'm from that area, and my parents still live there. dan dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n310.3 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n309 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:56:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710122344.QAA12358@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Joe Tillman wrote: > How do I post a message on here? You just did. Simply send your message to gijoe@lists.v001.n309, and it will be sent out over the List and be added onto the Digest. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n310.4 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n309 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:28:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:56 PM 10/12/97 -0700, you wrote: > >On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Joe Tillman wrote: > >> How do I post a message on here? > >You just did. Simply send your message to gijoe@lists.v001.n309, and it >will be sent out over the List and be added onto the Digest. > >Adam Bernay >CODE NAME: Maccabee gijoe@lists.v001.n309? Probably not bad advice *grin* but it's incorrect. The posting address is gijoe@lists.best.com. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n310.5 --------------- From: Harrison Yee Subject: Joe Art Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:00:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCD7CF.8A5A3120" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCD7CF.8A5A3120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Does anyone know a good source for the artwork found on the GI Joe = figure card art? I have a few from a GI Joe trading card set and I've always thought the = the artwork was fabulous. I would very interested to find out if such = things exists and are readily available. Thanks. 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Stinson wrote: > gijoe@lists.v001.n309? Probably not bad advice *grin* but it's > incorrect. The posting address is gijoe@lists.best.com. This is what I get for helping people when I'm tired! Mixed up two different lines! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n310.7 --------------- From: Ttillery1@aol.com Subject: Joe Comics Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Hi everyone. I am trying to complete my collection of Joe comics. These are the issues that I need. I don't care if they are reprints, all that I do ask is that the books are in Excellent or better condition. Please E-mail me with lists and prices. Thanks. Todd Ttillery@sprintmail.com or ttillery1@aol.com GI Joe 1, 2, 3, 3, 6, 8, 10, 11,13, 14, 51, 53, 54, 58, 59, 63, 64, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 114, 115, 119, 120, 121, 122, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 1351 146, Special 1 GI Joe European Missions 1-15 GI Joe Special Missions 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28 --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n310.8 --------------- From: IceSiege@aol.com Subject: Not Beachcomber Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Naa, it's not beachcomber. And i'm not from NJ, whoever asked. ANyhoo it's a place called East Coast Comics, and has alot of good deals. Be Seein Ya. --------------- END gijoe.v001.n310 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:54:29 1998 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n311 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n311 -------------- 001 - TreyVC@aol.com - HUGE GIJOE ACTION FIGURE AUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 002 - TreyVC@aol.com - LOTS OF COMICS TO SELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 003 - cedwards@tcia.net (Christ - Special Missions Impossible 004 - Eric Erpenbach Subject: Commets on Thomas Wheeler's posting Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:34:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey troopers, I have re-read Eugene's re-posting of Thomas Wheelers posting(From Friday) and can say that there are a number of things that excite me and bother me in that posting. The first thing that I am glad to here is that this re-release is most likely going to include a second release next year. I am also glad to hear that Hasbro will be making some of the sets earlier(I can't wait until X-mas). To hear that they are going to the old molds was also reassuring to hear. Now to the things that bother me about Thomas Wheeler's posting. > and will result in a superb second assortment. But I must stress again that > the FIRST assortment must sell, in this particular Hasbro exec's own words, > "lightning fast and very, very, very well" for the line to continue. And for What I don't like about this is that it sounds very much like Hasbro is just out to make the quick buck. Now I now making a profit is what Hasbro is in the toy business for, but with statements like this, I wonder how much they want to continue the product line and nurture and build their customer base . For those of you who collected way back in 1982 when the first Joes came out, what was it that attracted you to GIJoe??? For me it was the detail in the characters and the realism of the vehicles. Remember the original VAMP with the cannon with the barrels that would move back and forth as you moved the plastic slide piece on the side? It was detail like that which I was attracted to. I may not have known it at the time, since I was only 7 years old, but I get the feeling as I think back that GIJoe was not some kiddy toy. Hasbro continued with the detail in their figures and vehicles until about 1992. Around then I found to believe that GIJoe was the same toy that I had so dearly played with and collected. The detail was gone and Hasbro resorted to the producing vehicles and figures with bright florescent colors. I mean, what soldier in his right mind is going to go into battle dressed in Blaze Orange? When was the last time you saw a bright florescent blue tank in battle. It was around this time that Hasbro started with some wild spin-offs which were failed from the start. The Eco-Warriors, Cobra-La, Mega-Marines and the Drug Force were the dumbest additions to GI Joe. I feel that Hasbro was trying to appeal to a younger customer when they released these sets. And in doing so, they passed on the detail and "true" colors which made their toy one of the most popular toys in the 80's. What I am trying to say here is that I a disappointed that Hasbro is more interested in making a quick buck. History is repeating itself as Hasbro is not truly interested in its product's customer. I am glad to see that Hasbro is bring back some of the figures that made GI Joe the best toy on this planet. I am just afraid that Hasbro will make the same mistakes as I know these Joes are going to be hot. Hasbro will end up producing stupid spin-offs that have no right to be associated with a Real American Hero. A bigger fear is that Hasbro will not be able to bleed our wallets dry to the extent of their liking and they will decide not to make a 2nd or 3rd re-release. Ok, I'm on a griping trip now. I'm sorry for those of you who have read it this far, but I have a lot of frustration built up since Hasbro canceled the GI Joe line. My first question is why? Why would Hasbro change its marketing strategy and product line? Like I said before, I think Hasbro was trying to appeal to the 3-5 age group. But Why??? My second question is what happened with the Comic??? There was a time when GI Joe was out-selling the X-men. GI Joe had one of the best story-lines and then it went out the window. I don't understand how Marvel/Hasbro could have run out of story ideas. I mean, with over 200 different characters between GI Joe and Cobra, it should have been a piece of cake to expand these characters. At least the cartoon held on to staying respectable. It was only until the last cartoons that I was turned off and felt that I was watching a cartoon designed for 5-7 year olds as Cobra Commander and Destro where a bunch of bumbling idiots. I think the cartoon was just unable to carry the load of maintaining the image of the Real American Hero alone. I don't know what lead to the demise of the first release of GI Joe. I would enjoy hearing what others have to say or think. Your comments please. Eric CODE NAME: Swamp Fox --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n311.5 --------------- From: Eric Erpenbach Subject: Comments on Thomas Wheeler's posting Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:07:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey troopers, I have re-read Eugene's re-posting of Thomas Wheelers posting(From Friday) and can say that there are a number of things that excite me and bother me in that posting. The first thing that I am glad to here is that this re-release is most likely going to include a second release next year. I am also glad to hear that Hasbro will be making some of the sets earlier(I can't wait until X-mas). To hear that they are going to the old molds was also reassuring to hear. Now to the things that bother me about Thomas Wheeler's posting. > and will result in a superb second assortment. But I must stress again that > the FIRST assortment must sell, in this particular Hasbro exec's own words, > "lightning fast and very, very, very well" for the line to continue. And for What I don't like about this is that it sounds very much like Hasbro is just out to make the quick buck. Now I now making a profit is what Hasbro is in the toy business for, but with statements like this, I wonder how much they want to continue the product line and nurture and build their customer base . For those of you who collected way back in 1982 when the first Joes came out, what was it that attracted you to GIJoe??? For me it was the detail in the characters and the realism of the vehicles. Remember the original VAMP with the cannon with the barrels that would move back and forth as you moved the plastic slide piece on the side? It was detail like that which I was attracted to. I may not have known it at the time, since I was only 7 years old, but I get the feeling as I think back that GIJoe was not some kiddy toy. Hasbro continued with the detail in their figures and vehicles until about 1992. Around then I found to believe that GIJoe was the same toy that I had so dearly played with and collected. The detail was gone and Hasbro resorted to the producing vehicles and figures with bright florescent colors. I mean, what soldier in his right mind is going to go into battle dressed in Blaze Orange? When was the last time you saw a bright florescent blue tank in battle. It was around this time that Hasbro started with some wild spin-offs which were failed from the start. The Eco-Warriors, Cobra-La, Mega-Marines and the Drug Force were the dumbest additions to GI Joe. I feel that Hasbro was trying to appeal to a younger customer when they released these sets. And in doing so, they passed on the detail and "true" colors which made their toy one of the most popular toys in the 80's. What I am trying to say here is that I a disappointed that Hasbro is more interested in making a quick buck. History is repeating itself as Hasbro is not truly interested in its product's customer. I am glad to see that Hasbro is bring back some of the figures that made GI Joe the best toy on this planet. I am just afraid that Hasbro will make the same mistakes as I know these Joes are going to be hot. Hasbro will end up producing stupid spin-offs that have no right to be associated with a Real American Hero. A bigger fear is that Hasbro will not be able to bleed our wallets dry to the extent of their liking and they will decide not to make a 2nd or 3rd re-release. Ok, I'm on a griping trip now. I'm sorry for those of you who have read it this far, but I have a lot of frustration built up since Hasbro canceled the GI Joe line. My first question is why? Why would Hasbro change its marketing strategy and product line? Like I said before, I think Hasbro was trying to appeal to the 3-5 age group. But Why??? My second question is what happened with the Comic??? There was a time when GI Joe was out-selling the X-men. GI Joe had one of the best story-lines and then it went out the window. I don't understand how Marvel/Hasbro could have run out of story ideas. I mean, with over 200 different characters between GI Joe and Cobra, it should have been a piece of cake to expand these characters. At least the cartoon held on to staying respectable. It was only until the last cartoons that I was turned off and felt that I was watching a cartoon designed for 5-7 year olds as Cobra Commander and Destro where a bunch of bumbling idiots. I think the cartoon was just unable to carry the load of maintaining the image of the Real American Hero alone. I don't know what lead to the demise of the first release of GI Joe. I would enjoy hearing what others have to say or think. Your comments please. Eric CODE NAME: Swamp Fox --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n311.6 --------------- From: "Danny" Subject: comics Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:16:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey people! How does one tell if a comic is an original or if it is a reprint? I don't have too many and see them out for sale every once and awile. thanks, danny b. --------------- END gijoe.v001.n311 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:54:33 1998 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n312 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n312 -------------- 001 - Eugene - Re: Special Missions Impossible 002 - Eugene - Re: Green Troopers 003 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: Commets on Thomas Wheeler's posting 004 - "Peter Ljungman" Subject: Re: Special Missions Impossible Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:39:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710141504.IAA04123@lists1.best.com> At 11:03 AM -0700 10/14/97, Christopher Edwards wrote: >I'm wondering if anybody can help me out-I'm one issue shy of having the >entire US run of Joe comics-the one issue I need is the Special Missions in >which the original Oktober Guard are killed off. I'm not asking to buy or >trade for it here. I'm just wondering why it's so hard to find. I've been >to comics shops, collectible shows, etc. It's not to be found! Can anybody >shed some light-why is this thing so scarce? I don't think it's scarce - not anymore scarce than any other G.I.Joe comic. Joe comics are just hard to find, because there's like zero demand for them. I wouldn't worry - I saw a stack of them at the San Diego comic con last summer for 25 cents a piece. That one last comic ALWAYS seems scarce when you're looking for it. I feel that way about G.I.Joe #155. :) -Eugen PLEASE NOTE THE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- My old account will be shut down in a few weeks - please note the change. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n312.2 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Green Troopers Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:39:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710121750.KAA10408@lists1.best.com> At 1:50 PM -0400 10/12/97, Joe M Gallagher wrote: >When I first got my Breaker figure, I couldn't tell it was Breaker. I >had never seen one, and in a few weeks I found out who it was. But at >first, I assumed it was one of the green troopers seen in the orignial GI >Joe cartoons. So it brings me to a point. Can anyone give me any info >on those troops? All I know is that they ran around a lot. I think they were just generic "soldiers". The Sunbow/Marvel cartoon wanted to make things seem more impressive by having LOTS of soldiers. The comic book stayed more true to the spirit of G.I.Joe being a team of specialists. -Eugene PLEASE NOTE THE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- My old account will be shut down in a few weeks - please note the change. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n312.3 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: Commets on Thomas Wheeler's posting Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:53:45 -0400 (EDT) >At least the cartoon held on to staying respectable. It was only until >the last cartoons that I was turned off and felt that I was watching a >cartoon designed for 5-7 year olds as Cobra Commander and Destro where a >bunch of bumbling idiots. I think the cartoon was just unable to carry >the load of maintaining the image of the Real American Hero alone. I too didn't like some Joe cartoons because they were for little kids. I got that GI Joe video 3-pack and I was a little dissapointed. On "Chunnel", C.C. hits his head or something and it shows star or birds flying around his head. I can't remember which at the moment. And Major Bludd is really stupid on it. Also, on "Eldorado: The Lost City of Gold", they fight a ghost who took over a toxo-viper or something. What kind of military would fight a ghost? On "Infested Island" they battle huge, flying bugs. So, they aren't exactly how I thought they would be when I was excited when I found them. Anyways, Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n312.4 --------------- From: "Peter Ljungman" Subject: Re: G.I. Joe: Order of Battle Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:06:33 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Hi! I would very much like to help you with the development of the "GI Joe: Order of Battle" strategy game. I do not know on what basis I can send E-mails, or what kind of help I can provide, but if you contact me we can discuss it further. Good luck with the game! Regards, Peter Ljungman Sweden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n312.5 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Comments on Thomas Wheeler's posting Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:38:37 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think there is much need to worry. It sounds to me like the re-releases are going to have to do very, very well, in order for Hasbro to consider doing more. And while I may be wrong I beleived they were actually consulting GI Joe fans and collectors such as Tom about what should be in these re-releases. What about the great survey Corey did? I thought that was sent off to Hasbro as well. 500 people filled it out, that means it can not be ignored. And the results were clear, people wanted the Joes back down to earth and they wanted more realism. If the re-releases did succeed in launching a new line, which is in my opinion a 50/50 chance, then I'm sure we would get some more "back to basics" figures released. Flourescent colors? No, I don't think so. As for the comic, yes it was once a very big seller, but over the years, various failings and a slow decline in interest over the cartoons, and toys no doubt had an effect on it. Remember it *had* to follow roughly along the lines of the toy releases, it had to include Serpentor and later did a good job of turning what could have been a terrible situation into an okay one. I felt the last few issues were excellent, issues 146 to 151. They brought Cobra back to basics, whihc lets face it, was the biggest problem the comic had... all the star force, mega monster etc... It brought back the old team, and it really, really had me excited. But it was cancelled, due to both poor sales and the death of the toy line. As for the cartoon, it was just a kiddies thing. I guess under DIC animation it got even worse. But it never took itself seriously, and was very, very different from the comic. And speaking of green troopers, I agree with Eugene, and am glad they were not in the comics. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n312.6 --------------- From: Michele or Gabe Riggle Subject: Joe Comics wanted Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:14:00 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am searching for comics anywhere between 145-155. Those in my opinion, sounded awesome from what I heard. I cannot pay over a dollar fiftey per comic and I would really like to deal with people from this list. I would appreciate any help in aquiring these. I'm looking for ones that at least have the cover on them but would prefer ones in nrmt. Thanks! Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n312.7 --------------- From: "Mike Nonsense!" Subject: Parts Needed! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:25:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710152216.PAA16511@lists1.best.com> I need the body of a Black Cobra Cmdr. sans the head for a custom of Cyan Garamonde from Final Fantasy III. :) Thankee in advancee, MiKeY LeAl --------------- END gijoe.v001.n312 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:54:37 1998 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n313 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n313 -------------- 001 - Pawsha@aol.com - New Joes 002 - Eugene - Re: New Joes 003 - Rod Hannah - Re: Refresh my memory... 013 - johne - Re: Cobra Commander 014 - Hyperion - RUMOR CONTROL (was Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!) 028 - Strmshdw99@aol.com - Re: number 155 029 - Ed + Marlene Dam Subject: Re: New Joes Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:12:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710160621.XAA18789@lists1.best.com> At 2:21 AM -0400 10/16/97, Pawsha@aol.com wrote: > I went to a Toy 'R' Us a couple of days ago and I asked an employee when the >new Joes were coming out and he said he has no idea, and he's the head of the >department! So, today I called and asked about them and they said the didn't >have them and he didn't really know either, except he seemed like he kinda >knew they were coming out. So, I'm hoping. And The GIJoe Extreme are still on >the shelves so it doesn't seem like they are getting ready for them. Anyways, What part of the country are you located in? I ask because the figures are coming from Hong Kong - which means that they'll hit the West Coast first. Likely the big markets - L.A., Seattle, and San Francisco first - then move eastward. I checked with the TRU yesterday - the three-packs are not at the San Diego Toys R Us distribution center yet. I spoke to a couple of the competent, friendly employees (not the evil ones - I've learned to avoid them) and they knew about them but only knew what I knew - sometime between now and Christmas. There's a website out there that claims that they're out already. I wouldn't put too much faith in the rumors just yet. Let's wait til we have confirmation. Anyone on the list in Seattle, L.A., or San Francisco - let us know if you find them! -Eugene PLEASE NOTE THE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- My old account will be shut down in a few weeks - please note the change. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.3 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Action force Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:14:12 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone give me a hand with something. I need someone to do a little research for me. If you have all the Action Force comics, or most of them then you can help. Remember how they did large peices of info on different characters/troops/vehicles and so on. Like in issue 14 (my only Action Force comic), they covered the Hydro Viper and the W.H.A.L.E hovercraft. I appreciate all help. No, actually I'd be very grateful for any and all help. :) -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.4 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: re-release thoughts Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:13:50 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This talk recently about the re-releases has made me think a little bit about the whole business and so on. And while I was looking through my Joe filecards earlier I noticed the Cobra Python Patrol filecard and its pic. It reminded me of how annoying it was that all the figures made of the Cobra officers had those cheap "turn side ways" only necks. I guess the other figures from the early two series were like this. *Note I didn't start getting the figures till much later and I most definetely have a few things to learn about them* Anyhow, it did bug me that the earlier figures were less realistic looking, *not as well designed* as the later ones. Of course this came with time. But they never actually released any improved versions of Cobra officers or Crimson Guards and the like. I know that Cobra officers gradually faded out and were replaced with Vipers and Tele-Vipers but I still wish they had done an improved version. This got me thinking some more. What would be peoples reaction if Hasbro started the Joe toyline, with new molds but the same design costumes, but from day one? I think I kind of want a continuation from where we left in terms of storyline (comic canon here), but I don't think I'd complain if it was rebooted. Why? Well in terms of storyline in the comics this would be a bit of a bummer. but in terms of the toys it would be quite good. All the mega monster rubbish, alien warrior drivvle, and other more outlandish toys could be done away with. Things could travel along the basic plotline of what we saw before, but avoiding the sloppy mess of Star Force and other weirdness. We could have a nice fully posable Cobra Officer, a better looking Destro, with smaller head than that big bloated thing that looks like Kryten from "Red Dwarf." Or how about just keeping the storyline of the comic, but releasing a collectors addition of new molded figures based on the original designs, but not so *dorky*. *dorky = don't mean this in a mean "they suck way".. just they looked a little goofy.* Well, those were my thoughts that I thought I'd share. We can at least dream about it. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.5 --------------- From: VideoFippo@aol.com Subject: Re: Commets on Thomas Wheeler's posting Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:51:22 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-14 13:49:08 EDT, you write: << My first question is why? Why would Hasbro change its marketing strategy and product line? Like I said before, I think Hasbro was trying to appeal to the 3-5 age group. But Why???>> I think the reason Hasbro decided to switch marketing strategies is because the original market base is grown up by now. When my friends and I idle about in conversation and begin to talk about being little (usually sparked by an overload of homework. 'man, i wish i was 5, then i wouldn't have to take that chem test!') and the subject turns to Joe, everyone agrees that they were cool to play with. WERE cool. Not every kid grew up to be a collector. When I mention that I still like to goof around with my Joes, my friends look at me like I was some sort of reject. When the market base grew older, they were less inclined to buy Joes. So, Hasbro had to recruit new customers to Joe. Remember, a bright color will catch a kid's eye sooner than lifelike detail. You also have to remember the kind of toys Joe had to compete with. A lot of them were brightly colored and super-flashy. So, Hasbro had to fight fire with fire. Just my take on things, C. Rice --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.6 --------------- From: RTGOAT@aol.com Subject: Cobra Commander Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Yo Joe! Hey I have a quick question........ Could anyone tell me which G.I. Joe comics has a lot of Cobra Commander in it? (I am a BIG CC fan) . Also; I live in Rhode Island, Land of Joes! I'm going to take a ride up to Hasbro to see what info I can get on the re-release. I think Hasbro could still make the Joe Figs even if they don't do good, because they just got the license of the Star Wars Prequil Movies! Thanx for the info. Nemesis Enforcer or ya can call me RTGOAT@aol.com. P.S. Does anyone have the G.I. Joe movie theme they could upload to me? Thanks again --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.7 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: Re: New Joes Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:21:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:21 AM 10/16/97 -0400, you wrote: > I went to a Toy 'R' Us a couple of days ago and I asked an employee when the >new Joes were coming out and he said he has no idea, and he's the head of the >department! So, today I called and asked about them and they said the didn't >have them and he didn't really know either, except he seemed like he kinda >knew they were coming out. So, I'm hoping. And The GIJoe Extreme are still on >the shelves so it doesn't seem like they are getting ready for them. Anyways, > > Josh Scott > Pawsha@aol.com I spoke to a department manager stocking some stuff in the Action Figure aisle at my local TRU. I asked him about the re-introduction Joe stuff. He knew about it, but only because of what he'd seen in the toy press. He mentioned that he was looking forward to the items too and we chatted a bit about the older Joe stuff. He said that he had no dates on the re-release items and that no word has been passed down yet through the "TRU ranks." My guess is that the rumor going around about the items already being released is just that, a rumor. Don't let me stop you from hitting your local TRU daily though! -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.8 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: Re: re-release thoughts Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:35:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >What would be peoples reaction if Hasbro started the Joe toyline, with >new molds but the same design costumes, but from day one? I think I >kind of want a continuation from where we left in terms of storyline >(comic canon here), but I don't think I'd complain if it was rebooted. Interesting thoughts Rod! I think GI Joe collectors would be interested in seeing the older characters re-tooled in either the same uniforms/outfits or new uniforms. I back that up with the results of the Newsletter HQ survey where collectors were very interested in the old characters and the 80s Joe concept but were not very interested at all in straight repaints. >Well in terms of storyline in the comics this would be a bit of a >bummer. but in terms of the toys it would be quite good. All the mega >monster rubbish, alien warrior drivvle, and other more outlandish toys >could be done away with. Things could travel along the basic plotline >of what we saw before, but avoiding the sloppy mess of Star Force and >other weirdness. Agreed. Joe is better off without these unrealistic off-shoots (my opinion). As a note: a lot of collectors thought so too on the Newsletter HQ survey. >We could have a nice fully posable Cobra Officer, a better looking >Destro, with smaller head than that big bloated thing that looks like >Kryten from "Red Dwarf." The old figures are all classics so retooling them is a touchy subject. For example, the 1992 version of Destro is not nearly as good as the 1983 version. 9 years of experience producing GI Joe did not see Hasbro out of that mistake. But for example, I'd love to see a retooled Cobra Officer, same stark uniform, with full articulation and perhaps a bit more muscular and dangerous looking and with more accessories. No POTF2 He-Man buff figures mind you! >Or how about just keeping the storyline of the comic, but releasing a >collectors addition of new molded figures based on the original designs, >but not so *dorky*. The first couple of re-introduction assortments, among other things, will be testing whether or not us 3 3/4" Joe collectors are a viable target market for special items. If we turn out to be, more of these toys that we want are likely to be produced. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.9 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Commets on Thomas Wheeler's posting Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:43:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:51 AM 10/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >Not every kid grew up to be a collector. When I >mention that I still like to goof around with my Joes, my friends look at me >like I was some sort of reject. When the market base grew older, they were >less inclined to buy Joes. So, Hasbro had to recruit new customers to Joe. >Remember, a bright color will catch a kid's eye sooner than lifelike detail. >You also have to remember the kind of toys Joe had to compete with. A lot of >them were brightly colored and super-flashy. So, Hasbro had to fight fire >with fire. I agree with this and disagree. Your point about what Hasbro attempted to do is right on the money, and your reasoning why is also correct. However, I don't think it worked for Hasbro. I think the competetive value of GI Joe was always its realism and attention to detail vs. a lot of the other fodder that has always been out there. You'll notice that it only took a few short years after some of the gimmicky, bizzare, overly-neon, and often cheap stuff was released before the Joe line took a nosedive into cancellation. Hasbro forgot what GI Joe was about and they did this because they got too involved in what other toy companies were doing rather than focusing on keeping creativity, originality, quality, realism, and detail in GI Joe: A Real American Hero. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.10 --------------- From: Harrison Yee Subject: Refresh my memory... Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:11:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCDA1B.E25191E0" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCDA1B.E25191E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...I can't seem to remember the color of the face mask worn by Cobra = Trooper and Cobra Officer. I believe the action figures had black ones, = as did the cartoon. But the comic, had them wearing red ones. I just moved into the Virginia are from NYC and don't have my Joe = collection with me. I left it back north. So, I can't see and check = this for myself. It's a silly question, but I'd appreciate some help. Thanks. 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I was about to quit GI joe around issue 144 or so. I was feeling burned by the Transformers, all the ninja stuff, and so on. Moreover, I was studying military history in college and had read "Fields of Fire" by Webb. The book, which follows a platoon of Marines in VIetnam, brought home to me how unspeakable the idea of war is, and I felt, at last, that I was too old for GI Joe heroics anymore. I think it was 144 that changed my mind. When Rock and Roll and Stalker visit their buddies at Arlington, it's sad, very honest, not at all glamorous or fun. It turned me around and I hung in for eleven more. The last issue, if you haven't read it, is a tough one. It's a powerful gem of a thing, let down only by the art, which is too slick for the subject matter. I won't give away the contents, for those who missed it. But it's not what you expect, it tells a lot of truth, and it focuses on the characters. A lot of plot is left unresolved, but you won't care. Larry slipped us a little masterpiece in the backdoor. It's as good a comic as any I've ever read, and if you're collecting, get it. But don't crack the cover 'til you've seen the rest. Save the best for last. Just a little rumination, High John --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.12 --------------- From: johne Subject: Re: Refresh my memory... Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:30:04 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710161414.HAA18930@lists1.best.com> The face mask on the figures are black. John P. > ...I can't seem to remember the color of the face mask worn by Cobra Trooper and Cobra Officer. I believe the action figures had black ones, as did the cartoon. But the comic, had them wearing red ones. > > Thanks. > > Harrison --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.13 --------------- From: johne Subject: Re: Cobra Commander Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:33:06 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710161054.DAA17750@lists1.best.com> Issue #100 featured his return to the command of Cobra. He was a little upset about the Fred thing. John P. > Yo Joe! Hey I have a quick question........ Could anyone tell me which G.I. > Joe comics has a lot of Cobra Commander in it? (I am a BIG CC fan) . Also; I > live in Rhode Island, Land of Joes! I'm going to take a ride up to Hasbro to > see what info I can get on the re-release. I think Hasbro could still make > the Joe Figs even if they don't do good, because they just got the license of > the Star Wars Prequil Movies! > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.14 --------------- From: Hyperion Subject: Hi there!/G.I.Joe Questions Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 05:43:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello out there! Just thought I'd like to introduce myself as a new member of the GIJoe mailing list. I began watching the G.I.Joe cartoon at around when it started (With 'The M.A.S.S. Device', I believe). I wasn't into the G.I.Joe comics when younger, though I'm trying to get information on them now. Unfortunately, I never really had any of the original line Joes, the first one I had and can remember clearly being Back Stop and his Persuader. I then got into Transformers for a time (And still am), partially leaving the Joes behind, until the Transformers Generation One died out, and my interest in Joes was rekindled by the purchase of a Locust helicopter, and Free Fall. Now, being the new guy here, I have (of course) several questions concerning GIjoe for you, and was wondering if you could help me with them, though you may or may not have already answered these at some point in the past. Albiet, if you could help me with these, I'd be /extremely/ grateful, as these have been bugging me for a while. A: Where is the GIJoe base, the one with the large gun from the cartoon, located? If you don't know this, then what was the site of the Pitt 1? B: Do and of you remember details of the two-parter called 'There's no place like Springfield' (Or was it 'Welcome to Springfield..hm.)? Specifically, according to it, it says that Shipwreck lied about his age to get into the Navy, whereas in his original release filecard, it says that he asked his parents and joined at the youngest age possible. Now, if you remember that ep, Shipwreck mentions that his only living relative was his uncle (Apparently, he forgot his nephew, Jesse, from 'Captives of Cobra'). Did they ever mention if his parents were dead, however? C: Do you know what the letters in S.T.U.N stand for? The Cobra vehicle that could split itself down the front? D: On Hawk's original filecard (Where it lists him as a Missile Commander), there is a short list of acronyms . What do they all mean, and what is their relevence? Anyway, like I said, if any of you can answer any of these, it'd be great. Hope to hear from you soon! -- Matt Karpowich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------Beachcomber: "Like we're all one with the universe."-------------- -----Tracks: "We're about to become one with the pavement. Duck!"------- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------Breakdown: "T-they're GAWKING at us...how mortifrying...."--------- ----Dead End: "The word, Breakdown, is mortifYING."--------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.15 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: number 155 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:54:03 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710161635.JAA23652@lists1.best.com> Christopher Edwards wrote: > > Since we're talking about the comic's last days-sort of-I've always wanted > to share my thoughts on the last issue, and never had anybody to share them > with. Aw. I know what its like. I didn't have a single person I could talk to about the comic until I got on the internet. Share all you like. > I was about to quit GI joe around issue 144 or so. I was feeling burned by > the Transformers, all the ninja stuff, and so on. You and me both. Though I wasn't ready to quit. Despite the generally poor art for the last few issues of the transformer thing. > Moreover, I was studying > military history in college and had read "Fields of Fire" by Webb. The > book, which follows a platoon of Marines in Vietnam, brought home to me how > unspeakable the idea of war is, and I felt, at last, that I was too old for > GI Joe heroics anymore. I know. War truly is hell. I tend to do a little test on myself for certain things. When it comes to war, if I were ever forced into the army, I just could not bring myself to take a life. I know it would have deep effects on me later if I did. The enemy has a life and most liekly family as well. Thus I can begin to understand how terrible it is. Though I doubt I ever could truly comprehend it unless I was actually sent out into the thick of it. > I think it was 144 that changed my mind. When Rock and Roll and Stalker > visit their buddies at Arlington, it's sad, very honest, not at all > glamorous or fun. It turned me around and I hung in for eleven more. That was a very good issue. Those pages were a reminder of the past. And I'm glad that the events of those many Joes deaths were not forgotten. Often you find these things in comics just happen then get left alone. > The last issue, if you haven't read it, is a tough one. It's a powerful > gem of a thing, let down only by the art, which is too slick for the > subject matter. I won't give away the contents, for those who missed it. > But it's not what you expect, it tells a lot of truth, and it focuses on > the characters. A lot of plot is left unresolved, but you won't care. Larry > slipped us a little masterpiece in the backdoor. It's as good a comic as > any I've ever read, and if you're collecting, get it. But don't crack the > cover 'til you've seen the rest. Save the best for last. > > Just a little rumination, > High John Yeah the art wasn't 100% compatible with the story. Who should it have been though? Sal or John Buscema perhaps? I was a little frustrated with the issue in the end though. Mainly because of the high point that was left untouched since 151. And so many questionswere suddenly raised. Why were the joes being shut down? What would become of Cobra with their old crew back once again. And of course I was also very annoyed it was the last issue. Maybe though in someways it was good that Larry left us with these unanswered questions. It gives us a little bit more to talk about and try to figure out. And it also left us with a very powerful Cobra and a closed down GI Joe force. Now they were on call. I think it was a high point of tension to and excitement to be left with and made us all the more hungry for more. Definately leave the last issue to last. Though it really is self contained... it would just work better read after you've read everything else. Thanks for sharing. It helps sometimes. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.16 --------------- From: Michele or Gabe Riggle Subject: Re: number 155 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:04:46 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been searching for this comic and since its a more recent one, I thought it would be easier to find. I was wrong! I can't find it anywhere! Anyone with any info on where I can get it please tell me! Thanks, Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.17 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Dwayne Marshall-this is for you Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:29:43 EDT Sorry to use the list for this, but I lost Dwayne's address. Thanks for the comics, they arrived today. Joe CODE NAME: Overdrive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.18 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Scarface Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:15:01 EDT Can someone give me info on Scarface? Was he just a trooper who got picked to be famous?? Joe CODE NAME: Overdrive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.19 --------------- From: Eric Erpenbach Subject: re: re-release thoughts Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:19:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >What would be peoples reaction if Hasbro started the Joe toyline, with >new molds but the same design costumes, but from day one? I think I >kind of want a continuation from where we left in terms of storyline >(comic canon here), but I don't think I'd complain if it was rebooted. That is an interesting idea. I don't know if I am crazy about it. I feel the best thing to do is to issues old characters in new uniforms Although I am a bit worried that if Hasbro created new characters, they would get wild with the colors again. Even with using the old molds, I am concerned that Hasbro will release figures with paint jobs that are not apporpriate for a battlefield. I know I was gripping about flourscent colors before, but it could happen again as Hasbro rushes to make a quick buck and tries to appeal to a wide market of 2 segments. The use of the old molds will target one market segment, namely us. Older collectors(age 7 and up) who will buy the figures because we remember what GI Joe was originally all about and want to regain that feeling again of what a Real American Hero is. The other market segment which the bright colors would appeal to those collectors under 7. I would really hate to see a orange Recondo or a blue Snow Job. New molds for old characters would be the best thing in my mind. In that case, old Joes would not have to be disgraced as Hasbro re-releases them in some funky colors of their old uniforms. Pretend that your are Shipwreck and you are dressed in a yellow shirt and black pants version of your naval attire. My Shipwreck wouldn't like it. >pic. It reminded me of how annoying it was that all the figures made of >the Cobra officers had those cheap "turn side ways" only necks. I guess >the other figures from the early two series were like this. Those "cheap turn side ways only necks" are classics. I don't believe Hasbro orginally planned to implement the V-neck figures. It's just as GI Joe became more popular, Hasbro realized that detail was important and decided to add the V-necks to all of their figures. I only wish Hasbro would have continued adding detail in later releases. Eric --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.20 --------------- From: Eric Erpenbach Subject: Where can I find the survey results? Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:20:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where can I find the survey results and the questions that were asked? --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.21 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: re-release thoughts Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:14:51 -0400 (EDT) I was also thinking that some people like Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow were in Vietnam, and if they kept it that way then they would be getting kinda old. I mean the characters not that the figs would be boring. Just saying what I was thinking. Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.22 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: Commets on Thomas Wheeler's posting Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:34:59 -0400 (EDT) My opinion concerning the cancellation of the Joe line is this. When I was little I loved them. I brought them everywhere. The last year or two I wasn't into them. This was because of the neon and space figs, and because of people buying all the good Joes and selling them overpriced. So, I could never get my fave figs. Since that happened I wasn't into them. After the line was cancelled, TRU still had up the Shadow Ninja Force figs. Then I got into them again but I couldn't get any that I liked because I didn't like those ones. So I was mad. Then I wasn't into them since I couldn't get the ones I wanted. But I'm into them again. I wish I woulda just gotten the ones from the last years and I wish I got some MK and SF2 figs. Oh well, Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.23 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:16:32 -0400 (EDT) As if I need to say more... This was posted by Thomas Wheeler in the GI Joe collectors section on AOL. Of course, my TRU ain't got 'em yet, but we've waited 3 years, a couple more days won't hurt... Subj: THE 3 3/4" JOES ARE OUT! Date: 97-10-15 20:11:36 EDT From: GI Trekker Special thanks to "harkavyr@cybernex.net (Roger Harkavy)" for the following information! (Now why wasn't I told be Hasbro??!?) The Toys "R" Us GI Joe Exclusives are out there. Today I picked up the Arctic Mission Team, Covert Commando Team, & a Cobra Viper w/Flight Pod. These toys are awesome, and sold out pretty quick. Can you say "Star Wars." The three packs were $9.99 as well the Cobra Viper. The figures are awesome and should be on everyone's wishlist as an early Christmas present. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.24 --------------- From: "Davis, Kyle x01276f4" Subject: Current trend in re-releases Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:20:26 -0400 Just wanted to throw in my two cents on the re-release of the Joe line... If you look at the only real comparison product on the market, that is, the re-release of the Star Wars Power of the Force figures, it seems to me that they aren't really made for the young child to play with, but rather they seem more to be targeted at those of us who played with the first series, and long for a new one. The new POF2 figures are highly detailed, but don't seem well suited for the 'action figure' title. I love them, and but them whenever I can. They look absolutely great on my shelves as perhaps figurines, but I can't really imagine playing with them is the same way that I played with the very articulated Joes when I was young. They have feet and legs molded in odd 'action' poses that make it impossible to have fun with. Some don't even turn at the waist, or have any other use than to sit on their vehicle (i.e. the Imperial Scout Trooper w/ Speeder Bike). The POF2 figures are to kids now what Joe was to me when I was young, but I just don't see the built in playability factor in the Star Wars figs that the Joes had. Anyway, where I was going with this is that they seem to be built more for collectors. I'd hope that the new Joe line would be a mix of this and their original playbility. Be articulated and diversified enough that kids would buy and play with them, thus introducing another generation to Joe, but also making the figures to fit the desires of us older collectors who don't want to see the memory of our Joe youth ruined. When the POF2 figures first hit the shelves, a quick glance by me had me think "Oh, no! What have they done! Luke and Han are buff! These figures are just because the movies are coming back out. This is all they'll make..." Then what happens?? They don't disappear. They just keep making more! And better detail and better quality! The Tatooine Stomtrooper, the new Dewback with Stormtrooper, the Imperial Gunner, the Hoth Troops, the Rebel Fleet Trooper, Grand Moff Tarkin, and (finally) Wedge! They've impressed me with what seems to be a commitment to produce figures loyal to Star Wars and collectors. Maybe Joe will take a hint and do the same... Kyle CDT Kyle Davis, '00, CDT CPL, F-4 http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/4079 "It's a trap!" - Admiral Ackbar, Star Wars: Return of the Jedi --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.25 --------------- From: Deplitch Subject: HAVOC Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:35:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could some describe the H.A.V.O.C. to me. I just can't seem to remember what it looks like. Nick --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.26 --------------- From: Conor Malone Subject: Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:40:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710170116.SAA20762@lists1.best.com> ForceFull1@aol.com wrote: > > As if I need to say more... > > This was posted by Thomas Wheeler in the GI Joe collectors section on AOL. > Of course, my TRU ain't got 'em yet, but we've waited 3 years, a couple more > days won't hurt... > > Subj: THE 3 3/4" JOES ARE OUT! > Date: 97-10-15 20:11:36 EDT > From: GI Trekker > > Special thanks to "harkavyr@cybernex.net (Roger Harkavy)" for the following > information! (Now why wasn't I told be Hasbro??!?) > > The Toys "R" Us GI Joe Exclusives are out there. Today I > picked up the Arctic Mission Team, Covert Commando Team, & a Cobra Viper > w/Flight Pod. These toys are awesome, and sold out pretty quick. Can you > say "Star Wars." The three packs were $9.99 as well the Cobra Viper. The > figures are awesome and should be on everyone's wishlist as an early > Christmas present. This was also posted to the newsgroup and then followed up with Thomas basically saying that this was a bad rumor and the toys aren't out yet. He said it might be possible that the toys are out but is most likely improbable. For the record, I've checked two TRUs in the SF Bay Area and neither one has the new Joes. Conor -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Conor Malone cmalone@yahoo-inc.com Yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Technical Yahoo! Do You Yahoo!? My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Inc. 3400 Central Expressway Suite 201 Santa Clara, CA 95051 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.27 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: RUMOR CONTROL (was Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:43:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710170116.SAA20762@lists1.best.com> >This was posted by Thomas Wheeler in the GI Joe collectors section on AOL. > Of course, my TRU ain't got 'em yet, but we've waited 3 years, a couple more >days won't hurt... Expect to wait a few days more. RUMOR Someone claiming that the Joes were out posted so the Action Figure Times webpage on Tuesday. It was posted anonymously on Tuesday, and they never said where they were. FACT Since then there has been no mention of the Joes in either rec.toys.action-figures or alt.toys.gi-joe. Tuesday, when I heard about it, I rushed out to the TRU in search of the figures - and found out that the San Diego Distribution warehouse hasn't received them yet. THE PROBLEM The rumor got read by someone who was so excited he e-mailed Thomas Wheeler, who went ahead and told everybody. SPECULATION When the 3 3/4" Joes do hit Toys R Us shelves, they'll hit the West Coast first. Probably the major markets first - Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles - then they'll move eastward. Expect to hear reports from West Coast toy collectors first. Be careful about starting and/or spreading the rumors. The only confirmation to accept is if someone on this list and/or maybe someone in rec.toys.action-figures or alt.toys.gi-joe comes out and says, "I got 'em at such-and-such Toys R Us." Or, listen for people screaming "Yo Joe" as they leave Toys R Us. :) -Eugene PLEASE NOTE THE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- My old account will be shut down in a few weeks - please note the change. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.28 --------------- From: Strmshdw99@aol.com Subject: Re: number 155 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:00:17 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-16 16:29:39 EDT, you write: << I've been searching for this comic and since its a more recent one, I thought it would be easier to find. I was wrong! I can't find it anywhere! Anyone with any info on where I can get it please tell me! >> Same here, for some odd reason I missed it when it came out, and haven't been able to find a copy since. I want to know how it ends. Josh --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.29 --------------- From: Ed + Marlene Dam Subject: Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:00:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710170116.SAA20762@lists1.best.com> ForceFull1@aol.com wrote: > > As if I need to say more... > > This was posted by Thomas Wheeler in the GI Joe collectors section on AOL. > Of course, my TRU ain't got 'em yet, but we've waited 3 years, a couple more > days won't hurt... > > Subj: THE 3 3/4" JOES ARE OUT! > Date: 97-10-15 20:11:36 EDT > From: GI Trekker > > Special thanks to "harkavyr@cybernex.net (Roger Harkavy)" for the following > information! (Now why wasn't I told be Hasbro??!?) > > The Toys "R" Us GI Joe Exclusives are out there. Today I > picked up the Arctic Mission Team, Covert Commando Team, & a Cobra Viper > w/Flight Pod. These toys are awesome, and sold out pretty quick. Can you > say "Star Wars." The three packs were $9.99 as well the Cobra Viper. The > figures are awesome and should be on everyone's wishlist as an early > Christmas present. CAN ANYONE CONFIRM OR DENY THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE!!!!!!!! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n313.30 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:52:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:16 PM 10/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >As if I need to say more... > >This was posted by Thomas Wheeler in the GI Joe collectors section on AOL. >Of course, my TRU ain't got 'em yet, but we've waited 3 years, a couple >more days won't hurt... Okay folks! Time to clarify this before it gets out of hand. Roger Harkavy, who originally reported this, was only mentioning something he saw posted on a web site. This information that was posted was supplied by a visitor to the site in a chat-type forum. It was not reported by a "reliable" source. When you begin to hear reports from people on this list you can be assured, until then, be skeptical but still check your TRU's regularly! :) -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- END gijoe.v001.n313 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:54:46 1998 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:22:24 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n314 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n314 -------------- 001 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: re-release thoughts 002 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 003 - Eugene - re: re-release thoughts 004 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: New Joes 005 - ForceFull1@aol.com - Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 006 - "Andrew D. Woodard" Subject: re: re-release thoughts Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:16:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710162219.PAA25669@lists1.best.com> At 5:19 PM -0500 10/16/97, Eric Erpenbach wrote: >That is an interesting idea. I don't know if I am crazy about it. I >feel the best thing to do is to issues old characters in new uniforms >Although I am a bit worried that if Hasbro created new characters, they >would get wild with the colors again. Even with using the old molds, I >am concerned that Hasbro will release figures with paint jobs that are >not apporpriate for a battlefield. I know I was gripping about >flourscent colors before, but it could happen again as Hasbro rushes to >make a quick buck and tries to appeal to a wide market of 2 segments. >The use of the old molds will target one market segment, namely us. >Older collectors(age 7 and up) who will buy the figures because we >remember what GI Joe was originally all about and want to regain that >feeling again of what a Real American Hero is. The other market segment >which the bright colors would appeal to those collectors under 7. I >would really hate to see a orange Recondo or a blue Snow Job. New molds >for old characters would be the best thing in my mind. In that case, >old Joes would not have to be disgraced as Hasbro re-releases them in >some funky colors of their old uniforms. Pretend that your are >Shipwreck and you are dressed in a yellow shirt and black pants version >of your naval attire. My Shipwreck wouldn't like it. Have to slightly disagree with you. Not that day-glo colors are bad - that we're all in agreement. But I think that if you look at the very last series of action figures, the 1994 Battle Corps figures, they show a marked movement back toward "traditional" military figures. Flint is a great one, I even like the Shipwreck. Heck, even Ice Cream Soldier has a neat look to him - even if he isn't "traditional" military. I think the Day-Glo colors weren't an attempt to appeal to kids, I think it was their interpretation of what kids wanted. In the later years of G.I.Joe, Hasbro quit thinking for themselves and tried to copy other toy lines. The Ninja Force toys were an attempt to get the Mutant Ninja crowd, Street Fighter 2 toys because kids love fighting games, and the unproduced Manimals were clearly an attempt to copy the Power Rangers. We'll have to wait and see. If saner heads are in control at Hasbro, then we'll be in good shape. If the Extreme heads are in control, your orange Recondo and blue Snow Job may end up on store shelves. PLEASE NOTE THE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- My old account will be shut down in a few weeks - please note the change. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.4 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: New Joes Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:11:48 -0400 (EDT) I live in the SF Bay Area. I just went again today and there was no sign. I'll keep checking! Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.5 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:32:48 -0400 (EDT) or maybe not... Pawsha just supplied me with some info from Thomas who said that he may have jumped the gun a bit. Time will tell if this rumor is based in fact... Brian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.6 --------------- From: "Andrew D. Woodard" Subject: Re: RUMOR CONTROL (was Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:35:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199710170116.SAA20762@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199710170241.TAA04716@lists1.best.com> At 7:43 PM -0700 10/16/97, Eugene wrote: >SPECULATION >When the 3 3/4" Joes do hit Toys R Us shelves, they'll hit the West Coast >first. Probably the major markets first - Seattle, San Francisco, Los >Angeles - then they'll move eastward. Expect to hear reports from West >Coast toy collectors first. This isn't always the case with Hasbro/Kenner. I don't know if anyone here collects Star Wars figures, but the new figure distribution seems to be essentially random for that line. One assortment might show up first in Los Angeles, another in New York City. You never know. Andrew --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.7 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Hi there!/G.I.Joe Questions Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:49:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The large base was only ever used once in the comic. It was set up as a remote base in the rockies (?) to keep Cobra Commander as a prisoner. The Pit and Pit II were located beneath the Chaplain Assistants Motor Pool, Fort Wadsworth, New York. Pit III was underground in the Utah desert. Never put too much faith in what you hear in the cartoons. The comic, and of course Larry Hama, were the only definitive authourities on the backgrounds of the Joes and Cobras. Larry is to GI Joe what Gene Roddenberry is to Star Trek. STUN stands for nothing. At least, there's nothing on the blueprints or catalogs. On Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:43 PM, Hyperion [SMTP:hyperion@gte.net] wrote: > Hello out there! Just thought I'd like to introduce myself as a > new member of the GIJoe mailing list. I began watching the G.I.Joe > cartoon at around when it started (With 'The M.A.S.S. Device', I > believe). I wasn't into the G.I.Joe comics when younger, though I'm > trying to get information on them now. Unfortunately, I never really had > any of the original line Joes, the first one I had and can remember > clearly being Back Stop and his Persuader. I then got into Transformers > for a time (And still am), partially leaving the Joes behind, until the > Transformers Generation One died out, and my interest in Joes was > rekindled by the purchase of a Locust helicopter, and Free Fall. > > Now, being the new guy here, I have (of course) several questions > concerning GIjoe for you, and was wondering if you could help me with > them, though you may or may not have already answered these at some > point in the past. Albiet, if you could help me with these, I'd be > /extremely/ grateful, as these have been bugging me for a while. > > A: Where is the GIJoe base, the one with the large gun from the > cartoon, located? If you don't know this, then what was the site of the > Pitt 1? > > B: Do and of you remember details of the two-parter called 'There's no > place like Springfield' (Or was it 'Welcome to Springfield..hm.)? > Specifically, according to it, it says that Shipwreck lied about his > age to get into the Navy, whereas in his original release filecard, it > says that he asked his parents and joined at the youngest age possible. > Now, if you remember that ep, Shipwreck mentions that his only living > relative was his uncle (Apparently, he forgot his nephew, Jesse, from > 'Captives of Cobra'). Did they ever mention if his parents were dead, > however? > > C: Do you know what the letters in S.T.U.N stand for? The Cobra > vehicle that could split itself down the front? > > D: On Hawk's original filecard (Where it lists him as a Missile > Commander), there is a short list of acronyms Cadre, North Atlantic Range Command and USE ENG COM EVR Missile and > Radar Training>. What do they all mean, and what is their relevence? > > Anyway, like I said, if any of you can answer any of these, it'd be > great. Hope to hear from you soon! > -- Matt Karpowich > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------Beachcomber: "Like we're all one with the universe."-------------- > -----Tracks: "We're about to become one with the pavement. Duck!"------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Breakdown: "T-they're GAWKING at us...how mortifrying...."--------- > ----Dead End: "The word, Breakdown, is mortifYING."--------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.8 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:29:58 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710170116.SAA20762@lists1.best.com> <199710170140.SAA04239@lists1.best.com> Well looks like interest is reaching extremely high levels with such rumors already spreading like wildfire throughout. I guess this is a positive thing. Theres a really big toy shop opening tommorow locally (note that I am in New Zeland) and It is a really big one... will be a sale and so on.. I was going to ask them whwther they woul dbe getting these figures. But I honsetly don't know what to say. What are they called exactly? GI Joe Re-releases? Would they be able to look that up? Just wondering. I am very inexperienced in the toy arena.. so I uh.. as usual appreciate the help. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.9 --------------- From: fortunex@juno.com (B L H) Subject: Supreme quality..! Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:30:42 -0500 References: <199710161338.GAA04504@lists1.best.com> Greetings, all!! With the thread on figure quality going, I thought I'd throw this in: You know how companies like The Hamilton Collection and Lenox make all these fancy, intricately-detailed dolls that sell for at least $100 each? I was thinking, wouldn't it be totally past awesomeness if one of them were to create a Joe collection of most or all figures made in the 80s? They'd be kinda like the 12" series, only way better--real clothes, hair, medals, and dogtags, as well as lifelike weapons and accessories--all with painstaking attention to every detail. Oh, and fully poseable for setting up the ultimate display! Among others, just imagine what a BAT would look like! ::drools:: Assuming that each of these would go for about $150, how many of you would buy one or more of these special creations, and how many would attempt to collect the entire set? Would you feel differently if these were all 3 3/4" yet still just as elaborately detailed (for the same price)? Thanks for your input! Happy Joe hunting!! -Fortune --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.10 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Dwayne Marshall-this is for you Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:48:45 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710162130.OAA05218@lists1.best.com> Joe M Gallagher wrote: > > Sorry to use the list for this, but I lost Dwayne's address. Thanks for > the comics, they arrived today. > > Joe > CODE NAME: Overdrive Apology accepted Joe Gallagher. Speaking of comics. How much are the first 12 issues going for these days? And whats their rarity? -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.11 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Months and Special Missions Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:21:32 EDT Why and when was GI Joe bi-monthly. And why did special missions end? Joe CODE NAME: Overdrive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.12 --------------- From: Larry Hama Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n313 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:44:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Next_Part_2959929888_67732_MS_Mac_IMN" > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Next_Part_2959929888_67732_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Matt Karpowich asked: On Hawk's original filecard (Where it lists him as a Missile Commander), there is a short list of acronyms . What do they all mean, and what is their relevence? It should have read USA ENG COM EUR, which stands for United States Army Engineer Command Europe. The rest is pretty self-explanatory. Larry Hama --Next_Part_2959929888_67732_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n313 Matt Karpowich asked:
On Hawk's original filecard (Where it lists him as a Missile
Commander), there is a short list of acronyms Cadre, North Atlantic Range Command and USE ENG COM EVR Missile and
Radar Training>. What do they all mean, and what is their relevence?

It should have read USA ENG COM EUR, which stands for United States Army Engineer Command Europe. The rest is pretty self-explanatory.

Larry Hama --Next_Part_2959929888_67732_MS_Mac_IMN-- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.13 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Favorite Joe artist? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:12:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know we're pretty busy with the "are they out?" thing-(remember, the army's policy is don't ask, don't tell...kidding, never mind)-but I was wondering who everyone's favorite artist on the Marvel Joe comic was. Before you say "Larry Hama!" let me say that I agree, but he didn't really have a run as artist on the title, just a couple of superb one-shots and a few fill-ins. Similarly, Michael Golden turned in one fantastic story and a few covers, ditto for Mike Zeck, who handled some covers and pin-ups, mainly. I'm asking about the "regular" artists who stayed with the book for a while and developed a feel for the characters. Artists who had a real run on the book, so to speak, enough to get a sense of their "GI Joe style." My choice here is Ron Wagner, who handled the pencils for some of the best issues in the series, including the ninja incursion into Boravia (before the comic was too full of ninjas) and most of the Cobra Civil War storyline. His style was, I think, perfect for the title. His figures are rugged and realisitic, and his vehicles and hardware look like military machines, not over-sized toys. He also managed to make each Joe look distinctive-check out some of the "massed-Joes" panels he did-each character looks unique. Runner up for me, is Rod Whigam, who had a very healthy run right through the meat of the title, in the twisting spiral of events that led up to issue fifty and its aftermath. Maybe because the storytelling is at its most dramatic here-with Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow on the trail of the Hard Master's killer, the ill-fated Ripcord romance, and so many diverse destinies converging, I remember these issues the most strongly. Rod's art is very plastic-looking, everything is a little too clean and thick, but it lends the stories a veneer of fantasy that's just right for when a ninja is fighting killer sharks. I won't voice a choice for least favorite, though I could. If anybody else wants to... One more point about issue 155. On the cover, we see an assemblage of Joes gathered around, looking mournful, as (presumably) the Pit's colors are struck-they're folding a flag, anyhow. One of the Joes in the circle...Quick Kick! Huh? The late Quick Kick? Dead and buried, right? I suppose the cover is just allegorical, and Quick Kick's presence is symbolic. More likely, the artist didn't check his reference material. Still a great issue, though- Awaiting your opinions- High John --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.14 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: New file cards? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:26:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know if the new figures will retain their original file cards? Looking back on it, I realize that the file cards were integral to the Joe mystique for me. They seemed so official, all those file names and qualifications, it made these figures seem like real soldiers. And the background material let me know, immediately, how this guy fit in, what his personality was, how he fought, etc. I really hope that this element is retained-of course, if Hasbro chooses to re-write the character histories, I will ignore it. Speaking of which, somebody made a point about the Joes who served in Vietnam-we know that at least Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, Stalker and Hawk were in-service around that time. And I believe the comic shows Snakes and company in action during the Tet offensive (correct me if I miss any data) which, I think, was '68. Let's assign Snake Eyes the average age for a combat soldier-19. Assuming that the Tet events occured near the beginning of his tour, that would put his birthdate around 1949, making him now about 48. I would guess that Hawk and Duke are older than that. But that's great! I love the idea of "old soldiers" making cool figures. You look at most action figures these days, they look to be about twenty or so, the hero figures, I mean. So I think it's great to put out a figure that's pushing fifty and is still bad to the bone. I just hope Hasbro doesn't try to make the Joes younger by doing away with their history, or making everybody Destert Storm veterans. High John --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.15 --------------- From: Justin Haley Martin Subject: Re: number 155 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:09:48 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710170356.UAA06861@lists1.best.com> To whoever was speaking about getting fed up about all the ninjas and transformers and quitting, only to be saved by a certain issue, the number is 145, not 144. 144 is an awful issue, as it has some really bad guest writer come in and give us a pathetic untold tale of Scarlet. At least we get to see Breaker, though, as I recall. I will agree that the issue you meant to refer to, 145, is one of the best. It's possibly my favorite issue, and for many reasons. It was the last issue before they got rid of that stupid "starring Snake Eyes", Cobra Commander was depicted as ruthless, evil, AND intelligent, a LOT of the loose ends were tied up, such as the Dreadnoks' fate, the Millville saga, etc., and they made some character modifications that were for the best, such as killing Darklon, making Destro and Zartan evil again, planting the seeds for turning Billy and Baroness back to evil, etc. Oh, and they also had Cobra turn its attention to overtaking Borovia. That was a cool scene when he shot the White Clown and Magda in cold blood. This issue felt like it was really GI Joe! It was just like reading one of the earlier issues befor it started getting weird, only on a more epic scale. This issue perfectly captures the feel of what this title is and was. Plus it was all the more refreshing that it followed up the single worst thing ever done in GI Joe: Transformers Gen2. Don't get me wrong, I like Larry Hama as a writer on Joe, Wolverine, and plenty of other things he's done, but he didn't display the integrity I know he has here. If it was forced upon him, I don't see why he didn't just leave. In his shoes at the time, it's what I would have done. After all, he always had Wolverine to fall back on, and that's a pretty cozy position. This was a million times worse than Serpentor. Plus they had a really stupid resurrection of Mindbender, although the issues that followed made me really enjoy his character. The Star Brigade saga was fine IMO, though. As long as they aren't battling aliens, that's fine, but I thought for the most part, issues 146-148 were good, and relied less on the suspension of disbelief than issues 37-145 almost inclusively did. Star Brigade was not THAT bad. As for the artists towards the end, it wasn't pretty at all. GI Joe was a title that featured really hot artists, or broke them in. Although I don't like Todd McFarlane or Ron Wagner, this is the title that really catapulted them into a position to get bigger pencilling duties. Plus its where Lee Weeks, Ron Garney, Andy Kubert, and Michael Golden all got there first pencilling work, or a lot of attention due to it. Plus there were plenty of great artists such as John Byrne who did guest covers and such (still love his rendition of the Dreadnoks). Sal Buscema definitely would have been a bad choice. Although he's a decent inker, his kiddie portrayal of characters rivals Phil Gosier's in terms of sucking. A better artist would have been one of the Kuberts, including their father, Garney, I would have loved to see a Romita do Joe, and I would have really loved to have seen Mike Zeck do it. Maybe even have Bill Sienkiewicz or Al Milgrom give it a more graphic edge. Walt Simonson would've been interesting as well. Oh, and anyone who actually liked Gosier's work, be sure to check out the last few issues of the L. Simonson run on Steel. He replaced one of the worst artists, IMO, that's out there, Jon Bogdanove. Basically, if you want a good read in comic books, I can't recommend highly enough GI Joe issue nos. 145-152, 155. Make sure you skip the Scarlet and Roadblock stories in 153-154. It features the same guy writing who made 144 hideous. These 3 stories are probably the worst in the series, and the guy who wrote them is probably down there with Ron Marz and Rob Liefeld in terms of inability to write his name let alone a story. Justin --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.16 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Two Airbornes??? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:11:14 EDT I know the Sky Patrol Airborne, and there is the Air-borne in the comics. Does anyone else find this confusing?? I was looking over my comics and found this problem. Joe CODE NAME: Overdrive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.17 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: Favorite Joe artist? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:12:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 11:12 AM 10/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >...I was wondering who everyone's favorite artist on the Marvel Joe comic was. >Awaiting your opinions- >High John Yo Joes: M.D. Bright. -Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- "That's the problem with ninjas: they're never around when you need 'em, and when they are, they're never on your side." -G.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.18 --------------- From: Harrison Yee Subject: RE: number 155 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:30:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCDB00.CEDFFD00" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCDB00.CEDFFD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wel, Justin, you've sold me. I stopped collecting GI Joe a long, long time ago. I think the last = issues I remember reading had something to do with Zartan and Billy = escaping from the abandoned ship that had become their tomb. The next issue I picked up would be 155. So, now I want all the GI Joe comics. Especially the ones you've cited = in this message. Can anyone help with getting them? ---------- From: Justin Haley Martin Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 12:09 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Re: number 155 To whoever was speaking about getting fed up about all the ninjas and transformers and quitting, only to be saved by a certain issue, the = number is 145, not 144. 144 is an awful issue, as it has some really bad guest writer come in and give us a pathetic untold tale of Scarlet. At least = we get to see Breaker, though, as I recall. I will agree that the issue you meant to refer to, 145, is one of the best. It's possibly my favorite issue, and for many reasons. It was = the last issue before they got rid of that stupid "starring Snake Eyes", = Cobra Commander was depicted as ruthless, evil, AND intelligent, a LOT of the loose ends were tied up, such as the Dreadnoks' fate, the Millville = saga, etc., and they made some character modifications that were for the best, such as killing Darklon, making Destro and Zartan evil again, planting = the seeds for turning Billy and Baroness back to evil, etc. Oh, and they = also had Cobra turn its attention to overtaking Borovia. That was a cool = scene when he shot the White Clown and Magda in cold blood.=20 This issue felt like it was really GI Joe! It was just like reading one of the earlier issues befor it started getting weird, only on a more = epic scale. This issue perfectly captures the feel of what this title is and was. Plus it was all the more refreshing that it followed up the single worst thing ever done in GI Joe: Transformers Gen2. Don't get me wrong, = I like Larry Hama as a writer on Joe, Wolverine, and plenty of other = things he's done, but he didn't display the integrity I know he has here. If = it was forced upon him, I don't see why he didn't just leave. In his shoes at the time, it's what I would have done. After all, he always had Wolverine to fall back on, and that's a pretty cozy position. This was = a million times worse than Serpentor. Plus they had a really stupid resurrection of Mindbender, although the issues that followed made me really enjoy his character. =20 The Star Brigade saga was fine IMO, though. As long as they aren't battling aliens, that's fine, but I thought for the most part, issues 146-148 were good, and relied less on the suspension of disbelief than issues 37-145 almost inclusively did. Star Brigade was not THAT bad. As for the artists towards the end, it wasn't pretty at all. GI Joe was = a title that featured really hot artists, or broke them in. Although I don't like Todd McFarlane or Ron Wagner, this is the title that really catapulted them into a position to get bigger pencilling duties. Plus = its where Lee Weeks, Ron Garney, Andy Kubert, and Michael Golden all got = there first pencilling work, or a lot of attention due to it. Plus there were plenty of great artists such as John Byrne who did guest covers and such (still love his rendition of the Dreadnoks). Sal Buscema definitely = would have been a bad choice. Although he's a decent inker, his kiddie portrayal of characters rivals Phil Gosier's in terms of sucking. A better artist would have been one of the Kuberts, including their = father, Garney, I would have loved to see a Romita do Joe, and I would have = really loved to have seen Mike Zeck do it. Maybe even have Bill Sienkiewicz or Al Milgrom give it a more graphic edge. Walt Simonson would've been interesting as well. Oh, and anyone who actually liked Gosier's work, be sure to check out = the last few issues of the L. Simonson run on Steel. He replaced one of the worst artists, IMO, that's out there, Jon Bogdanove. =20 Basically, if you want a good read in comic books, I can't recommend highly enough GI Joe issue nos. 145-152, 155. Make sure you skip the Scarlet and Roadblock stories in 153-154. It features the same guy writing who made 144 hideous. These 3 stories are probably the worst in the series, and the guy who wrote them is probably down there with Ron Marz and Rob Liefeld in terms of inability to write his name let alone a story. 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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:33:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710170833.BAA19824@lists1.best.com> On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, B L H wrote: > Assuming that each of these would go for about $150, how many of you > would buy one or more of these special creations, and how many would > attempt to collect the entire set? Would you feel differently if these > were all 3 3/4" yet still just as elaborately detailed (for the same > price)? Personally, I would buy none of them. Of course, I am also one of those unique Trek fans who throws away every single advertisement from Hamilton Mint, etc...I just can't afford that stuff. I'd rather buy the less expensive, yet well-made (some are, usually the fan-produced) stuff. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.20 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Favorite Joe artist? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:48:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710171512.IAA00527@lists1.best.com> On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Christopher Edwards wrote: > I know we're pretty busy with the "are they out?" thing-(remember, the > army's policy is don't ask, don't tell...kidding, never mind)-but I was > wondering who everyone's favorite artist on the Marvel Joe comic was. It's been awhile...did John Byrne ever do art for JOE? I'm terrible at recalling names...if anyone has a listing of artists from JOE they could e-mail me, I'd be able to pick out my favorites. (Do that by private e-mail, please...I doubt most of the List readers want to see a post that long that they don't plan to read!) Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.21 --------------- From: Benjamin Thomas Subject: Re: Favorite Joe artist? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:44:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710171617.JAA04153@lists1.best.com> Gary W. DeVoe wrote: > > At 11:12 AM 10/17/97 -0700, you wrote: > >...I was wondering who everyone's favorite artist on the Marvel Joe comic > was. > >Awaiting your opinions- > >High John > > Yo Joes: > > M.D. Bright. > > -Gary > > OUCH!! I have to say the M.D. Bright was by far my LEAST favorite artist. The guy couldn't draw detail or action very well. The true god of G.I. Joe artwork was the incomparable Rod Whigam, whose first run with Mushynsky (spell?) still impresses me when I reread his issues today. His brief return in 116-118 only proves further that he is the best, since his art still looked great even with a mediocre inker like Randy Emberlin. I noticed someone said the artwork was inappropriate for issue 155 (IMO, Gosier's buff-yet-lacking in detail style had no place in G.I. Joe at all). If only Rod could have drawn it . . . As for second-best, Ron Wagner might have had that distinction if he had a better inker than Fred Fredericks. Fredericks's inks are possibly the worst I've ever had the displeasure of witnessing. (Then again, I'm no artist, so who am I to judge?) Ben Thomas, BIThomas@worldnet.att.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.22 --------------- From: Benjamin Thomas Subject: Re: Issue 155 cover Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:48:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710171512.IAA00527@lists1.best.com> > One more point about issue 155. On the cover, we see an assemblage of Joes > gathered around, looking mournful, as (presumably) the Pit's colors are > struck-they're folding a flag, anyhow. One of the Joes in the > circle...Quick Kick! Huh? The late Quick Kick? Dead and buried, right? I > suppose the cover is just allegorical, and Quick Kick's presence is > symbolic. More likely, the artist didn't check his reference material. > Still a great issue, though- > > Awaiting your opinions- > High John Not only does the deceased Quick Kick appear on the cover, but the Cobra-controlled Storm Shadow appears as well. Though I suppose one could assume that he was rescued in between issues 152 and 155, his lack of appearance in the story suggests otherwise. Am I the only person that could only identify about half of the people on the cover? I have 95-98% of the figures, so I would hope I could match more than that number. Ben Thomas, BIThomas@worldnet.att.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.23 --------------- From: Eugene Son Subject: RE: Hi there!/G.I.Joe Questions Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:50:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710170642.XAA25512@lists1.best.com> At 2:49 PM -0800 10/16/97, Ian & Melanie wrote: >Never put too much faith in what you hear in the cartoons. The comic, and >of course Larry Hama, were the only definitive authourities on the >backgrounds of the Joes and Cobras. Larry is to GI Joe what Gene >Roddenberry is to Star Trek. I wouldn't discount the cartoon completely. The cartoon was never meant to be a realistic telling - it was interested in being exciting, having some wacky and far-out adventures, sell a few toys, and most of all, being funny. If we're dealing with what's "canon" in the G.I.Joe mythos, you're right - take the comic book, filecards, and the Impel trading cards... then just casually ignore any and all references to Cobra-La. Agree with you 100% about Larry Hama and the comic book, though. Can't help but wonder : the cartoon definitely sold a lot of kids on the G.I.Joe toys, I wonder if the comic books sold a lot of kids on joining the military? Then again, the comic books didn't sell me on joining the military. It did entice me into becoming a huge teenage comic book addict. -Eugene eson@mail.com ------------------------------------------------------------ | YO JOE! : | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers | | you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.24 --------------- From: Eugene Son Subject: Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:42:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199710170116.SAA20762@lists1.best.com> <199710170140.SAA04239@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199710170728.AAA18022@lists1.best.com> At 11:29 PM -0800 10/16/97, Rod Hannah wrote: >Theres a really big toy shop opening tommorow locally (note that I am in >New Zeland) and It is a really big one... will be a sale and so on.. I >was going to ask them whwther they woul dbe getting these figures. But >I honsetly don't know what to say. What are they called exactly? GI >Joe Re-releases? Would they be able to look that up? The re-releases are going to be exclusive to Toys R Us stores in the United States, at least until the end of 1998. By that point, if the rerelease is a success, then they'll be released everywhere. It's unclear at this point whether or not Toys R Us stores internationally will be getting the G.I.Joe figures at any time. For our international friends, it'd be better to find someone on this list to pick them up for you and send them to you for cost+shipping. -Eugene eson@mail.com ------------------------------------------------------------ | YO JOE! : | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers | | you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.25 --------------- From: Eugene Son Subject: Re: New file cards? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:39:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710171525.IAA06026@lists1.best.com> At 10:26 AM -0800 10/17/97, Christopher Edwards wrote: >Does anybody know if the new figures will retain their original file cards? >Looking back on it, I realize that the file cards were integral to the Joe >mystique for me. They seemed so official, all those file names and >qualifications, it made these figures seem like real soldiers. And the >background material let me know, immediately, how this guy fit in, what his >personality was, how he fought, etc. I really hope that this element is >retained-of course, if Hasbro chooses to re-write the character histories, >I will ignore it. The figures won't have their original filecards - new ones have been written up. They've been updated for the 90s. Thomas Wheeler wrote seven of them, and from what I gather, they're going to be back to their full size again. > Speaking of which, somebody made a point about the Joes who served in >Vietnam-we know that at least Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, Stalker and Hawk >were in-service around that time. And I believe the comic shows Snakes and >company in action during the Tet offensive (correct me if I miss any data) >which, I think, was '68. Let's assign Snake Eyes the average age for a >combat soldier-19. Assuming that the Tet events occured near the beginning >of his tour, that would put his birthdate around 1949, making him now about >48. I would guess that Hawk and Duke are older than that. But that's great! >I love the idea of "old soldiers" making cool figures. You look at most >action figures these days, they look to be about twenty or so, the hero >figures, I mean. So I think it's great to put out a figure that's pushing >fifty and is still bad to the bone. Ahh, the never ending dilemma of reality based characters. At what point do they get old? If Tony Stark created the Iron Man suit in Vietnam, how come he looks so young now? If Nick Fury was a Howling Commando in World War 2, is he now the Howling Senior Citizen? If we follow the filecards and comic books religiously, then this year Dragonsky is 61, Duke is 48, and the Baroness is 43! Nothing wrong with aging the Joe characters a bit - but here's hoping they'll get whatever youth formula that James Bond seems to enjoy. -Eugene eson@mail.com ------------------------------------------------------------ | YO JOE! : | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers | | you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.26 --------------- From: "Davis, Kyle x01276f4" Subject: RE: Hi there!/G.I.Joe Questions Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:09:58 -0400 > Agree with you 100% about Larry Hama and the comic book, though. > Can't > help but wonder : the cartoon definitely sold a lot of kids on the > G.I.Joe > toys, I wonder if the comic books sold a lot of kids on joining the > military? > Well, I can say from personal experience that the Joe comic was one of the two big influences that effected my personality and eventually led me here to West Point (Star Trek was the other :) The portrayal of the Joes in the comic gave me an appreciation for the military. The letters from soldiers on the letters page each month showed me that there was a good degree of realism in the book. Now that I'm in, I see the realism for myself... Kyle --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.27 --------------- From: Michele or Gabe Riggle Subject: Re: Favorite Joe artist? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:30:20 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:44 PM 10/17/97 +0000, you wrote: >Gary W. DeVoe wrote: >> >> At 11:12 AM 10/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >...I was wondering who everyone's favorite artist on the Marvel Joe comic >> was. >> >Awaiting your opinions- >> >High John >> >> Yo Joes: >> >> M.D. Bright. >> >> -Gary >> >> > I pretty sure that MD Bright did the Snake Eyes trilogy and I thought that the art was pretty cool. But that is just my opinion. >OUCH!! I have to say the M.D. Bright was by far my LEAST favorite >artist. The guy couldn't draw detail or action very well. The true god >of G.I. Joe artwork was the incomparable Rod Whigam, whose first run >with Mushynsky (spell?) still impresses me when I reread his issues >today. His brief return in 116-118 only proves further that he is the >best, since his art still looked great even with a mediocre inker like >Randy Emberlin. > >I noticed someone said the artwork was inappropriate for issue 155 (IMO, >Gosier's buff-yet-lacking in detail style had no place in G.I. Joe at >all). If only Rod could have drawn it . . . > >As for second-best, Ron Wagner might have had that distinction if he had >a better inker than Fred Fredericks. Fredericks's inks are possibly the >worst I've ever had the displeasure of witnessing. > >(Then again, I'm no artist, so who am I to judge?) > >Ben Thomas, BIThomas@worldnet.att.net > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.28 --------------- From: Eugene Son Subject: Re: Favorite Joe artist? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:40:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199710171512.IAA00527@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199710171748.KAA15495@lists1.best.com> At 9:48 AM -0800 10/17/97, Adam Bernay wrote: >It's been awhile...did John Byrne ever do art for JOE? I'm terrible at >recalling names...if anyone has a listing of artists from JOE they could >e-mail me, I'd be able to pick out my favorites. (Do that by private >e-mail, please...I doubt most of the List readers want to see a post that >long that they don't plan to read!) I don't have a list of artists, but John Byrne did do at least one G.I.Joe cover - #35 . -Eugene eson@mail.com ------------------------------------------------------------ | YO JOE! : | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers | | you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.29 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: THEY'RE NOT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Joes- Conor, you live in the SF Bay Area? I do. I live in Mountain View but I go to school in Redwood City. Anyways, I went to a TRU today and I asked a guy and he said maybe Monday. Man, this is getting intense. Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n314.30 --------------- From: TreyVC@aol.com Subject: Re: Joe Comics Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Hi I am currently trying to sell my comics. Here's what I've got. HERE'S WHAT I HAVE GOT TO SELL AND THEY CAN BE YOURS IF YOU JUST MAKE A REASONABLE OFFER. I CAN SHIP THEM OUT AS SOON AS YOU NEED THEM. I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU FIND SOMETHING INTERESTING SO THAT WE CAN DO SOME BUSINESS. #3,5,7,10,17,18,19,21-24,27,28,29,30,32,34,35,36,38,39,40,43,48-53,55-58,60,62 ,63,65 SPECIAL MISSIONS: 1-8 GIJOE YEARBOOK: #2 I REALLY HOPE YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO READ OR NEED FOR YOUR COLLECTION!!! HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU VERY SOON. THANKS FOR TAKING A LOOK TREY --------------- END gijoe.v001.n314 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:54:58 1998 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 21:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n315 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n315 -------------- 001 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: New file cards? 002 - ForceFull1@aol.com - The Mighty Eskimo Kwinn 003 - Hyperion Subject: Skidmark? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:50:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wondering something on one of the lesser-used characters...was Skidmark ever featured in the comics? I seem to recall that most of the drivers after the first few years of the Joes were mostly left out of the limelight, or only certain drivers/vehicles were featured (For instance, I can't recall seeing Tollbooth, Frostbite, Heavy Metal, or Keel Haul on the GIJoe cartoon , and yet at least Cross-Country and Life-Ticket got appearances on the show. I know that at least some of the characters not seen were featured in the comic, however). So, I was wondering if Skidmark or the Desert Fox ever appeared in the comic. If not, then could I possibly have information on the Desert Fox itself? I don't seem to recall what it looks like, strangely. If anyone knows where to find a picture of it online on a web page, or so, that would also be helpful. And I'd like to thank innmmel@niagara.com and and Mr. Larry Hama for answering my previous questions, as well. Thank you very much, and have a nice day. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.4 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Favorite Joe artist? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 07:34:37 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Weren't some done by Herb Trimpe ? If so, he gets my vote. Al S. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.5 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Current trend in re-releases Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:03:27 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kyle Davis mentioned in his post about the 'non-playability' of the POTF2 figures vs. GI Joe. I grew up on the original Star Wars line and not Joe. ( was too 'old' by the time Joe came out - I started collecting Joe circa 1991-92 WITH the neon colored stuff so..........) Anyways the original SW figures did not have the posability of Joes either so how are the POTF2 so much worse than the original Star Wars line ?? I think those that actually played with thier Joes ( and myself with Mego's Micronauts line ) are / got spoiled by the posability . ( I mean look at the new Batman or such and tons of kids are playing with those - without the articulation of Joes). Just my 1.25 worth. Al S. ( he doesn't know this is my buck and a quarter, quarter staff ,but.....) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.6 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: re: re-release thoughts Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:07:35 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >We'll have to wait and see. If saner heads are in control at Hasbro, then >we'll be in good shape. If the Extreme heads are in control, your orange >Recondo and blue Snow Job may end up on store shelves. And if they do I'll still buy a few.. won't you ??? AL S. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.7 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: re: re-release thoughts Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:51:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:07 AM 10/18/97 -0500, you wrote: > >> >>We'll have to wait and see. If saner heads are in control at Hasbro, then >>we'll be in good shape. If the Extreme heads are in control, your orange >>Recondo and blue Snow Job may end up on store shelves. > > >And if they do I'll still buy a few.. won't you ??? > >AL S. Everybody has to draw the line somewhere, I'm not sure where I'd draw mine, but I know I'd draw it... -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.8 --------------- From: "Davis, Kyle x01276f4" Subject: RE: re-release thoughts Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:12:56 -0400 > Everybody has to draw the line somewhere, I'm not sure where I'd > draw > mine, but I know I'd draw it... > We have to give it some time and perhaps ignore our initial reactions. I thought the same thing when the buff Luke Skywalker figures came out...now I can't get enough of the POF2 figures... Kyle --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.9 --------------- From: "Davis, Kyle x01276f4" Subject: RE: Current trend in re-releases Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:16:45 -0400 > Anyways the original SW figures did not have the posability of Joes > either so how are the POTF2 so much worse than the original Star Wars > line ?? > The POF2 stuff isn't really worse. I'd say it's better. All of the original Star Wars figures had straight arms and legs...looked like they were always standing at attention. The new ones are all semi-posed with arms and legs bent at angles to facilitate 'action'. What the POF2 gained in detail an static display (for which I think these guys are AWESOME!) they lost in playability and interchangability. (ie, look at the Tatooine Stormtrooper... his arms are molded so that his rifle is the only one he can hold properly... But, hey, he looks unbelievable sitting on my shelf! :) Kyle --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.10 --------------- From: Benjamin Thomas Subject: Re: Skidmark? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:43:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710180843.BAA08520@lists1.best.com> Hyperion wrote: > > Just wondering something on one of the lesser-used characters...was > Skidmark ever featured in the comics? He was featured in issue #72 if nowhere else. > I seem to recall that most of the > drivers after the first few years of the Joes were mostly left out of > the limelight, or only certain drivers/vehicles were featured (For > instance, I can't recall seeing Tollbooth, Frostbite, Heavy Metal, or > Keel Haul on the GIJoe cartoon Heavy Metal had a major part in at least one 1985 cartoon. I can't remember any of the details of the episode other than him hanging around Flint and Lady Jaye the whole time. I seem to also recall Tollbooth making an appearance on some episode, but I could be completely wrong there. I have no idea either way about Frostbite, but I'm sure that Keel-Haul never appeared in the cartoon. > , and yet at > least Cross-Country and Life-Ticket got appearances release> on the show. I know that at least some of the characters > not seen were featured in the comic, however). So, I was wondering if > Skidmark or the Desert Fox ever appeared in the comic. Again, the Desert Fox appeared in issue #72 as well. Ben Thomas, BIThomas@worldnet.att.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.11 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Joe artists, etc. Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:41:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Never much cared for Bright's art myself-he cranked out quite a few issues, but it was all pretty journeyman stuff. The era I found pretty depressing, artwise was the Andrew Wildman run-remember when, all of a sudden, everybody stopped carrying M-16's and Uzis, and suddenly was packing some bloated, unrelalistic cannon of a thing? It's a shame, becuase his stint coinicdes with some interesting storyline, although it's also the peak of the "zombify everybody, then mass-Arisihikage mindset them" period. But his style is way too slick, very much in the post-McFarlane/Liefield, whoever else ruined comics style of the era. But I'd have to say, to get to my leat favorite Joe penciler, I'd go all the way back to issue one-Herb Trimpe. Now, I have seen some of Mr. Trimpe's art that wasn't bad-the B&W Savage Tales revival for one-but I really grew to despise his scratchy, flat-looking art, especially when he showed up as the regular peniciler on Special Missions. His style is really grating, and saps a lot of the drama out of some great stories. It helps., I find, if you pretend that you're reading an old '60's war comic-maybe one from Charlton. Then the art fits. High John --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.12 --------------- From: Joe Tillman Subject: Orange hair Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:19:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if the comic ever did an issue where Zandar played a major role? He seemed to stand there an awful lot in most issues I have. Thanks in Advance, Joe Tillman --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.13 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Orange hair Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:33:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:19 PM 10/18/97 -0500, you wrote: > Does anyone know if the comic ever did an issue where Zandar played >a major role? He seemed to stand there an awful lot in most issues I >have. > > >Thanks in Advance, Joe Tillman That may have been what Larry H. always had planned for the character. Take a look at his filecard sometime. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n315.14 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Updates and News from Zartan's Domain Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:25:20 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hust to let you all know. I have put a page up on my site for discussions of Joe continuity, plots, characters etc.. Its focussing on Zartan and the dreadnoks. I'll post a sort of topic and my thoughts on it.. then others can agree disagree and add their own $0.02 http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zforum.html Plus I have put a much more detail Comic history of Zartan .. called "Zartan's Comic History".. original huh. :-) http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zar01.html Also a reminder about the GI Joe roleplaying game I'm running over email. Theres a homepage for it. I recommend checking it and you can read the story so far. :-) http://members.tripod.com/~Zartan1/index.html Enjoy. :-) -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- END gijoe.v001.n315 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:55:21 1998 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n316 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n316 -------------- 001 - cedwards@tcia.net (Christ - The Mighty Kwinn 002 - Justin Haley Martin Subject: Desert Fox and other vehicles Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:57:47 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710190401.VAA08660@lists1.best.com> The question posed was about the Desert Fox and its appearances in the comic. It debuted in, I believe # 72, and was a mainstay right up until around 103 or 105, whenever the Sierra Gordo and Tucaros land vs. Darklon forces plot was finished. One of the other interesting points to #72 is that it features the appearance of Windmill, without the appearance of his vehicle, which I can't recall ever appearing. ONe thing I've noticed is how vehicles tended NOT to stick around much, save for aircraft. The Vamp was replaced by the Vamp Mk. II, which was replaced by the AWE striker, Desert Fox, Hammer, and finally the thing which appeared in the last several issues from the 12" line that started with an M or something. Tanks were similar, as the Mobat was replaced by the Mauler, Mean Dog, then the Rolling Thunder, the Raider and Battle Wagon. I found this interesting because with the exception of the Aircraft, which never really took any out of circulation, is that some of them were kind of tried and true, and didn't need replaced. It also doesn't seem that the toy influenced this, as their would be no need to keep showing an Awe Striker for example, for much longer than about a year and a half after its initial release. Another thing is that some really cool stuff, like the Devil Fish, Snowcat, Polar Battle Bears, and some other stuff were not really used, and they seemed basic as well as cool. One other interesting thing, is that the Swampmasher, which appeared once, was never named in the comic. I doubt that really would be effective in advertising a toy if someone went out looking for "that green thing with a lot of wheels and a rollbar, especially if a kid is reiterating it to their parents. Pretty trivial, but interesting all the same. Justin --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n316.3 --------------- From: Justin Haley Martin Subject: Zandar, was re: Orange hair Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:59:31 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710190401.VAA08660@lists1.best.com> Zandar played a pretty major role in issue 51 or 52 when he busts Zartan out with his sister by posing as an officer. I'm sure he played a major role, but nobody noticed him! ;-) Justin --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n316.4 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Zandar, was re: Orange hair Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:09:55 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710190559.WAA05685@lists1.best.com> Justin Haley Martin wrote: > > Zandar played a pretty major role in issue 51 or 52 when he busts Zartan > out with his sister by posing as an officer. I'm sure he played a major > role, but nobody noticed him! ;-) > > Justin I think Larry did a good job with Zandar. Perhaps he was in the comic a lot more.. who can tell. With his strange powers, we mat never really notice or remember him. I've never found him very interesting. Mainly because nothing has really been done with him, unlike Zarana.. who has the advantage of being one of the few females in GI Joe, or should I say Cobra. By the way.. is Larry really on the list? -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n316.5 --------------- From: Justin Haley Martin Subject: Re: Favorite Joe Artists Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 02:38:28 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710190401.VAA08660@lists1.best.com> I don't have my Joe Collection handy, but I can remember for the most part, most of the various artists and their styles on the book. First of all, I've heard a lot of negative comments about Mark Bright. I agree his work didn't look great on Joe, but I think that has more to do with the inker. AND he CERTAINLY WASN'T doing a journeymanship kind of deal. His work on Power Man and Iron Fist was great, and his recent stuff from Green Lantern and Quantum and Woody is nothing short of spectacular. Herb Trimpe was great. Really underrated and underused in the industry, too. Rod WHigham was reallly good. Him or Trimpe probably my faves as far as I can remember. Didn't Randy Emberlin ink him? I remember an Emberlin Zartan pinup that was completely menacing. It was cool. Michael Golden was really good. Unfortunately, he's never been given his due as he was drawing like Liefeld, Larsen, McFarlane, and other image guys before they were popular. Although with those crappy artists, I probably wouldn't want credit either. Golden was much cleaner, and better, though. Especially on the 'Nam. I thought Larry Hama's pencils were great, too. They were so realistic, in that the characters were so expressive, and the characters looked like people you would see in real life. Just look at his Scarlett. She didn't look like a knockout, busty, perfect body in compromising poses like other artists interpreted her. She was tough, gritty, and not especially great looking, which is how she should have been. Wagner's best work was on Joe. I think it's good, but nowhere near the above artists. His other work, mostly at DC, has been quite awful. When he started out, he was quite good, and the Genesis series was surprisingly full of nice art from him, but other than that, I've found it to be dull. He does add some cool touches, though, like when he had Fate wearing a "Paul is Dead" T-shirt, which is something my friends and I are really in to. Wildman had no style of his own. Just a hack of Jim Lee, who himself is a hack. His other work was pretty crappy, too. Gosier was just awful, but he did really good expressions on many occasions. Just too cartoony, though. Frank Springer did some stuff, too, didn't he? I'm sure his stuff would have been good quality. I just can't recall. Wiacek is one I can't recall at the moment either, though some of his other stuff isn't bad. As for cover artists, I can't think of any I really disliked, although the covers from around 86-89 were really bad. As far as major or special cover artists go, Lee Weeks is and was fabulous, Kubert perfectly capture the grittiness and feel of Battle, Byrne did the all time best Dreadnoks, and Trimpe always made imaginitive and intriguing covers. If they do make a new Joe comic, I'd like to see Hama at least plotting (and/or scripting) and if he can't do it then I'd like to see a pretty major writer come on board like Mike Baron, Stephen Grant, Steve Seagle, or Mark Waid. Maybe Christopher Priest. Either Chuck Dixon or James Robinson would be okat, too. Although I don't care much for either anymore, they are complete masters of writing action, and Robinson loves weapons and stuff. On pencils I'd love to see a big guy here. Perez, Walt Simonson, or Mike Zeck would all be interesting to see. If John Byrne could draw a bit more like he did 10-15 yrs. ago, that'd be great too. I'd also be interested in seeing what Al Mignola, Bill Sienkiewicz, Ron Garney, or Bob Layton could do. Well, I've rambled on enough, so I'll end it here. Justin --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n316.6 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Desert Fox and other vehicles Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:03:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710190557.WAA05472@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Justin Haley Martin wrote: > The question posed was about the Desert Fox and its appearances in the > comic. It debuted in, I believe # 72, and was a mainstay right up until > around 103 or 105, whenever the Sierra Gordo and Tucaros land vs. Darklon > forces plot was finished. Yeah, I remember the Desert Fox was in an issue where some Cobra agent (he might've worked for someone else, and might've been an android, I can't remember) used it to get into the Pit II (or maybe III, I can't remember). He hid himself underneath the Fox, holding onto pipes underneath or something. Anyone remember this one? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n316.7 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Orange hair Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 02:58:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was his M.O. wasn't it? To never get noticed... On Saturday, October 18, 1997 7:19 PM, Joe Tillman [SMTP:joetil@mail2.theonramp.net] wrote: > Does anyone know if the comic ever did an issue where Zandar played > a major role? He seemed to stand there an awful lot in most issues I > have. > > > Thanks in Advance, Joe Tillman > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n316.8 --------------- From: Larry Hama Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n315 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:34:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Next_Part_2960145249_2013921_MS_Mac_IMN" > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Next_Part_2960145249_2013921_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Brian asked: I posed this question to the listserve a few months before Larry Hama joined, and didn't get much of a response. So, now that Mr Hama is around, he can hopefully answer this nagging question. The Eskimo mercenary Kwinn from the early days of the Joe comic bears a striking name resemblance to the '60s song The Mighty Kwinn, which states that Kwinn is in fact an Eskimo in the song too. My question is, what is the significance of this song? It seems like too much of a coincidence that this character would resemble the song's character too. Much thanks! Bob Dylan wrote "The Mighty Kwinn" after he saw Nicholas Rays film, "The Savage Innocents" starring Anthony Quinn as an Eskimo. I needed a name for the Eskimo mercenary character and couldn't remember the name of the character in the movie, so I did the same thing that Dylan did and appropriated Quinn's moniker with a different spelling. Kwinn turned out to be a character who had a life of his own. Larry Hama --Next_Part_2960145249_2013921_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n315 Brian asked:

I posed this question to the listserve a few months before Larry Hama joined,
and didn't get much of a response. So, now that Mr Hama is around, he can
hopefully answer this nagging question. The Eskimo mercenary Kwinn from the
early days of the Joe comic bears a striking name resemblance to the '60s
song The Mighty Kwinn, which states that Kwinn is in fact an Eskimo in the
song too. My question is, what is the significance of this song? It seems
like too much of a coincidence that this character would resemble the song's
character too. Much thanks!

Bob Dylan wrote "The Mighty Kwinn" after he saw Nicholas Rays film,
"The Savage Innocents" starring Anthony Quinn as an Eskimo. I needed a name
for the Eskimo mercenary character and couldn't remember the name of the
character in the movie, so I did the same thing that Dylan did and appropriated
Quinn's moniker with a different spelling. Kwinn turned out to be a character
who had a life of his own.

Larry Hama
--Next_Part_2960145249_2013921_MS_Mac_IMN-- --------------- END gijoe.v001.n316 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:55:43 1998 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n317 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n317 -------------- 001 - James McFadden Subject: RE: Desert Fox and other vehicles Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:00:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline As far as I recall, Skidmark appeared with the Desert Fox only 3 times. At Pit III joining the team, issue #72. In W-land, with Hawk and Roadblock and Gen. Liederkrantz around issue 85-90. And also outside the Pit III looking for Zarana after her Python Conquest was shot down. Mostly, the vehicles in the comics were used only when they first appeared with a few exceptions. The Tomahawk became a mainstay of the series. The transport plane (C-130) was never a toy, but it appeared all the time, usually with Wild Bill piloting. One exception to the "few appearances" rule was the Cobra Island civil war from issues #73-76. Many older and underused vehicles appeared, including the Bridgelayer, the Slugger, the AWE Striker, and lots more. Two WHALEs appeared as well. JMM --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n317.2 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: last thougths on Quinn the Eskimo Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:38:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I now have "The Mighty Quinn" stuck in my head. Permanently, it seems. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n317.3 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: Re: Songs Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:34:11 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710200601.XAA23538@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 gijoe-errors@lists.best.com wrote: > -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n316 -------------- > 001 - cedwards@tcia.net (Christ - The Mighty Kwinn > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n316.1 --------------- > > From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) > Subject: The Mighty Kwinn > Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:03:25 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > a goofy, fun song. > I figure Mr. Hama named his Eskimo mercenary Kwinn as a little in-joke and > maybe homage to the mighty Quinn. If you hunt around, you can find other > refernces to rock songs in the comics-bits of dialogue ("Blood on the > Tracks") and story titles ("Not Fade Away" I know that's in there > someplace) etc. I imagine that's all there is to it. Let's not forget issue number 1, Hawk talking to Clutch: "Slow down, Clutch! This isn't Ausbury Park and we're not in Thunder Road!" Yessss!! Brooooooooocee!!!! (what can I say... Springsteen's still the Boss to me :-) ) And in case you don't know or remember, Clutch was born in Ausbury Park, NJ. Was that on purpose, Larry? KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n317.4 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Songs Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:29:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710201734.KAA23645@lists1.best.com> On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Rod Pellegrini wrote: > Let's not forget issue number 1, Hawk talking to Clutch: "Slow down, > Clutch! This isn't Ausbury Park and we're not in Thunder Road!" I remember that! I recall there were other music references in the series, but can't remember them. Anyone recall any others? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n317.5 --------------- From: Harrison Yee Subject: RE: last thougths on Quinn the Eskimo Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:28:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCDD6C.E9EA8AC0" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCDD6C.E9EA8AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me too. All day long. *sigh* ---------- From: Christopher Edwards Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 3:38 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: last thougths on Quinn the Eskimo I now have "The Mighty Quinn" stuck in my head. 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"Crashing through the night, comes the evil cry of COBRA" I think it was in the movie or one of the later seasons of the cartoon series. Thanks. 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Can somebody give me some info on this figure. Thanks Joe CODE NAME: Overdrive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n317.8 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: Picture Date: 20 Oct 97 20:36:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_30188437_0_11919710202139080" --=_ORCL_30188437_0_11919710202139080 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dan, Hey buddy, what's shaking?! Long time, no _sprach_. ;) How goes the collecting? I've been kinda silent on the list of late, but only because I've been out here in BF Virginia for the last month-and-a-half, busting my hump gettin' et- ju-ma-cated on our Apps. After all, I's gon' be a Custom Apps DBA in the next little bit here, and I've gotta get smartened up :) so's I can do the job right, right? ("Right as rain, Torch me bucko!") Anyhow, if you've been on eBay of late at all, you know that I've been buying up a blue streak; funny what a 50% raise'll do to your wallet, hmm? *smirk* Sorry, not to brag, but I know that you scored the proverbial sh*tload of stuff before you went south, my friend. Mores to us, right? ;) (Course, that's not what our girlfriends have to say, is it?) So, my 'loot' of late: MOC Slaughter's Marauders Barbecue and Footloose; Sealed Box of Joe cards; 20+ (I think) Joe comix; Box o' vehicles--including X-19 and X-30, w/pilots, SnowCat, and Night SHARK (and Night Raven, too! :); Course, with the good you must have a bit of rain, right? (see above :) So, my turn for the...bad (not worst, not yet) has been that I won 3 very nice vehicles (Mobile Command Ctr, General, and Condor Z-25) from this dick in Texas; he got my money order 2 weeks ago, and I've not heard anything new from him. Bastard. Pardon me. Like to get my money back, more'n anything, at this point. Bastard. Anyhow, bud, if you drop me a line, I promise to write back. Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Associate Consultant Phone: 317.228.4027 Disclaimer: Me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --=_ORCL_30188437_0_11919710202139080 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 09 Oct 97 00:43:27 From:"Dan Carber " To:gijoe@lists.best.com Subject:Re: Picture Reply-to:gijoe@lists.best.com Bestservhost:lists.best.com In-Reply-To:<199710090421.VAA06376@lists1.best.com> Sender:gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Errors-To:gijoe-errors@lists.best.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_30188437_0_11919710202139081" --=_ORCL_30188437_0_11919710202139081 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:21 AM 10/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >For some reason it says Access Forbidden and I can't get there. Someone also >send me a pic privately. Thanks, Ok.....here's the actual picture from EBay, if 2 people are having problems, then there must be more. The site is working fine for me, as of 12:41am on 10/9/97 EST. 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gijoe.v001.n318 -------------- 001 - Justin Haley Martin - Re: Two Airbornes??? 014 - johne - Re: Skidmark? 015 - hz399@cleveland.Freenet.E - Scarlett 016 - joe1635@juno.com (Joe M G - Sorry again G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.1 --------------- From: Justin Haley Martin Subject: RE: Desert Fox and other vehicles Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:55:43 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710210038.RAA00545@lists1.best.com> Skidmark also made a cameo in issue #100 when hunting the python patrol. Remember that the events of issue #72 continue on into 73. As far as the vehicles, the Whale wasn't something that only made a few appearances and finally brought back in #74 or 75, it appeared regularly until the late 40's, appearing in almost every issue between 36 and 48. Tollbooth and Slugger appeared a few times in the 50's, but their vehicles didn't appear until Cobra Island Civil War as I recall. Frostbite and the Snowcat didn't appear until 68, but then again, there were never any arctic missions in the comic. Well, there were, but probably not enough. Justin --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.2 --------------- From: Joe Tillman Subject: Zandar again Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:28:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I realize it was Zandars' style to not be noticed, I still loved the character and seek any info on major roles. Yo Joe, (Man I got sick of people yelling that at me in grade school!) Joe Tillman --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.3 --------------- From: fortunex@juno.com (B L H) Subject: Re: GI Joe Lyrics Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:22:27 -0500 References: <199710202002.NAA13793@lists1.best.com> >Anyone have the lyrics for the GI Joe song that began with .... >"Crashing through the night, comes the evil cry of COBRA" Yeppers! My memory's a tad rusty, but here's how it goes as I recall: Crashing through the sky comes a fearful cry Cobra (Cobra) Cobra (Cobra) Army of the night Evil taking flight Cobra (Cobra) Cobra (Cobra) Nowhere to run Nowhere to hide Panic spreading far and wide Who can turn the tide? G.I. Joe (a real American hero) G.I. Joe is there G.I. Joe (a real American hero) G.I. Joe will dare Fighting for freedom Wherever there's trouble Over land and sea and air G.I. Joe is there Can the world oppose The deadliest of foes? Cobra (Cobra) Cobra (Cobra) He will risk it all to end the evil call of Cobra (Cobra) Cobra (Cobra) Never give up Never say die (forgot this verse) (forgot this verse too) Sound the battlecry (Yo Joe, Yo Joe) G.I. Joe (a real American hero) G.I. Joe is there G.I. Joe (a real American hero) G.I. Joe will dare Fighting for freedom Wherever there's trouble Over land and sea and air G.I. Joe is there G.I. Joe (a real American hero) G.I. Joe is there G.I. Joe ...Whew! There ya go! = ) -Fortune "He's gone batty!!" -Zarana --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.4 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: Arctic Commandos Dee-Jay Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:35:12 -0400 (EDT) I've never heard of that figure. Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.5 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: GI Joe Lyrics Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:45:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710210526.WAA13466@lists1.best.com> On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, B L H wrote: > Never give up > Never say die > (forgot this verse) > (forgot this verse too) > Sound the battlecry (Yo Joe, Yo Joe) This verse goes: They never give up, They never say die. Walking tall, With banners high, They sound the battlecry (Yo Joe, Yo Joe!) Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.6 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Arctic Commandos Dee-Jay Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:32:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:35 AM 10/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >I've never heard of that figure. The Arctic Commandos were a mail-in set of figures (repaints of previous figures). Stalker, Snow Serpent (2nd), Dee-Jay, and Sub-Zero were offered. They each came with a gun not their original accessories. They were offered by Hasbro Promotions around 1992 I believe. Rommel Whitfield probably still has bunches of these for sale at a good price if anyone else is interested. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.7 --------------- From: "Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" Subject: Thomas Wheeler's GI Joe Trivia/Puzzle Book Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:21:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" [this message from Thomas Wheeler...] Three years ago, before I started doing fanzines like "The Barracks", Hasbro asked me to assemble a "Trivia and Puzzle Book" (after seeing a previous effort on my part) that would be used as a special giveaway at the 1994 International Toy Fair, which was also G.I.Joe's 30th anniversary. Only 100 were made. I have unearthed the paste-up boards to this Trivia Book, and my Hasbro representative has given me permission to offer this book for the first time ever to you fine collectors. The emphasis of the book is certainly on the 3 3/4" Joes, but it does include sections on the original G.I.Joes, as well as even a small segment on Super Joe (!) There are word search puzzles, a crossword puzzle (something I swear I will never do again), and over three hundred trivia questions across multiple categories. Oh, yeah, and an answer section. All within the 44 pages of this 5 1/2" x 8 1/2" book. Price is $6.00, which accounts for printing (okay, copying) costs and postage. This book is identical, except for a new introductory page, to the one made for Toy Fair, and remains just as "official". E-mail me if you're interested at ! YO JOE! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.8 --------------- From: Strmshdw99 Subject: Re: GI Joe Lyrics Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:26:41 EDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 97-10-21 01:34:40 EDT, you write: << >Anyone have the lyrics for the GI Joe song that began with .... >"Crashing through the night, comes the evil cry of COBRA" Yeppers! My memory's a tad rusty, but here's how it goes as I recall: >> I have this in wav format, if anyone wants it let me know and I can email it to them. Its a damn cool song(quite possibly the best part of the movie :) Josh --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.9 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Songs Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:10:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit also in issue one, Rock and Roll gives us "Get back, Cobra!" (which I take to be a Beatles reference) and plays some "Wipeout" on his RAM gatling. A little hokey, but there y'are. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.10 --------------- From: David Williams Subject: Attached Files and Digest #317 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:56:26 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All, Would everyone please refrain from attaching files to messages sent to the listserv. I receive the digest version of the mailing list and this is what the attached files look like in the digest: fEunc8cRHj9a09tDuTytbnk+xeTtwPbNWbWA3l3bWiglpZVQDPTJFeheIvg7qWheH7nVU1iz vRbYZ4Ik2sUJ5I55xWD8O9PW+8eaejYKQ7pzz6Dj9SKuM1LYOp9Awr9khjgzlYoxH1pcy7iX dQnbYOR/jSXNxvZ5FUckkfT0piy5wwBwf4H7VlI0bPLfGGheMdd1PWINzPo9gDcQuxwjrjOF PfvXlyIZGTkHI4x0r6Q8X3/2P4davcA7RtETD/eyvSvI/Bvw6v8AxVo51CHVLSygV/LBmXcS cc/SqhOy1M3ds5XCLCEwN3UmmDIBJQEP27ivVF+BN2cOfFtivuLc8fXmnj4HTtgP4xsSoOeL Now imagine 32 pages of that. Digest #317 was 95k!!!! So please, if you want to send a file to someone who requests it, please send it to them *directly* and save everyone who reads the digest some eyestrain. 8) Thank you for your time. David Williams asr@mindless.com "You'd be surprised how hard it is to get a place in the city. Nevermind, that most folks are hesitant to rent to a slime-based organism, much less one with intentions of taking over the world..." --Thrakkorzog, "The Tick vs. The Uncommon Cold" --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.11 --------------- From: Conor Malone Subject: Attatchments Are Bad Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:20:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710211653.MAA28155@stimpy.globecomm.net> This is a reminder to everyone not to include attatchments of any kind with their e-mail that gets sent to the mailing list. Below is an e-mail from a digest subscriber who was none to pleased when viewing a recent digest. If this continues to be a problem then I'll have to start enforcing this rule a little tougher. > Mr. Malone, > > I have enjoyed reading the G.I. Joe Digest, but I have run into a major > problem. I keep getting Digests where some less considerate members of the > mailing list have attached files to their messages. This is a but a small > sample from the latest digest: > > fEunc8cRHj9a09tDuTytbnk+xeTtwPbNWbWA3l3bWiglpZVQDPTJFeheIvg7qWheH7nVU1iz > vRbYZ4Ik2sUJ5I55xWD8O9PW+8eaejYKQ7pzz6Dj9SKuM1LYOp9Awr9khjgzlYoxH1pcy7iX > dQnbYOR/jSXNxvZ5FUckkfT0piy5wwBwf4H7VlI0bPLfGGheMdd1PWINzPo9gDcQuxwjrjOF > PfvXlyIZGTkHI4x0r6Q8X3/2P4davcA7RtETD/eyvSvI/Bvw6v8AxVo51CHVLSygV/LBmXcS > cc/SqhOy1M3ds5XCLCEwN3UmmDIBJQEP27ivVF+BN2cOfFtivuLc8fXmnj4HTtgP4xsSoOeL > > The last digest was 95k because of attached files like this taking up space. > Please tell me there is something you can do about this. Not only is it a > total waste, I have to spend the time creating a new email, editing out the > gibberish and mailing it back to myself so I don't have to wade through all > of it. If this kind of thing doesn't stop I am unfortunately gonna have to > leave the list. Can you please help? > Hopefully, we won't have this problem any more. Thanks, Conor -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Conor Malone cmalone@yahoo-inc.com Yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Technical Yahoo! Do You Yahoo!? My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Inc. 3400 Central Expressway Suite 201 Santa Clara, CA 95051 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.12 --------------- From: Tony Subject: Re: Attached Files and Digest #317 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:09:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:56 PM 10/21/97 -0400, you wrote: > >All, > >Would everyone please refrain from attaching files to messages sent to the >listserv. I receive the digest version of the mailing list and this is what >the attached files look like in the digest: > >fEunc8cRHj9a09tDuTytbnk+xeTtwPbNWbWA3l3bWiglpZVQDPTJFeheIvg7qWheH7nVU1iz >vRbYZ4Ik2sUJ5I55xWD8O9PW+8eaejYKQ7pzz6Dj9SKuM1LYOp9Awr9khjgzlYoxH1pcy7iX >dQnbYOR/jSXNxvZ5FUckkfT0piy5wwBwf4H7VlI0bPLfGGheMdd1PWINzPo9gDcQuxwjrjOF >PfvXlyIZGTkHI4x0r6Q8X3/2P4davcA7RtETD/eyvSvI/Bvw6v8AxVo51CHVLSygV/LBmXcS >cc/SqhOy1M3ds5XCLCEwN3UmmDIBJQEP27ivVF+BN2cOfFtivuLc8fXmnj4HTtgP4xsSoOeL > >Now imagine 32 pages of that. Digest #317 was 95k!!!! So please, if you >want to send a file to someone who requests it, please send it to them >*directly* and save everyone who reads the digest some eyestrain. 8) Thank >you for your time. > >David Williams >asr@mindless.com I have to agree here. This has been hapening more and more lately and I don't like downloading every picture someone wants to send to the group. Tony --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.13 --------------- From: johne Subject: Re: Two Airbornes??? Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:58:56 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710171612.JAA00564@lists1.best.com> There are two different Airbornes. The one in the comic is the original. He was made into a figure in '84. The Sky Patrol Airborne, is a completely different "person." The name selection in this case was done poorly. John P. > I know the Sky Patrol Airborne, and there is the Air-borne in the comics. > Does anyone else find this confusing?? I was looking over my comics and > found this problem. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.14 --------------- From: johne Subject: Re: Skidmark? Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:05:50 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710180843.BAA08520@lists1.best.com> Tollbooth had cameos in several episodes including "The Germ" and "The Pyramid of Darkness" mini-series. Frostbite appeared briefly in "Eau de Cobra." Heavy Metal had an extensive role in "The Pit of Vipers." Otherwise these characters didn't get much attention. Thinking about it, I am particularly surprised about Heavy Metal, being that he was the driver of the Mauler. As many times as the Mauler was used it is quite strange. John P. > ..... I seem to recall that most of the > drivers after the first few years of the Joes were mostly left out of > the limelight, or only certain drivers/vehicles were featured (For > instance, I can't recall seeing Tollbooth, Frostbite, Heavy Metal, or > Keel Haul on the GIJoe cartoon , and yet at > least Cross-Country and Life-Ticket got appearances release> on the show..... --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.15 --------------- From: hz399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. J. Karlisle) Subject: Scarlett Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:45:51 -0400 (EDT) yeah, Scarlett probably should have been drawn without a "knockout, busty, perfect body"... but she definitely looked good when drawn by Adam Hughes in a pinup in one of the yearbooks... ;) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n318.16 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Sorry again Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:01:38 EDT Once again, I have to apoligize for using the list for this, but by crazy computer has decided to take my list of addresses and send it to Abu Dabi. Gabriel, this is to let you know that I got the Joes. Thanks. Joe --------------- END gijoe.v001.n318 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:55:59 1998 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n319 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n319 -------------- 001 - "Corey D. & Angela D. Sti - Announcing: a new GI Joe web page! 002 - Eugene - Re: Skidmark? 003 - Chris Rodgers - Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? 018 - Santiago Subject: Announcing: a new GI Joe web page! Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:05:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ANNOUNCING YO! JOE.COM Hey everyone! I'm proud to announce the addition of a great new GI Joe: A Real American Hero collector's resource to the Internet. Yo! Joe.com is the result of a consolidation between three web pages that everyone is probably familiar with, they are: Eugene Son's Yo! Joe - GI Joe 3 3/4" Archive formerly Conor Malone's Command Center: The Pit formerly Corey Stinson's Newsletter HQ formerly You might be asking: why the merge? Conor aquired the domain name yojoe.com after discovering it hadn't been grabbed yet. Not long after the idea was kicked around about combining resources to form one big GI Joe: A Real American Hero collector's resource. Thus, Yo! Joe.com was born. All the features you knew and loved at each of the web sites listed above are now available in one place. Free from disk space and bandwidth constraints, all three webmasters are able to continue improving and adding to their respective areas to provide you, the GI Joe 3 3/4" collector, with a concise, detailed, and best of all _free_ GI Joe collecting resource. We hope that you enjoy Yo! Joe.com and hope that GI Joe collecting community is a better place because it exists. Yo Joe! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.2 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Skidmark? Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:11:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199710180843.BAA08520@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199710212116.OAA16697@lists1.best.com> At 3:05 PM -0600 10/21/97, johne wrote: >Tollbooth had cameos in several episodes including "The Germ" and "The >Pyramid of Darkness" mini-series. Frostbite appeared briefly in "Eau de >Cobra." Heavy Metal had an extensive role in "The Pit of Vipers." >Otherwise these characters didn't get much attention. Thinking about it, >I am particularly surprised about Heavy Metal, being that he was the driver >of the Mauler. As many times as the Mauler was used it is quite strange. I'm just guessing here, but I bet it's because they concentrated on selling the vehicles more than they concentrated on selling the vehicle drivers. Why bother making the kids want to buy Frostbite, Heavy Metal, or Tollbooth when you can get them to want to buy the vehicle? Too bad. When the minds behind the cartoon wanted to sell the individual action figures, they had entire episodes spotlighting them. Not only did they have a perfect commercial for the action figure, they really created some great characters along the way. -Eugene eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe! - --------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.3 --------------- From: Chris Rodgers Subject: Re: Announcing: a new GI Joe web page! Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:15:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think you guys did a superb job on a great web page. Chris ---"Corey D. & Angela D. Stinson" wrote: > > ANNOUNCING YO! JOE.COM > > > Hey everyone! I'm proud to announce the addition of a great new GI Joe: > A Real American Hero collector's resource to the Internet. Yo! Joe.com is > the result of a consolidation between three web pages that everyone is > probably familiar with, they are: > > Eugene Son's Yo! Joe - GI Joe 3 3/4" Archive > formerly > Conor Malone's Command Center: The Pit > formerly > Corey Stinson's Newsletter HQ > formerly > > You might be asking: why the merge? Conor aquired the domain name > yojoe.com after discovering it hadn't been grabbed yet. Not long after the > idea was kicked around about combining resources to form one big GI Joe: A > Real American Hero collector's resource. Thus, Yo! Joe.com was born. All > the features you knew and loved at each of the web sites listed above are > now available in one place. Free from disk space and bandwidth constraints, > all three webmasters are able to continue improving and adding to their > respective areas to provide you, the GI Joe 3 3/4" collector, with a > concise, detailed, and best of all _free_ GI Joe collecting resource. We > hope that you enjoy Yo! Joe.com and hope that GI Joe collecting community is > a better place because it exists. > > Yo Joe! > > > _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.4 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:14:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ever wonder why Cobra's ranks never seemed to include blacks? No African-Americans, no Africans, no "Cobras of color" at all. Granted, you can't tell what a STUN driver might look like under his face-plate, but even in the comics, I'm pretty sure there's never a non-white Viper. I suppose Hasbro's reasoning for this is that most of the Cobra characters are neutral in terms of ethnicity, so no group or nationality comes off looking evil or stereotyped. But it does create a lily-white group of bad guys. So, what's your opinion? Is racism part of Cobra's doctrine? High John (Weapons Do Not Shoot) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.5 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: Desert Fox and other vehicles Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:30:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 01:57 AM 10/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >ONe thing I've noticed is how vehicles tended NOT to stick around much, >save for aircraft. The Vamp was replaced by the Vamp Mk. II, which was >replaced by the AWE striker, Desert Fox, Hammer, and finally the thing >which appeared in the last several issues from the 12" line that started >with an M or something. ------> Rhino-? -Gary ............................................ "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." -T.J. ............................................ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.6 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:36:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710221514.IAA29603@lists1.best.com> On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Christopher Edwards wrote: > I suppose Hasbro's reasoning for this is that most of the Cobra characters > are neutral in terms of ethnicity, so no group or nationality comes off > looking evil or stereotyped. But it does create a lily-white group of bad > guys. > > So, what's your opinion? Is racism part of Cobra's doctrine? I'm going to say probably. I mean, CC seemed to be of the Hitlerian school (how many remember the homage to the classic film "The Hitler Gang" in an earlier ep of Joe?), and I wouldn't be surprised if Cobra does a lot of its recruiting at KKK and Militia meetings... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.7 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:42:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 11:14 AM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >Ever wonder why Cobra's ranks never seemed to include blacks? No >African-Americans, no Africans, no "Cobras of color" at all. Granted, you >can't tell what a STUN >driver might look like under his face-plate, but even in the comics, I'm >pretty sure there's never a non-white Viper. > I suppose Hasbro's reasoning for this is that most of the Cobra characters >are neutral in terms of ethnicity, so no group or nationality comes off >looking evil or stereotyped. But it does create a lily-white group of bad >guys. > >So, what's your opinion? Is racism part of Cobra's doctrine? > Yo Joes: Oh, Heavens, yes! Cobra is bad to the core. Evil, plain and simple. Hate is part of this and therein lies the racism. It's just like the Galactic Empire (Star Wars). Their ranks are replete with lily-white humans: No Asians, no wookies, etc., period. -Gary ----------------------------------->< "We are all people of color..."---------->< ----------------------------------------------->< --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.8 --------------- From: "Davis, Kyle x01276f4" Subject: Observations Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:49:49 -0400 First off, congrats to the guys that put together Yojoe.com! Excellent site! This is the sort of definitive resource that Joe needed on the Web. After looking though some of the stuff, I noticed that after about 1988 (the last year I collected), even the quality of the catalog covers decreased. I almost became physically ill when I saw the 'Joe Tough' catalog cover... Hopefully the new focus for Hasbro is on retaining the quality that Joe had back in 83, 84, 85, etc. When I think of G.I. Joe, I automatically think of the 1985-86 team members. They seem to be the core of G.I. Joe... Kyle --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.9 --------------- From: fortunex@juno.com (B L H) Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:47:45 -0500 References: <199710221514.IAA29603@lists1.best.com> >Ever wonder why Cobra's ranks never seemed to include blacks? No >African-Americans, no Africans, no "Cobras of color" at all. I saw one in the episode "The Traitor!" He was replaced by Dusty as a lieutenant, then fought him in a special arena filled with piranha in an attempt to win his title back. Claymore was his name, I believe. He helped the twins keep an eye on Dusty and even ended up saving Cobra Commander's butt in the end! Hee hee!! -Fortune --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.10 --------------- From: KISSFANSCA@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n318 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:39:58 -0400 (EDT) A few days ago someone commented on the current age of Snake Eyes, Stormie and Stalker. I believe the age of Snake Eyes was calculated to be 48 based on his serving in Vietnam during the Tet offensive. As I recall Wild Bill, Duke, Wade Collins and even Destro were involved in the Vietnam war in one way or another. And I'm sure there were quite a few other characters that also had Vietnam on their resume'. Since the comic and 3 3/4" toyline started in the early 80's (1982 I think), then Snake Eyes' age would have been approx. 33 when the first issue was released. I think this would have been a fairly realistic age for someone with his training and expertise. Since Snake Eyes' figure is soon to be released again by Hasbro, obviously the company is not going to "age" him to look like it's 15 years later. Heck, by now Scarlett would look closer to Ann Margaret than the red headed version of Jenny McCarthy we are used to. So the question is, "Where did Snake Eyes find the fountain of youth?" The answer in my mind is, He didn't. The G.I. Joe story (For lack of a better term) is not in our universe. It's not real. It's make believe. So if the comic were ever to come back, they wouldn't have to explain anything. Hama could continue right where he left off. If Peter Parker can forever look like he's 25, why couldn't Snakes always look like he's 33? Anyway that's just my goofy mind rambling. Heck, you know I wouldn't be thinking of something productive. I have a couple questions for the crew out there in Joe land. Who has the biggest 3 3/4" collection? Who has the most figures? I'm just curious. Also I haven't collected comic books since shortly after the Joe comic was cancelled. So could someone tell me if Larry Hama is still with Marvel and what comic books does he write. Thanks and a "Yo Joe!" to you all.. Jeff --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.11 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:27:49 -0400 (EDT) For the most part, we can agree that Cobra isn't signed up for Affirmative Action, and doesn't have a human resources manager to handle hiring disputes (guess who's taking his Management major to heart a little too much :). At least one black appears though. Lt Claymore, not to be confused with Claymore from the Mission Brazil set, is a black man who appears in the cartoon episode The Traitor. Just a typical Cobra Soldier, who happens to not wear a mask and has a decent-sized role. Brian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.12 --------------- From: Santiago Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:52:07 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I suppose Hasbro's reasoning for this is that most of the Cobra characters > are neutral in terms of ethnicity, so no group or nationality comes off > looking evil or stereotyped. But it does create a lily-white group of bad > guys. This topic is really very interesting. Her's my initial take on it: First off, I see a few problems with this statement, John. The idea that these characters, by being white, are "neutral in terms of ethnicity" both degrades and elevates whites and "whiteness" all at once. On the one hand, the statement constructs "whiteness" as devoid of all ethnicity, when this certainly is not true. On the other hand, it raises "whiteness" to the position of neutral -> basic -> normal(!) Either way, it's a difficult statement to reconcile... And if Cobra is all-white, then don't whites come off looking "evil or stereotyped?" Since this is a fantasy world, and since the binary opposition of good versus evil is more important that any discussion about "race" or ethnicity, I wouldn't even entertain such notions. Cobra is evil, whether its ranks are made up of white, blacks, or whatever "race." Now there are a few members of Cobra who have ethnic identities other than "white" and who, unfortunately, cater to stereotypes. Take Storm Shadow, for example. He's Japanese. Japan has been accused of attempting to "take over the world" more than once, and "Jap-Bashing" is still prevalent... So Storm Shadow being in Cobra doesn't help the WWII idea of the Japanese as "evil." In GI Joe, the general idea is that America is leading the world in the fight against Cobra, so the Storm-Shadow dynamic makes it look like America vs. Japan all over again. The Baroness is from somewhere in Europe (I don't know) but she sure seems like the second half of Boris and Natasha to me... Stereotypical Russian/German/what-have-you secret agent/femme fatale. BTW, a lot of the Cobra characters are skilled in the use of "Warsar Pact" arms, as opposed to "NATO" arms... Here's more of that USA vs. Europe dynamic. In fact, most of the early Cobra figures were not "American" (i.e. "neutral white") or were not born in the USA: Destro: If Destro is really a descendant of the Man in the Iron Mask, as he claimed to be in the cartoon, I believe, then he's probably French of Italian! The novel by Alexander Dumas is set in France during the reign of Louix XIV. The king, supposedly,keeps his twin brother prisoner in an irn mask... Major Bludd: Was born in Sidney, Australia. Torch: Botany Bay, New South Wales, Australia Ripper: Grim Cape, Tasmania Buzzer: Cambridge, England Monkeywrench: Rhyl, North Wales Zanzibar: Cayman Islands Thrasher: Probably Australia There is speculation that Zartan, Zarana, and Zandar were all bron in Australia along with Major Bludd and most of the Dreadnoks. Now, I'm no History major, but I do seem to recall that Australia was a "prison colony" for Britain during the age of Imperialism... This was where all the criminals and scum of British society were sent to rot. All the Australians we've seen in GI Joe so far are simpletons and degenerates... Tomax&Xamot: Born on an island in the Mediterranean Crystal Ball: Born of a Romalian (?) father and a mother from Maine(!) Yeah, he has an American mother, but he's portrayed as some bizare gypsy-type, complete with evil eyes and fur-lined coat. Ridiculous. Well, I'm out of filecards, but I'm sure that you the point. I wouldn't construct the Joe vs. Cobra conflict as an "enlightened multicultural force" versus "white supremacists" type of conflict. Rather, I'd call it an "America" vs. "The World" scenario, with the good ole US of A always coming out on top. So, what do you think? There's a lot more to add to the discussion, and I certainly welcome all comments. PEACE, James > > So, what's your opinion? Is racism part of Cobra's doctrine? PS I remember seeing a black, female strato-viper (?) in one of the episodes... She and some joes had crashed on an island, or something... I think they fought the monster in Destro's castle... Anyone remember? Or am I just wrong? --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.13 --------------- From: Santiago Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:53:25 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I suppose Hasbro's reasoning for this is that most of the Cobra characters > are neutral in terms of ethnicity, so no group or nationality comes off > looking evil or stereotyped. But it does create a lily-white group of bad > guys. This topic is really very interesting. Here's my initial take on it: First off, I see a few problems with this statement, John. The idea that these characters, by being white, are "neutral in terms of ethnicity" both degrades and elevates whites and "whiteness" all at once. On the one hand, the statement constructs "whiteness" as devoid of all ethnicity, when this certainly is not true. On the other hand, it raises "whiteness" to the position of neutral -> basic -> normal(!) Either way, it's a difficult statement to reconcile... And if Cobra is all-white, then don't whites come off looking "evil or stereotyped?" Since this is a fantasy world, and since the binary opposition of good versus evil is more important that any discussion about "race" or ethnicity, I wouldn't even entertain such notions. Cobra is evil, whether its ranks are made up of white, blacks, or whatever "race." Now there are a few members of Cobra who have ethnic identities other than "white" and who, unfortunately, cater to stereotypes. Take Storm Shadow, for example. He's Japanese. Japan has been accused of attempting to "take over the world" more than once, and "Jap-Bashing" is still prevalent... So Storm Shadow being in Cobra doesn't help the WWII idea of the Japanese as "evil." In GI Joe, the general idea is that America is leading the world in the fight against Cobra, so the Storm-Shadow dynamic makes it look like America vs. Japan all over again. The Baroness is from somewhere in Europe (I don't know) but she sure seems like the second half of Boris and Natasha to me... Stereotypical Russian/German/what-have-you secret agent/femme fatale. BTW, a lot of the Cobra characters are skilled in the use of "Warsar Pact" arms, as opposed to "NATO" arms... Here's more of that USA vs. Europe dynamic. In fact, most of the early Cobra figures were not "American" (i.e. "neutral white") or were not born in the USA: Destro: If Destro is really a descendant of the Man in the Iron Mask, as he claimed to be in the cartoon, I believe, then he's probably French of Italian! The novel by Alexander Dumas is set in France during the reign of Louix XIV. The king, supposedly,keeps his twin brother prisoner in an irn mask... Major Bludd: Was born in Sidney, Australia. Torch: Botany Bay, New South Wales, Australia Ripper: Grim Cape, Tasmania Buzzer: Cambridge, England Monkeywrench: Rhyl, North Wales Zanzibar: Cayman Islands Thrasher: Probably Australia There is speculation that Zartan, Zarana, and Zandar were all bron in Australia along with Major Bludd and most of the Dreadnoks. Now, I'm no History major, but I do seem to recall that Australia was a "prison colony" for Britain during the age of Imperialism... This was where all the criminals and scum of British society were sent to rot. All the Australians we've seen in GI Joe so far are simpletons and degenerates... Tomax&Xamot: Born on an island in the Mediterranean Crystal Ball: Born of a Romalian (?) father and a mother from Maine(!) Yeah, he has an American mother, but he's portrayed as some bizare gypsy-type, complete with evil eyes and fur-lined coat. Ridiculous. Well, I'm out of filecards, but I'm sure that you the point. I wouldn't construct the Joe vs. Cobra conflict as an "enlightened multicultural force" versus "white supremacists" type of conflict. Rather, I'd call it an "America" vs. "The World" scenario, with the good ole US of A always coming out on top. So, what do you think? There's a lot more to add to the discussion, and I certainly welcome all comments. PEACE, James > > So, what's your opinion? Is racism part of Cobra's doctrine? PS I remember seeing a black, female strato-viper (?) in one of the episodes... She and some joes had crashed on an island, or something... I think they fought the monster in Destro's castle... Anyone remember? Or am I just wrong? --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.14 --------------- From: Michele or Gabe Riggle Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:14:00 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:52 PM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote: > > > >> I suppose Hasbro's reasoning for this is that most of the Cobra characters >> are neutral in terms of ethnicity, so no group or nationality comes off >> looking evil or stereotyped. But it does create a lily-white group of bad >> guys. > >This topic is really very interesting. Her's my initial take on it: > >First off, I see a few problems with this statement, John. The idea that >these characters, by being white, are "neutral in terms of ethnicity" both >degrades and elevates whites and "whiteness" all at once. On the one hand, >the statement constructs "whiteness" as devoid of all ethnicity, when this >certainly is not true. On the other hand, it raises "whiteness" to the >position of neutral -> basic -> normal(!) Either way, it's a difficult >statement to reconcile... > >And if Cobra is all-white, then don't whites come off looking "evil or >stereotyped?" Since this is a fantasy world, and since the binary >opposition of good versus evil is more important that any discussion about >"race" or ethnicity, I wouldn't even entertain such notions. Cobra is >evil, whether its ranks are made up of white, blacks, or whatever "race." > >Now there are a few members of Cobra who have ethnic identities other than >"white" and who, unfortunately, cater to stereotypes. Take Storm Shadow, >for example. He's Japanese. Japan has been accused of attempting to "take >over the world" more than once, and "Jap-Bashing" is still prevalent... So >Storm Shadow being in Cobra doesn't help the WWII idea of the Japanese as >"evil." In GI Joe, the general idea is that America is leading the world >in the fight against Cobra, so the Storm-Shadow dynamic makes it look like >America vs. Japan all over again. > >The Baroness is from somewhere in Europe (I don't know) but she sure seems >like the second half of Boris and Natasha to me... Stereotypical >Russian/German/what-have-you secret agent/femme fatale. BTW, a lot of the >Cobra characters are skilled in the use of "Warsar Pact" arms, as opposed >to "NATO" arms... Here's more of that USA vs. Europe dynamic. > >In fact, most of the early Cobra figures were not "American" (i.e. >"neutral white") or were not born in the USA: > >Destro: >If Destro is really a descendant of the Man in the Iron Mask, as >he claimed to be in the cartoon, I believe, then he's probably French of >Italian! The novel by Alexander Dumas is set in France during the reign of >Louix XIV. The king, supposedly,keeps his twin brother prisoner in an irn >mask... > >Major Bludd: >Was born in Sidney, Australia. > >Torch: >Botany Bay, New South Wales, Australia > >Ripper: >Grim Cape, Tasmania > >Buzzer: >Cambridge, England > >Monkeywrench: >Rhyl, North Wales > >Zanzibar: >Cayman Islands > >Thrasher: >Probably Australia > >There is speculation that Zartan, Zarana, and Zandar were all bron in >Australia along with Major Bludd and most of the Dreadnoks. Now, I'm no >History major, but I do seem to recall that Australia was a "prison >colony" for Britain during the age of Imperialism... This was where all >the criminals and scum of British society were sent to rot. All the >Australians we've seen in GI Joe so far are simpletons and degenerates... > >Tomax&Xamot: Born on an island in the Mediterranean > >Crystal Ball: >Born of a Romalian (?) father and a mother from Maine(!) Yeah, he has an >American mother, but he's portrayed as some bizare gypsy-type, complete >with evil eyes and fur-lined coat. Ridiculous. > >Well, I'm out of filecards, but I'm sure that you the point. I wouldn't >construct the Joe vs. Cobra conflict as an "enlightened multicultural >force" versus "white supremacists" type of conflict. Rather, I'd call it >an "America" vs. "The World" scenario, with the good ole US of A always >coming out on top. > >So, what do you think? There's a lot more to add to the discussion, and I >certainly welcome all comments. > >PEACE, >James > >> >> So, what's your opinion? Is racism part of Cobra's doctrine? > >PS I remember seeing a black, female strato-viper (?) in one of the >episodes... She and some joes had crashed on an island, or something... I >think they fought the monster in Destro's castle... Anyone remember? Or am >I just wrong? > > > >Her and Slip Stream were in air combat and crashed on a island that cobra had a lab on. I think it was something like that. I also remember the Strato Viper had had experiments done to her. They fought a monster or something. Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.15 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:32:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Destro is Scottish! Not French or Italian. And as Mike Myers would say, "If it's not Scottish, it's crap!" I think it is definitely more of a USA vs. the world type of scenario. Of course, you can't make all of the Cobra's look like one nation, and giving them non-white soldiers might piss someone off. I think it had more to do with the tie in to the toys, which were "white", because it was cheaper to produce. Although, now that you mention it, there was a few different Bespin guards in the Star Wars toys. Maybe, when the re-release takes off again Hasbro will produce a few different Cobra Officers. On Wednesday, October 22, 1997 6:53 PM, Santiago [SMTP:jmercado@phoenix.Princeton.EDU] wrote: > > > I suppose Hasbro's reasoning for this is that most of the Cobra characters > > are neutral in terms of ethnicity, so no group or nationality comes off > > looking evil or stereotyped. But it does create a lily-white group of bad > > guys. > > This topic is really very interesting. Here's my initial take on it: > > First off, I see a few problems with this statement, John. The idea that > these characters, by being white, are "neutral in terms of ethnicity" both > degrades and elevates whites and "whiteness" all at once. On the one hand, > the statement constructs "whiteness" as devoid of all ethnicity, when this > certainly is not true. On the other hand, it raises "whiteness" to the > position of neutral -> basic -> normal(!) Either way, it's a difficult > statement to reconcile... > > And if Cobra is all-white, then don't whites come off looking "evil or > stereotyped?" Since this is a fantasy world, and since the binary > opposition of good versus evil is more important that any discussion about > "race" or ethnicity, I wouldn't even entertain such notions. Cobra is > evil, whether its ranks are made up of white, blacks, or whatever "race." > > Now there are a few members of Cobra who have ethnic identities other than > "white" and who, unfortunately, cater to stereotypes. Take Storm Shadow, > for example. He's Japanese. Japan has been accused of attempting to "take > over the world" more than once, and "Jap-Bashing" is still prevalent... So > Storm Shadow being in Cobra doesn't help the WWII idea of the Japanese as > "evil." In GI Joe, the general idea is that America is leading the world > in the fight against Cobra, so the Storm-Shadow dynamic makes it look like > America vs. Japan all over again. > > The Baroness is from somewhere in Europe (I don't know) but she sure seems > like the second half of Boris and Natasha to me... Stereotypical > Russian/German/what-have-you secret agent/femme fatale. BTW, a lot of the > Cobra characters are skilled in the use of "Warsar Pact" arms, as opposed > to "NATO" arms... Here's more of that USA vs. Europe dynamic. > > In fact, most of the early Cobra figures were not "American" (i.e. > "neutral white") or were not born in the USA: > > Destro: > If Destro is really a descendant of the Man in the Iron Mask, as > he claimed to be in the cartoon, I believe, then he's probably French of > Italian! The novel by Alexander Dumas is set in France during the reign of > Louix XIV. The king, supposedly,keeps his twin brother prisoner in an irn > mask... > > Major Bludd: > Was born in Sidney, Australia. > > Torch: > Botany Bay, New South Wales, Australia > > Ripper: > Grim Cape, Tasmania > > Buzzer: > Cambridge, England > > Monkeywrench: > Rhyl, North Wales > > Zanzibar: > Cayman Islands > > Thrasher: > Probably Australia > > There is speculation that Zartan, Zarana, and Zandar were all bron in > Australia along with Major Bludd and most of the Dreadnoks. Now, I'm no > History major, but I do seem to recall that Australia was a "prison > colony" for Britain during the age of Imperialism... This was where all > the criminals and scum of British society were sent to rot. All the > Australians we've seen in GI Joe so far are simpletons and degenerates... > > Tomax&Xamot: Born on an island in the Mediterranean > > Crystal Ball: > Born of a Romalian (?) father and a mother from Maine(!) Yeah, he has an > American mother, but he's portrayed as some bizare gypsy-type, complete > with evil eyes and fur-lined coat. Ridiculous. > > Well, I'm out of filecards, but I'm sure that you the point. I wouldn't > construct the Joe vs. Cobra conflict as an "enlightened multicultural > force" versus "white supremacists" type of conflict. Rather, I'd call it > an "America" vs. "The World" scenario, with the good ole US of A always > coming out on top. > > So, what do you think? There's a lot more to add to the discussion, and I > certainly welcome all comments. > > PEACE, > James > > > > > So, what's your opinion? Is racism part of Cobra's doctrine? > > PS I remember seeing a black, female strato-viper (?) in one of the > episodes... She and some joes had crashed on an island, or something... I > think they fought the monster in Destro's castle... Anyone remember? Or am > I just wrong? > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.16 --------------- From: Santiago Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:49:40 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710222342.QAA23914@lists1.best.com> Guys - sorry about the multiple post!! Twas my first post, and I'd been having trouble posting to the group... again, my apologies! So now that you guys had several opportunities to read my message: any comments? PEACE, James --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.17 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:07:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710222329.QAA17825@lists1.best.com> At 7:27 PM -0400 10/22/97, ForceFull1@aol.com wrote: >For the most part, we can agree that Cobra isn't signed up for Affirmative >Action, and doesn't have a human resources manager to handle hiring disputes >(guess who's taking his Management major to heart a little too much :). At >least one black appears though. Lt Claymore, not to be confused with >Claymore from the Mission Brazil set, is a black man who appears in the >cartoon episode The Traitor. Just a typical Cobra Soldier, who happens to >not wear a mask and has a decent-sized role. True - in the cartoon, Cobra has Claymore. More obvious is that Cobra has WOMEN - lots of them. Can you even imagine how much sexual harrasment those women were subjected to? But it makes sense that Cobra has women. From what I remember, Cobra troopers are motivated solely by their evil lust for money and power. And I know plenty of evil women. ;) -Eugene eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe! - --------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n319.18 --------------- From: Santiago Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:03:45 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Adam Bernay wrote: > > I'm going to say probably. I mean, CC seemed to be of the Hitlerian > school (how many remember the homage to the classic film "The Hitler Gang" > in an earlier ep of Joe?), and I wouldn't be surprised if Cobra does a lot > of its recruiting at KKK and Militia meetings... Adam- I don't remember this ep, nor am I familiar with the film "The Hitler Gang." Could you please elaborate on both points? Thanks! PEACE, James --------------- END gijoe.v001.n319 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:56:03 1998 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:43:27 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n320 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n320 -------------- 001 - Rod Hannah - Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? 012 - Black Shadow Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:40:52 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710221637.JAA05829@lists1.best.com> Adam Bernay wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Christopher Edwards wrote: > > > I suppose Hasbro's reasoning for this is that most of the Cobra characters > > are neutral in terms of ethnicity, so no group or nationality comes off > > looking evil or stereotyped. But it does create a lily-white group of bad > > guys. > > > > So, what's your opinion? Is racism part of Cobra's doctrine? > > I'm going to say probably. I mean, CC seemed to be of the Hitlerian > school (how many remember the homage to the classic film "The Hitler Gang" > in an earlier ep of Joe?), and I wouldn't be surprised if Cobra does a lot > of its recruiting at KKK and Militia meetings... > > Adam Bernay > CODE NAME: Maccabee Well regarding the cartoon, we have to remember political correctness was beginning to seep in. We had a Strato viper who was.. get this, female, and black american. There weren't many females in the toon either. there was a blond cobra officer in at least two stories.. one of them she cause Baroness to get a little jealous when she goes all mushy on Destro. But regarding the Hitler stuff. Remember issue 84, my favorite issue. It sowed Cobra commander when he was starting out.. having small meetings in his motel room, or at the local kindergarten. He had only two or three guys round to begin with. Like Hitler he no doubt played on such thing as racial tension, anti-patriotism etc.. to get the support he needed to start up. All he really wanted was to be in a position of power to make the changes he thought were needed, granted that he was almost mad. While this isn't direclty on topic. I found cobra commanders return in issue 98 to be very chilling. He was freaky, the black suit helped. He was totally bad, really without scruples. Lived up to his filecard, and managed to make me hate him. think about those guys trapped in that freighter all those months. Cobra continued to operate on the island all that time. No one appeared to make the effort to do anything about it. Chilling. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.2 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:39:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710230412.VAA23471@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Santiago wrote: > > I'm going to say probably. I mean, CC seemed to be of the Hitlerian > > school (how many remember the homage to the classic film "The Hitler Gang" > > in an earlier ep of Joe?), and I wouldn't be surprised if Cobra does a lot > > of its recruiting at KKK and Militia meetings... > > I don't remember this ep, nor am I familiar with the film "The Hitler > Gang." Could you please elaborate on both points? Thanks! "The Hitler Gang" is a parody of the facists of WWII, and features Charlie Chaplin as Hitler, who dances around with a large globe of the Earth in his arms, and a retread of that scene is used in an episode. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.3 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:38:29 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710222345.QAA24702@lists1.best.com> Santiago wrote: > First off, I see a few problems with this statement, John. The idea that > these characters, by being white, are "neutral in terms of ethnicity" both > degrades and elevates whites and "whiteness" all at once. On the one hand, > the statement constructs "whiteness" as devoid of all ethnicity, when this > certainly is not true. On the other hand, it raises "whiteness" to the > position of neutral -> basic -> normal(!) Either way, it's a difficult > statement to reconcile... I don't know if its just me or my cold, but I struggled to follow this sentence. Its like those questions you get in exams. The person who write it know what their talking about. :-) I'm pretty tired too. <> > Now there are a few members of Cobra who have ethnic identities other than > "white" and who, unfortunately, cater to stereotypes. Take Storm Shadow, > for example. He's Japanese. Japan has been accused of attempting to "take > over the world" more than once, and "Jap-Bashing" is still prevalent... So > Storm Shadow being in Cobra doesn't help the WWII idea of the Japanese as > "evil." In GI Joe, the general idea is that America is leading the world > in the fight against Cobra, so the Storm-Shadow dynamic makes it look like > America vs. Japan all over again. Storm Shadow wasn't realy bad. Well he was kind of. Basically he was a guy who was desperate to prove his innocence and clear his name of the murder of his uncle. He got pretty ruthless and might have lost touch with his morals in doing so. But he returned to normal later. For the majority of the comic he has been on the side of good. I'd say for about 75% of the issues. I see no connection at all to this American vs Jap thing mentioned above. << Baroness land of origin snipped >> > Destro: > If Destro is really a descendant of the Man in the Iron Mask, as > he claimed to be in the cartoon, I believe, then he's probably French of > Italian! The novel by Alexander Dumas is set in France during the reign of > Louix XIV. The king, supposedly,keeps his twin brother prisoner in an irn > mask... I thought Destro was born in Scotland. His scottish castle... his scottish soldiers, his scottish everything. Were you aware of this? << Dreadnoks all born in Australia or Britain snippeD>> > There is speculation that Zartan, Zarana, and Zandar were all bron in > Australia along with Major Bludd and most of the Dreadnoks. Now, I'm no > History major, but I do seem to recall that Australia was a "prison > colony" for Britain during the age of Imperialism... This was where all > the criminals and scum of British society were sent to rot. All the > Australians we've seen in GI Joe so far are simpletons and degenerates... This is really amusing. The only reason I would venture for the Dreadnoks coming from Australia and Britain, would be two things. The obvious want for foreigners as members of Cobra, preferable to Americans. And the stereotype of Australian biker gangs. Mad Max, etc... I find it hard to beleive the fact that Britain sent prisoners to Australia 200 years ago, as being relevant to this. It happened so long ago, I suppose it would be like someone still thinking of America as a country split by two sides, the yankees and the confederates. See what I mean. Sure there may still be a division (I'll be buggered if I know, I'm in New Zealand for chris sakes) but its hardly relevant is it? This is old history. If this had anything to do with Larry or Hasbro thinking.. "oh hey, I remember Australia was originally used as a dumping ground for British prisoners... it would make sense for the Dreadnoks to come from there..." if so then Larry and hasbro are clearly deluded, and this is hardly likely is it. I beleive Zartan is a foreigner. He is presumed to have european military academy traing, possibly St Cyr. In the cartoon his voice is slightly accented, and I think it is clear that Zarana's voice in the toon was a sad and failed attempt to sound like an australian. Marvel/Sunbow was so good at hiring bad voice actors to do accents. > Crystal Ball: > Born of a Romalian (?) father and a mother from Maine(!) Yeah, he has an > American mother, but he's portrayed as some bizare gypsy-type, complete > with evil eyes and fur-lined coat. Ridiculous. thankyou steven king, we really appreciate it. I think we should be grateful Hasbor didn't let him write any more filecards. > Well, I'm out of filecards, but I'm sure that you the point. I wouldn't > construct the Joe vs. Cobra conflict as an "enlightened multicultural > force" versus "white supremacists" type of conflict. Rather, I'd call it > an "America" vs. "The World" scenario, with the good ole US of A always > coming out on top. I say with some certainty that Cobra does not have a white supremiscisst doctrine. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.4 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Locations!?!?!!? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:44:56 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone on the list from Australia or New Zealand? I'd like to know. Am I one of the few australasian fans or something? Damn. I know there are some people from Israel on the list. What other extremes do we have? Far from america I mean. And while I'm here I might as well mention that my page "Zartan's Domains" that is, now boasts frames and a java menu. Look out for an essay on Zartan soon. I'm quite obsessed with him. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.5 --------------- From: Bonnie Scotto Subject: Re: Locations!?!?!!? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:48:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Is anyone on the list from Australia or New Zealand? I'd like to know. >Am I one of the few australasian fans or something? Damn. > >I know there are some people from Israel on the list. What other >extremes do we have? Far from america I mean. I'm in England. Although I was in the US until the end of July. I'm on loan here because of the military. Mike S. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.6 --------------- From: Bonnie Scotto Subject: YOJOE.COM Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:53:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just got back from a no notice 9 day trip and just found out that Conor, Corey and Eugene merged their webpages. Very cool! Awesome! Also, my apologies to anyone out there I ahven't replied too. Mike S. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.7 --------------- From: Justin Haley Martin Subject: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:01:22 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710230412.VAA23653@lists1.best.com> First of all, there isn't really much of a problem with Snake Eyes being in prime physical condition at age 48 or even higher. Ever see Lou Ferigno? He's about that age, and you would never know. People who take part in an active, healthy lifestyle tend not to show signs of aging, and oftentimes, physical muscle breakdown, which generally sets in around age 25 to 30 can be delayed greatly, depending on how much one exercises, and practices good nutrition and habits. If they were to bring Snakes back in to some kind of comic, I wouldn't really mind if he's used mostly in an advisory, training kind of role. I think what's been done with Snake Eyes is just about all that NEEDS to be done with him as a character. However, if he was to take a more active role, I see no reason he couldn't be mopping the floor with Cobras. Look at the Soft and Blind Masters. They were much older than Snake Eyes, and never had problems in dealing with violence. As for Larry Hama, he's been very successful at Marvel. He started writing Wolverine around issue 37, and just finally stepped down as writer with issue 118. He made major impacts on the characterization of Logan, and made him an even deeper character. Although I'll miss seeing his work, at least his temporary replacement, Warren Ellis, is top notch. Larry also has written several Venom stories (currently Finale), had the last word on the Onslaught crossover in Onslaught: Epilogue, and is currently going to take on Gen X and Elektra. I think he'll be especially good on Elektra, as the main character is a femme fatale assassain, and there are plenty of ninja aspects as well. Gen X, on the other hand is a book about the "kids" of Marvel's X people. Not like sons or daughters, but just the younger ones. I never really enjoyed it in the past, and it has some of the worst art of any comic I've seen, but I'll try it now that there is a good writer. Anyone interested in comics, though, definitely check out Elektra. I'm sure it'll be great, and since he's been hired specifically for advancing the characterization on Gen X, that should be one of the more interesting titles in the months to come. As for a GI Joe return, I believe he said he'd only write it if he could have complete creative control, which I doubt he'd be allowed, especially since the new Joe toy reps don't seem to really know much about him from what others have said. Given the state of the current comic book market, and the types of readers that buy comics, I would guess the odds of a new Joe book are slim to none, so don't bother looking for this one. Justin --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.8 --------------- From: KISSFANSCA@aol.com Subject: Racism and Cobra! Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Racism in Cobra was an extremely interesting question. One I have thought about before. When you're collecting the action figures it quickly becomes obvious that all of the Cobra figures, with the exception of Storm Shadow, were caucasian. So the question on the table is, Why? Here are some of my thoughts. 1) I don't think they were ALL caucasian. Yes the toys were but obviously Hasbro felt it could not stop the production line after every third Viper figure to paint the flesh a different color. It would have been really cool if there were Viper figures of different races, but it probably wasn't economically prudent to have done that. And remember there were several Cobra figures that were covered from head to toe with their uniform. These figures could have been any race. And as several postings to this list have covered, there were African American Cobra operatives in the cartoon. 2) Cobra Commander was the leader, lead strategist, founder, and heart and soul of Cobra. He built it as a totalitarian dictatorship. There was no equal opportunity employer, there was no affirmative action quotas. C.C. hired, fired (killed), and promoted the people HE wanted. There can be no doubt C.C. was a genius. He formed a huge terrorist organization (Cobra) from nothing. He was then able to transform Cobra from a terrorist group to an island nation recognized by the United Nations. He was no dummy. And being a genius he would not have had time to worry about his operatives' races. He would demand only the best and most skilled. He would not care about the race of the subject; only the training, loyalty, and skill of the person. He would want the best he could buy, blackmail, or brainwash. It is a mistake to compare C.C. to Hitler. Hitler lost.. C.C. won. 3) Cobra recruited heavilly from Europe. Most Europeans are caucasian. So alot of Cobras were caucasian. So the question is, Did Cobra recruit from Europe BECAUSE most Europeans are white? My answer is no. They recruited from Europe because there are a vast number of disgruntled, underpaid, highly trained soldiers that live there. Let's examine this. You're an East German Commando living in a rat infested 1 bedroom apartment with 10 other family members. Suddenly there's a knock on the door. You open the door to find a pink haired babe with a suit case full of U.S. dollars. All you have to do is join her little organization. And Oh Yeah, you get to shoot at American soldiers (People you have been trained your entire life to hate) every once in awhile. What would you do? And don't forget the Cobra life insurance, dental plan, and stock options.. Not to mention the pink haired babe. 4) If Cobra was racist, then C.C. had to be racist. And there is no proof that he was. In all of the comics, cartoons, etc.. C.C. never uttered one racist word. Racists are generally people who love to spout their rhetoric to anyone that will listen. You didn't hear him knocking any ethnic groups while sulking in his private chambers. You didn't hear any racial slurs while he was target shooting at replicas of Roadblock and the other Joes. He certainly didn't say anything to Roadblock when he was briefly held prisoner by the Joes. And remember Roadblock was one of the Joes that captured him. And let's face it, C.C. spoke his mind. You didn't hear any racial slurs or propaganda from him because he didn't believe in it. He had learned from Hitler's mistakes. 5) Cobra would never recruit from the K.K.K. or militia groups. The members of those groups are just too stupid and unskilled. C.C. could not bear to soil his elite group with the likes of Clem, Hank, and Lefty. Yes the Drednocks were not rocket scientists. But remember they were Zartan's crew and he brought them on board and paid them. So my conclusion is Cobra was not racist, but Hasbro was too cheap to make the toy line a bit more realistic. As a lister wrote, "Cobra was pure evil!". That is very true, Cobra was pure Evil. So if Satan wouldn't hesitate to take the soul of a non-caucasian person for his army, then why would Cobra? Jeff --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.9 --------------- From: "Davis, Kyle x01276f4" Subject: Cobra a real threat? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:14:43 -0400 Joes, I just got into an argument this evening with one of my 'less enlightened' friends who doesn't see the beauty of G.I. Joe... Anyway, the gist of it was that G.I. Joe was unnecessary. They defended democracy from Cobra (though they later faced other foes), and yes, I tried to explain that they really were a 'ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world'... Okay, big question: Could they have done it? Did Cobra really have the mean and resources to rule the world? Would the governments of the world eventually stepped in and stopped them, esp. if there'd never been a G.I. Joe? Could they have held the world, if they ever got it, or would infighting and dissent cause Cobra to crumble from within? If G.I. Joe hadn't been there to stop them, would anyone else made a similar thing to Joe? Would it have worked? (Similar to the USA v. everyone debate. If we assume Joe to be a 'real entity', would anyother country create their own team?) Which begs another question. My mind's a bit fuzzy on this, but was the Oktober Guard the answer to G.I. Joe, or were they formed to stop Cobra? Or something entirely different? Kyle CDT Kyle Davis, '00, CDT CPL, F-4 http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/4079 "Sir, Luke's the best bush pilot in the Outer Rim!" - Biggs Darklighter, Star Wars: A New Hope --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.10 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:26:11 -0400 (EDT) I was the one who said about the Joes getting older. I was just saying if the whole thing comes back like it was then they would be getting old. What if the Joe line and comics came back and it went on for another ten years? Then they would be pushing 60 and still be running the battle field like they were 20. Also, I was just wondering and thinking about what if they make the Joes have huge steroided-out arms and legs? Like they did with GI Joe Extreme, but with the same articulation as it was. Would everyone still buy them? Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.11 --------------- From: Pawsha Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:43:05 EDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone please send me a pic or something of Claymore? I wanna do a custom fig of him sometime. Thanks, Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.12 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:04:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710222329.QAA17825@lists1.best.com> At 07:27 PM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >For the most part, we can agree that Cobra isn't signed up for Affirmative >Action, and doesn't have a human resources manager to handle hiring disputes >(guess who's taking his Management major to heart a little too much :). At >least one black appears though. Lt Claymore, not to be confused with >Claymore from the Mission Brazil set, is a black man who appears in the >cartoon episode The Traitor. Just a typical Cobra Soldier, who happens to >not wear a mask and has a decent-sized role. > >Brian > > Didnt the orginal slauder's muraders have a black member and wasnt this memeber also an ex-viper[cobra] my 1/2 a cents worth Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth shall we find ourselves. -- http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n320.13 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:42:45 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-10-24 00:37:55 EDT, you write: > Didnt the orginal slauder's muraders have a black member and wasnt this > memeber also an ex-viper[cobra] > > my 1/2 a cents worth There was a black member (Red Dog) but Mercer is the ex-Viper. --------------- END gijoe.v001.n320 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:56:10 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n321 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n321 -------------- 001 - Black Shadow - Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? 005 - "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:14:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710240226.TAA27135@lists1.best.com> At 10:26 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > I was the one who said about the Joes getting older. I was just saying >if the whole thing comes back like it was then they would be getting old. >What if the Joe line and comics came back and it went on for another ten >years? Then they would be pushing 60 and still be running the battle field >like they were 20. > Also, I was just wondering and thinking about what if they make the Joes >have huge steroided-out arms and legs? Like they did with GI Joe Extreme, but >with the same articulation as it was. Would everyone still buy them? > > Josh Scott > Pawsha@aol.com > > I know this point was mentioned b4 but I hae something yo add that just came to mind when reading this post. GI*Joe isnt in the same realm[universe] as we live in. OK now look at comics and there realms. Superman is what now 75? and he looks to be in his 20s and isnt Mr fantastic 60 or so he looks 30 the only one Ive ever sean age in comics is whats his face in Marvel comics with the eye patch. Remember GI*Joe is a toyline.....TOYS ARE SOPOSED TO BE FUN......... My 3/7 cents worth Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth shall we find ourselves. -- http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.2 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:16:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710240443.VAA28979@lists1.best.com> At 12:42 AM 10/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-10-24 00:37:55 EDT, you write: > >> Didnt the orginal slauder's muraders have a black member and wasnt this >> memeber also an ex-viper[cobra] >> >> my 1/2 a cents worth > >There was a black member (Red Dog) but Mercer is the ex-Viper. > > OOps my bad, guess there goes that point Black Shadow ps anyone else going to a costume party as GI*Joe???????/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.3 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:47:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the point was made that while GI Joe, etc. are pushing 50, they are just fictional characters after all. In that sense they don't age like we do. Also, the comics books do not progress in time from month to month. Let's remember that with around 500 figures, there has to be more going on than can be told in 22 pages every month. Stories could be historical. Much like the Special Missions series was supposed to be. The missions we couldn't talk about until now. On Thursday, October 23, 1997 10:26 PM, Pawsha@aol.com [SMTP:Pawsha@aol.com] wrote: > I was the one who said about the Joes getting older. I was just saying > if the whole thing comes back like it was then they would be getting old. > What if the Joe line and comics came back and it went on for another ten > years? Then they would be pushing 60 and still be running the battle field > like they were 20. > Also, I was just wondering and thinking about what if they make the Joes > have huge steroided-out arms and legs? Like they did with GI Joe Extreme, but > with the same articulation as it was. Would everyone still buy them? > > Josh Scott > Pawsha@aol.com > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.4 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:01:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710240443.VAA28979@lists1.best.com> >> Didnt the orginal slauder's muraders have a black member and wasnt this >> memeber also an ex-viper[cobra] > >There was a black member (Red Dog) but Mercer is the ex-Viper. Nit picky correction, but Red Dog was (and probably still is!) Samoan. Like Tony Rocky Horror... -Eugene eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe! - --------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.5 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: RE: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:56:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 01:47 AM 10/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >I think the point was made that while GI Joe, etc. are pushing 50, they are >just fictional characters after all. In that sense they don't age like we >do. Also, the comics books do not progress in time from month to month. ----> That works for me...My bend on it is that what we saw in the 10+ years maybe only occurred in less than half that time from the characters' perspective. For example, a subsequent issue of the comic, while taking 30 days to get to you, sometimes only chronicled the next few minutes of storyline time. -Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- "That's the problem with ninjas: they're never around when you need 'em, and when they are, they're never on your side." -G.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.6 --------------- From: James McFadden Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n320 -Reply Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:14:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >They defended democracy from Cobra Just to clarify, according to the cartoon, G.I. Joe was created to fight Cobra. In the comics, they are a generic anti-terrorist group who ends up fighting Cobra almost exclusively. There were other enemies for them. In some issues, Cobra didn't even appear. This was mostly in the early issues, though. >Which begs another question. My mind's a bit fuzzy on this, but >was the Oktober Guard the answer to G.I. Joe, or were they formed to >stop Cobra? Or something entirely different? The October Guard was a group equivalent to Joes, meaning Cobra wasn't their only enemy. After all, the OG appeared first in 1982 and didn't appear again until about 1986. BTW, just to annoy you, according to Larry Hama, the OG was the Warsaw Pact equivalent of G.I. Joe, not the Soviet equivalent. One member was an East German (Schrage) and another was a Czech (Daina). James McFadden http://www.netcom.com/~mikejmc/gihome.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.7 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Paging Dr. Hundtkinder Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:55:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the (many) great things about the Joe comics-you can still find little details you never noticed on your last fifty or so readings. Like- Doctor Hundtkinder, the plastic surgeon who repaired the Baroness and Snake-Eyes. If my German serves me, Hundtkinder translates roughly to "child of a dog." Just a colorful name? Or Larry's subtle way of saying that the Doc was an S.O.B.? Unrelated thought-somebody mentioned Mercer, originally or Slaughter's Marauders. While I'm glad that team never made the comic, I would have loved to have seen Mercer get some exposure, particularly after he was merged into the main line. His second costume was great, with the Viper-style vest and one Lamprey arm. The idea of an ex-Cobra in the Joe ranks is really intriuging, but he never did show up. Oh, well... Finally, compliments to everybody involved in the consolidated web page. It's a fantastic resource, very detailed but not so obsessive it isn't fun. High John (weapons do not shoot) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.8 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Racism and Cobra! Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:41:17 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710232117.OAA09203@lists1.best.com> KISSFANSCA@aol.com wrote: > > 1) I don't think they were ALL caucasian. Yes the toys were but obviously > Hasbro felt it could not stop the production line after every third Viper > figure to paint the flesh a different color. It would have been really cool > if there were Viper figures of different races, but it probably wasn't > economically prudent to have done that. And remember there were several Cobra > figures that were covered from head to toe with their uniform. These figures > could have been any race. And as several postings to this list have covered, > there were African American Cobra operatives in the cartoon. I agree completely with Jeff. In fact these were my very thoughts. > 2) Cobra Commander was the leader, lead strategist, founder, and heart and > soul of Cobra. He built it as a totalitarian dictatorship. There was no equal > opportunity employer, there was no affirmative action quotas. C.C. hired, > fired (killed), and promoted the people HE wanted. There can be no doubt C.C. > was a genius. He formed a huge terrorist organization (Cobra) from nothing. > He was then able to transform Cobra from a terrorist group to an island > nation recognized by the United Nations. He was no dummy. And being a genius > he would not have had time to worry about his operatives' races. He would > demand only the best and most skilled. He would not care about the race of > the subject; only the training, loyalty, and skill of the person. He would > want the best he could buy, blackmail, or brainwash. It is a mistake to > compare C.C. to Hitler. Hitler lost.. C.C. won. Again I agree. And I think I can help support this. "The best secret agents in the world work for private corporations as industrial spies simply because Big Businss pays better than any government. Cobra can attract some of the best pilots from around the globe to join the air wing of the Cobra legions known as the Air-Vipers by doubling and tripling their salaries..." ~~~Order of Battle #3 "Strato Viper". This says a lot for Cobra in general. As for comparing CC to Hitler. Well he may not have the racist views, but he sure has the same temprament. Look at issue 146, how he sits on the throne in Borovia and lazes about sulking like a spoilt child. Busy be jealous of Destro getting his Silent Castle back. What about his tendancy to smash equipment when he's pissed off. And his ruthlessness. > 3) Cobra recruited heavilly from Europe. Most Europeans are caucasian. So > alot of Cobras were caucasian. So the question is, Did Cobra recruit from > Europe BECAUSE most Europeans are white? My answer is no. They recruited from > Europe because there are a vast number of disgruntled, underpaid, highly > trained soldiers that live there. Let's examine this. You're an East German > Commando living in a rat infested 1 bedroom apartment with 10 other family > members. Suddenly there's a knock on the door. You open the door to find a > pink haired babe with a suit case full of U.S. dollars. All you have to do is > join her little organization. And Oh Yeah, you get to shoot at American > soldiers (People you have been trained your entire life to hate) every once > in awhile. What would you do? And don't forget the Cobra life insurance, > dental plan, and stock options.. Not to mention the pink haired babe. Hehe. Take up writing Jeff. Very true words. Often in the cartoon we'd hear Cobra's speaking and they'd have foreign accents, some australian, some european. So we get the idea their forces were made up of a mix of troops from all around the world including america. And as someone, maybe you, said, who knows what color skin lies beneath some of those unifroms. I think the causcasion thing is just a basic generic sort of thing. > 4) If Cobra was racist, then C.C. had to be racist. And there is no proof > that he was. In all of the comics, cartoons, etc.. C.C. never uttered one > racist word. Racists are generally people who love to spout their rhetoric to > anyone that will listen. You didn't hear him knocking any ethnic groups while > sulking in his private chambers. You didn't hear any racial slurs while he > was target shooting at replicas of Roadblock and the other Joes. He certainly > didn't say anything to Roadblock when he was briefly held prisoner by the > Joes. And remember Roadblock was one of the Joes that captured him. And let's > face it, C.C. spoke his mind. You didn't hear any racial slurs or propaganda > from him because he didn't believe in it. He had learned from Hitler's > mistakes. Okay we get the idea. :-) > 5) Cobra would never recruit from the K.K.K. or militia groups. The members > of those groups are just too stupid and unskilled. C.C. could not bear to > soil his elite group with the likes of Clem, Hank, and Lefty. Yes the > Drednocks were not rocket scientists. But remember they were Zartan's crew > and he brought them on board and paid them. Well we can't say for sure such extremists are not among Cobra's legions. I don't think they'd make an effort to "not" recruit racists, and I don't think they would make an effort to recruit them either. I think they just recruit whoever seems skilled and ruthless enough to work well for Cobra. > So my conclusion is Cobra was not racist, but Hasbro was too cheap to make > the toy line a bit more realistic. As a lister wrote, "Cobra was pure evil!". > That is very true, Cobra was pure Evil. So if Satan wouldn't hesitate to take > the soul of a non-caucasian person for his army, then why would Cobra? > > Jeff I agree wuth your conclusion, and I hope this is an end to this thread. Its getting tired and I can't see any problems with this conclusion. Especial reason #1 further up in this message. It was economically prudent to make the figures all one color skin. If they were all made black, then Cobra would be perceived as an African terrorist organization. I think it just assumes thaty Cobra has a majority of Causcasians.. maybe not by much but, if you were to make a toy of a single U.S. soldier the color would probably be white. The end. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.9 --------------- From: IceSiege Subject: An interview with Larry Hama Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:00:15 EDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found this kind of interesting. It's from Wizard mag; Feature Article: Q & A with Larry Hama Taken from AG #4, available in the AX Download Library By: LadyAliya@aol.com 1.) First off--how did you break into comics? I sold my first cartooning work to Castle of Frankenstein magazine in 1965 while I was still in High School. I was drawing for Gothic Blimp Works which was the Sunday Funnies of the East Village Other back in 1967 and then I went to London to work for Oz Magazine. I was an illustrator and an advertising artist before I did comics. 2.) What were your first assignments as an artist? a writer? My first real comic book job was an eight page story in Secrets of the Sinister House for DC. It was inked by Neal Adams. My first paid writing gig was scripting Sally Forth and Cannon for Wally Wood in the Overseas Weekly. 3.) How'd you get involved with 'Wolverine'? Bob Harras, who had been my editor on G.I. Joe asked me to take a stab at it. The sales were in the dumpster at the time. 4.) Are you still involved with a band? Still playing guitar in the same band, the K-Otics. Been with them for fifteen years. 5.) To date--what has been your favorite project? Other than the Canucklehead? G.I. Joe, Mort the Dead Teenager and the Nth Man. 6.) You mentioned a project called "Legends of the Dark Claw", would you mind elaborating on it? It's for the Marvel/DC Amalgam week. Dark Claw is a combination of Wolverine and Batman and he battles the Hyena, who is a combination of Sabretooth and the Joker. Jubilee is the sidekick. 7.) Will Logan have a new love interest in the near future? If so, could you drop us a couple of hints to who she is? Sigh. Two sighs. 8.) if you were writing the DC vs. Marvel crossover, how would you have Wolverine beat Lobo? Pull his spine out through his left nostril. 9.) Who are your favorite people to work with in the industry and who would you like to work with that you haven't yet? As far as pencilers? That would include Neal Adams, Mike Golden, Marc Silvestri, Rod Whigham, Adam Kubert, Ron Wagner, Phil Gosier, and a few dozen more I can't recall right off the bat. Inkers I have liked over my own pencils include Neal Adams, Wally Wood, Ralph Reese, Dick Giordano, Klaus Janson and Steve Leialoha. I like working with people who draw well and understand storytelling. 10.) Do you prefer having Wolverine with the team or wandering off on his own? Either way is fine with me. 11.) Any advice you'd like to give to aspiring artists/writers out there? Produce lots of stuff and don't bear grudges against they who don't like your work because they will continue to be in the business. I see more careers torpedoed by petty grudges than anything else. 12.) What characters from other companies, if any, would you like to see Wolverine work with? Batman. 13.) Do you have any regrets about writing Wolverine or anything else? I have no regrets-- to paraphrase Edith Piaf. The material in this article was provided entirely by Wizard World's Asteroid X Club. The content is not necessarily reflective of Wizard Press or the online staff. Copyright 1997 Gareb Shamus Enterprises, Inc. Any questions or comments? You can address them to Keyword: Wizard for all you AOL users out there. Otherwise, I guess I can answer any unanswered Q's. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.10 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Cobra Wins!!!! Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:23:38 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710240134.SAA03661@lists1.best.com> Davis, Kyle x01276f4 wrote: > > Joes, > > I just got into an argument this evening with one of my 'less > enlightened' friends who doesn't see the beauty of G.I. Joe... > > Anyway, the gist of it was that G.I. Joe was unnecessary. They > defended democracy from Cobra (though they later faced other foes), and > yes, I tried to explain that they really were a 'ruthless terrorist > organization determined to rule the world'... They are definately powerful enough, and so well rooted that they can not possibly be beaten by the G.I. Joe team. I reached this conclusion some time ago, and I'll explain below. > Okay, big question: Could they have done it? Did Cobra really > have the mean and resources to rule the world? Would the governments of > the world eventually stepped in and stopped them, esp. if there'd never > been a G.I. Joe? Could they have held the world, if they ever got it, > or would infighting and dissent cause Cobra to crumble from within? If > G.I. Joe hadn't been there to stop them, would anyone else made a > similar thing to Joe? Would it have worked? (Similar to the USA v. > everyone debate. If we assume Joe to be a 'real entity', would anyother > country create their own team?) Firstly we have to look at Cobra in general. Its an international terrorist organisation, with the highest possible ambitions. World domination. now lets look at how big they are. We know they are the largest terrorist organisation in the world. They control several towns, an entire nation "Borigia" (formerly Borovia), they own an Island (which they created), they have many other bases in countries where they supply weapons. And I can't say for certain, but I beleive Cobra still holds the emirate of Benzheen. Which sits on top of 10% of the worlds oil. borigia also has many oil fields. They are recognised by the United Nations as a nation. They have Freds/Seigies planted throughout the U.S., some even in the government. As Cobra Commander said at his Springfield speech: "The Cobra elite trooper. One of Cobra's best, and too good to squander on a battle field! He is young, intelligent, good-looking, and upwardly mobile! On the surface an upstanding pillar of the community! Active in local politics. A concerned citizen. A trusted businessman with an untarnished reputation for honesty and fair dealing. A loving husband. A fair and compassionate father - - The last person to be suspected of being a deep-cover Cobra agent!!" "He will worm his way into confidences of the mighty and work his way upward in the political machine to the senate and... dare we hope - - higher?" ~~~Issue 20 something. Cobra is the fully legitimate force behind the nation of Borigia. they have U.N. recognition as I said above. They are spread out far and wide. they have methods of transport around the world such as "Swan Charter Airlines" ~~~issue 154. albeit Roadblock discovered it and it would have been shut down. But I'm sure Cobra has many other things. They also have the huge Arbco Cargo Ship, which is in actuality a massive mobile base which can go anywhere in the world. In one of the "Frusenland" issues they had a another big Cargo ship dropping off equipment like Cobra Wolf vehicles, the ship had a big Cobra emblem on the side. In the "gijoe starring SNAK-EYES" issues, they had the night creepers doing their dirty work, like stealing ICBMS on their way to be destroyed, then selling them to small dictaorships around the world. It looks like Cobra is above such dirty business themselves due to their U.N. recognition, but are not afraid to pay other parties to do it for them. When you look at G.I. Joe, you see a large team, primarily devoted to combating Cobra. They have many vehicles specificlly designed for them, but overall, they are nothing compared to the size of Cobra.. and unlike Cobra, they have to play by the rules. I have the feeling that there would have been many more issues like 146, in which Cobra continued to acheive, and expand. G.I. Joe is seriously, nothing more than a pest. They can stop one or two schemes, but they are not big enough to succesfully be of any use against Cobra anymore. And it is perhaps no wonder that they were closed down in issue 155. Someone speculated that this was after Cobra had been defeated. No, it wasn't. apart form the absence of Storm Shadow, still under Cobra control, Cobra was more powerful than they ever had been, ever before in the comic. How can G.I. Joe possibly combat such a well rooted organisation of evil? They can't, plain and simple. Cobra's base is now the Silent Castle and Borigia. Joes entering the country would be intruding. They are also in Europe, making it increasingly difficult for G.I. Joe to get to them. And assuming Cobra is to continue at the rate they are going, they would soon have many more countries and towns under their control. these towns then expand, and it becomes a huge domino scheme. Each expands, and it doubles, triples, quadruples etc... If some towns become unruly, they can always resort to the new improved brainwave scanner. they used it on millville. They used them on frusenland to incite violence and a civil war. They can use them again.. and all the time, their technology is improving. I know I'm painting a dark and hopeless picture here. But to answer your question now, after presenting these facts.. Cobra is worse than a THREAT. Lets not forget the possibility of a undercover crimson guard in the government, runnning for president.. getting voted in, and then being CC's puppet. Copy this and send it to your friend and watch him eat his words. And heres my answer to all of your questions above. > Okay, big question: Could they have done it? See above. > Did Cobra really have the mean and resources to rule the world? Not at their present size. Remember, this is not the cartoon we are talking about. In the cartoon (which had childlike stories), Cobra went from one takeover the world scheme to the next. In the comic they slowly expand, getting bigger all the time. They are not planning, or ready to just march in and conquer all countries. There tactics are underhanded, double dealing and brainwashing literrally. It is my guess they would make many puppet governments around the world and eventually they would take full control. > Would the governments of the world eventually stepped in and stopped them, esp. if there'd never been a G.I. Joe? They could not step in and stop them. Its not so much a military thing, but a political strategy of conquest. What cobra was up to would have to be revealed to the world for any of the nations to take proper action against them, and full action would have to be taken. But lets face it, Cobra would cover it up using their seigies.. possibly Cobra commanders greatest scheme. > Could they have held the world, if they ever got it, > or would infighting and dissent cause Cobra to crumble from within? Dissent from whom? Mindbender? I'm sure Destro, Zartan, Storm Shadow and Baroness would all have returned to normal, in fact I have Larry's word that it was never a permenent thing. So if we assume they would have eventually left cobra and returned to their normal states, we are left with Cobra Commander and Dr Mindbender as the primary Cobras. Mindbender, if I understand him, is happy with his position, and as we see, he could very well be the one running things in the futures, after all he appears to be manipulating Cobra Commander. For example, take issue 146... he subtely drops the info about the brain iplants that he surgically imlanted in Zartan and Destro. Not only did he appear pleased with Cobra Commanders reaction, but he had the foresight to put those implants in. He truly is twice the schemer CC is. And I'm sure he will be far too invaluable with all his projects in development, for CC to have him killed again. also what is the point of Larry bringing him back, if he's just going to kill him again. > If G.I. Joe hadn't been there to stop them, would anyone else made a > similar thing to Joe? > Would it have worked? (Similar to the USA v. > everyone debate. If we assume Joe to be a 'real entity', would anyother > country create their own team?) Definately. But these teams of good guys are no good. They are military. To properly combat Cobra nowadays, a political team needs to be formed to weed out the seigies. and given the amount of the time, and number of siegies out there, I think they'd stand a better chance of destroying this good guy political team before they could do much harm. Well thats all I can say with just those questions. Hopefully this all makes sense. I know hoe G.I. Joe can beat Cobra.. but I'll have to save it for another post as this one has run for a little long. But it depends on the U.S. govenrment giving full authorisation to the Joes, and lets face it, there are probably seigies in the government to counter such a move. Cobra wins. Unless CC and Mindbender are killed.. Cobra will win. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.11 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Sorry... Date: 22 Oct 97 20:01:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all! Just wanted to apologize for my inadvertent spam/bragging. I've been on the policing end before, warning people about being aware when they hit 'Reply' that they're likely sending to the group. And now, I'm "guilty as charged." Please forgive these transgressions, and trust that I'll be taken out back and beaten... :) Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Associate Consultant Phone: 317.228.4027 Disclaimer: Me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n321.12 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Cobra Command - Can you help? Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:35:14 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone. I've been busy for the last few months working on a few G.I. Joe projects, including my own web page - Zartan's Domain, the G.I. Joe roleplaying game - Covert Ops, bits and peices for the newsletter and now a huge revamping of the Cobra Command web page. http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/index.html The revamp has not yet taken place. I'm in the process of redisgning the page along with Dwayne the owner. Some of the features of this new page will be kept secret, but it will have frames and a java menu like the one on my page. The reason why I'm telling you this is because we need to form a team of motivated people to work with us on monthly features for both the revamped newsletter and the site. The way the membership works may receive some changes and yes, there will be an advantage to being a full member over just being signed up to the newsletter. The aim is to make the the definative resource for Cobra on the web, and give it a web magazine like feel with the regular sheduled updates. We also hope to get meetings between members organised over the net and face to face. I would like assistance with one or two things for the site, if you have a good knowledge of G.I. Joe and have access to the comics then contact me and I'll fill you in. The page will most likely be moving to a new URL as well. We will keep you informed. -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- END gijoe.v001.n321 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:56:15 1998 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:59:34 -0800 (PST) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n322 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n322 -------------- 001 - Deplitch Subject: Nintendo Games Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:43:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone has the GI Joe Nintendo game for sale, could you contact me. I would like to purchase it. Nick --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n322.2 --------------- From: IceSiege@aol.com Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:40:32 -0500 (EST) I'd go as a Joe.....If i could find a decent Storm Shadow costume :-) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n322.3 --------------- From: IceSiege@aol.com Subject: Re: Nintendo Games Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:41:02 -0500 (EST) I know what you mean..I can't find it around here either...I must be the only one in my state who still has a Nintendo :-) PS, there is a Used Game dealership down from my neighborhood...I could check for ya sometime...maybe I'll stop by..If i find anything I'll let you know...Just keep checking in with me.. Yo Joe! -IceSiege --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n322.4 --------------- From: Deplitch Subject: Re: Nintendo Games Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:50:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710261441.GAA19588@lists1.best.com> IceSiege@aol.com wrote: > > I know what you mean..I can't find it around here either...I must be the only > one in my state who still has a Nintendo :-) > > PS, there is a Used Game dealership down from my neighborhood...I could check > for ya sometime...maybe I'll stop by..If i find anything I'll let you > know...Just keep checking in with me.. > Yo Joe! > -IceSiege Tell me about it! It is getting the same way with Sega. I have 3 NES's (one I bought for $100 when they first came out, another for $26, the last one for $3) and 2 Sega's (the first one was $140, the other was for $20 w/ 3 games). If you find the game, let me know. It is like one of the only games I don't have. The second one I never played so I'd prefer both. Nick --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n322.5 --------------- From: "Mike Nonsense!" Subject: Re: Nintendo Games Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:06:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710261441.GAA19588@lists1.best.com> <199710261648.IAA00341@lists1.best.com> Deplitch wrote: > > IceSiege@aol.com wrote: > > > > I know what you mean..I can't find it around here either...I must be the only > > one in my state who still has a Nintendo :-) > > > > PS, there is a Used Game dealership down from my neighborhood...I could check > > for ya sometime...maybe I'll stop by..If i find anything I'll let you > > know...Just keep checking in with me.. > > Yo Joe! > > -IceSiege > > Tell me about it! It is getting the same way with Sega. I have 3 NES's > (one I bought for $100 when they first came out, another for $26, the > last one for $3) and 2 Sega's (the first one was $140, the other was for > $20 w/ 3 games). > If you find the game, let me know. It is like one of the only games I > don't have. The second one I never played so I'd prefer both. > > Nick GET NESTICLE! :) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n322.6 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: 3-D Joe Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:09:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finally completed my Marvel Joe comics collection. The elusive (for me) Special Missions 26, at last! Poor Oktober Guard- I also came up with three of Blackthorn's 3-D GI Joe comics. I already had numbers one and two, which I thought was the entire run. The new ones I got are three, four, and an annual. Can anybody tell me if this is all of these? The 3-D makes them hard to read, and the stories have nothing to do with the Marvel continuity. The art isn't bad for most of the run-I recognize the artist from a lot of DC war titles-but the annual features not only the worst GI Joe art I've ever seen, but probably the worst comics art in memory, period. I also found a lot of other Joe issues, most of them very cheap. I even got a first print copy of #7, for two bucks. I can remember when this was a "glass case" comic. High John (weapons do not shoot) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n322.7 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: Re: 3-D Joe Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 17:58:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:09 PM 10/26/97 -0800, you wrote: >Finally completed my Marvel Joe comics collection. The elusive (for me) >Special Missions 26, at last! Poor Oktober Guard- > >I also came up with three of Blackthorn's 3-D GI Joe comics. I already had >numbers one and two, which I thought was the entire run. The new ones I got >are three, four, and an annual. Can anybody tell me if this is all of >these? The 3-D makes them hard to read, and the stories have nothing to do >with the Marvel continuity. The art isn't bad for most of the run-I >recognize the artist from a lot of DC war titles-but the annual features >not only the worst GI Joe art I've ever seen, but probably the worst comics >art in memory, period. > >I also found a lot of other Joe issues, most of them very cheap. I even got >a first print copy of #7, for two bucks. I can remember when this was a >"glass case" comic. > >High John >(weapons do not shoot) > > There were 6 issues of the joe 3-d comic and the annual. There was also a How to draw Gi Joe I know of 3 issues was there any others? Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.focus-asia.com/home/CobraCommander/ email dlmar@dmv.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n322.8 --------------- From: Robert Rodriguez Subject: STORM SHADOW V2 NEEDED Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:24:31 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, Does anyone have a Storm shadow v2 they will sell me? I also need a Track viper. I'd like this in pretty good condition if possible, but they don't have to be MINT. Just no broken thumbs, cracked joints ect. If you can help me out I'd apprciate it. Thanks, Tony --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n322.9 --------------- From: Dan Carber Subject: Rocky revisited Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710270024.QAA08607@lists1.best.com> Well, I haven't posted anything to this list in a while, and I know this is a subject of great controversy, but..... I was at work, talking to a buddy of mine, and we ended up on the topic of Joes, and he was telling me that he's got tons of Joes that he's holding onto for when he gets older, and they become valuable. He even proceeded to tell me that he has every mail in they produced, including a Rocky figure that they made in very short supply because of some legal reasons. Now, I know that this has been brought up before, and rumors have actually been denied. I know this guy pretty well, and he has no reason to lie to me. He volunteered this information to me, before I even told him that I was a Joe collector. He said that the figure came with a really buff guy, with black hair and a bandana (forget the color), purple pants,a 2 boxing gloves, and a punching bag. He said that he's the Joe's personal trainer, and he has the filecard. I asked him to take a picture of it, and he said that next time he's in PA he'll try to take one. Now....I know this may seem like i'm beating this point to death, but I have no reason to disbelieve him, and he has no reason to lie to me. He doesn't collect, and didn't know that there was a 'society' of 3 3/4" collectors. It has been said (I think) that Thomas Wheeler wasn't aware of any Rocky figure that was produced.....it is possible that he missed one? I'm working on getting him to take a couple pictures because I want to see it along with the filecard. Anyone else know of anyone who has/had one? I truly believe this guy has one. Once I get the picture, it would prove it to everyone. I want to know more on this one, because I've just found a new item to quest for. (the thrill of the hunt is sometimes more satisfying than the actual 'kill') dan dcarber@tiac.net ps - No, he is not ready to sell, no matter how much I beg, plead, or offer. --------------- END gijoe.v001.n322 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:56:21 1998 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:02:38 -0800 (PST) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n323 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n323 -------------- 001 - Rerun1138@aol.com - Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? 002 - Eugene - Re: Rocky revisited 003 - Eugene - Re: Nintendo Games 004 - Rod Hannah > << And if Cobra is all-white, then don't whites come off looking "evil or stereotyped?" Since this is a fantasy world, and since the binary opposition of good versus evil is more important that any discussion about "race" or ethnicity, I wouldn't even entertain such notions. Cobra is evil, whether its ranks are made up of white, blacks, or whatever "race." Now there are a few members of Cobra who have ethnic identities other than "white" and who, unfortunately, cater to stereotypes. Take Storm Shadow, for example. He's Japanese. Japan has been accused of attempting to "take over the world" more than once, and "Jap-Bashing" is still prevalent... So Storm Shadow being in Cobra doesn't help the WWII idea of the Japanese as "evil." In GI Joe, the general idea is that America is leading the world in the fight against Cobra, so the Storm-Shadow dynamic makes it look like America vs. Japan all over again. >> Stereotypes? Absolutely, I agree. Of course these characters are stereotypes. Many foreign comic book (and other medium) characters are. Howver, I do not see the Anti-Japanese element. Storm Shadow ultimately comes off as the most honorable and moral character in the story. Sure, GI Joe is going to be prominently American. Many non-Joe characters will be foreign and thus stereotyped. Does this make it America vs. the World? << The Baroness is from somewhere in Europe (I don't know) but she sure seems like the second half of Boris and Natasha to me... Stereotypical Russian/German/what-have-you secret agent/femme fatale. BTW, a lot of the Cobra characters are skilled in the use of "Warsar Pact" arms, as opposed to "NATO" arms... Here's more of that USA vs. Europe dynamic. In fact, most of the early Cobra figures were not "American" (i.e. "neutral white") or were not born in the USA: >> << Specific character birthplaces snipped >> << There is speculation that Zartan, Zarana, and Zandar were all bron in Australia along with Major Bludd and most of the Dreadnoks. Now, I'm no History major, but I do seem to recall that Australia was a "prison colony" for Britain during the age of Imperialism... This was where all the criminals and scum of British society were sent to rot. All the Australians we've seen in GI Joe so far are simpletons and degenerates... >> I have trouble sympathizing with anti-Australia-bashing. I mean, they did give us Paul Hogan. :-) I've never really seen Austarlians as particularly oppressed, and all Americans really know of them is what has came across the seas during the Australian-culture craze of the late 80's. All we know of them is stereotypes. If that happens to be descendents of convicts living in the outback, what can we do? Perhaps the Sidney Olympics will shed a slightly brighter light on their culture. << Well, I'm out of filecards, but I'm sure that you the point. I wouldn't construct the Joe vs. Cobra conflict as an "enlightened multicultural force" versus "white supremacists" type of conflict. Rather, I'd call it an "America" vs. "The World" scenario, with the good ole US of A always coming out on top. So, what do you think? There's a lot more to add to the discussion, and I certainly welcome all comments. PEACE, James >> Given all that, I will agree with many of the observations, but I must disagree with some elements of the conclusion. GI Joe certainly was created as an American story, during the end of the Cold War no less. One would expect the bad guys to be Soviets and Warsaw Pact nationals. Here, I believe is where GI Joe breaks from the "easy" stereotypes and where Larry Hama created one of the greatest comic book villains of all time. The easy thing to do would be to create an America vs. the World story, as you have concluded that it is. But Cobra is not European. It is not Middle Eastern. It is not made up of a bunch of radicals with a specific agenda. These would be the enemies I would expect in a terrorist enemy for GI Joe. So what makes Cobra different? Some of the characters are definantly European. Destro is Scottish, although he is more of a buissness man than a terrorist. The Baroness is perhaps the greatest example of the European stereotype. In early issues she even seems to have an agenda, although this fades away by the end when we learn she was emotionally manipulated, albeit unintentionally. The early Cobra officers, soldiers, eels, etc. were born in "various countries" according to the file cards. This furthers the notion that Cobra is a faceless organization, just evil, without a particular agenda. Of course, it also furthers the US vs. world theory. Here's the difference. Cobra is not based in Europe. They're based in Springfield, in a "nice little town like ours". Cobra Commander is not foreign. He is American. At the same time, he is like Hitler, brainwashing an entire town, from its disillusioned vets to the confused cold war generation to its youth, creating a scapegoat, and playing to our oldest fears, that the enemy lies within. Thus, if Cobra is based in America, it could not be a US vs. the world story. Rather it is Good vs. Evil. Evil is not the World, but rather fascism, bigotry, intolerance, and thus, I would conclude, racism, too. Cobra Commander represents all that which stems from ignorance and twisted views of reality. As the great essayist Katrina Pierzchala once wrote: "Ignorance is not sin, but the choice of the tainted soul that fears all knowledge which can bring it pain." I think that sums up Cobra Commander in a nutshell. The results of his ignorance, however, lead to evil that Cobra becomes. This is a very streamlined explanation of my view. I would love to discuss it further. -Ed Mundy --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.2 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Rocky revisited Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:18:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199710270024.QAA08607@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199710270259.SAA29557@lists1.best.com> At 10:00 PM -0500 10/26/97, Dan Carber wrote: >Well, I haven't posted anything to this list in a while, and I know this is >a subject of great controversy, but..... Not really a controversy. It doesn't exist. :) >I was at work, talking to a buddy of mine, and we ended up on the topic of >Joes, and he was telling me that he's got tons of Joes that he's holding >onto for when he gets older, and they become valuable. He even proceeded >to tell me that he has every mail in they produced, including a Rocky >figure that they made in very short supply because of some legal reasons. >Now, I know that this has been brought up before, and rumors have actually >been denied. I know this guy pretty well, and he has no reason to lie to >me. He volunteered this information to me, before I even told him that I >was a Joe collector. > >He said that the figure came with a really buff guy, with black hair and a >bandana (forget the color), purple pants,a 2 boxing gloves, and a punching >bag. He said that he's the Joe's personal trainer, and he has the >filecard. I asked him to take a picture of it, and he said that next time >he's in PA he'll try to take one. He's thinking of Big Boa and/or the Fridge. >Now....I know this may seem like i'm beating this point to death, but I >have no reason to disbelieve him, and he has no reason to lie to me. He >doesn't collect, and didn't know that there was a 'society' of 3 3/4" >collectors. > >It has been said (I think) that Thomas Wheeler wasn't aware of any Rocky >figure that was produced.....it is possible that he missed one? I'm >working on getting him to take a couple pictures because I want to see it >along with the filecard. > >Anyone else know of anyone who has/had one? I truly believe this guy has >one. Once I get the picture, it would prove it to everyone. I want to >know more on this one, because I've just found a new item to quest for. >(the thrill of the hunt is sometimes more satisfying than the actual 'kill') An art mockup was done of Rocky and a filecard was written for G.I.Joe Order of Battle #2, but that's as far as it went. I've asked around, and I was told that Rocky never proceeded to the hard copy stage. Still, it was way back in 1987, so it's not impossible that a Rocky first shot or test shot could turn up. Let us know when he says that it's either a Big Boa or a Fridge. :) -Eugene eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe! - --------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.3 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Nintendo Games Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:22:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710260241.TAA29704@lists1.best.com> At 10:43 PM -0400 10/25/97, Deplitch wrote: >If anyone has the GI Joe Nintendo game for sale, could you contact me. I >would like to purchase it. Try checking the USENET newsgroup . I've seen them for sale there. -Eugene eson@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Yo Joe! - --------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.4 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Cobra Civil War, War Game Online. Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:50:42 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone here have experience with war gaming, using miniatures? I have a little myself. I'd like to set up an online "Cobra Civil" war game. It would have the Cobra Island map in a grid, stats for the various armies.. we are looking at Cobra Commanders forces and the citadel, Serpentor and the Freighter, Destro and his battleship, and then there are the Joes, but as they didn't play that significant a part in the war and had much smaller forces I am wondering whether I should drop them. So we are looking at 3 - 4 players, with all the loactions like the air field, docks, warehouses.. etc.. to secure and fight over. Can someone remind me.. who controlled the Terror Drome on the island.. Serpentor or CC? There would be one person to referee it.. most likely me, as well as updat units locations on the map. Well, that all I have planned. So theres a lot to work on, but I'd like to hear from you. Its not impossible or nearly as hard as it sounds.. however the game could span a couple of months. So anyone interested? Or not? -- Enemy CODENAME: Zartan "Zartan's Domain" yes it is a GI JOE page http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.5 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:44:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710240226.TAA27135@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 Pawsha@aol.com wrote: > Also, I was just wondering and thinking about what if they make the Joes > have huge steroided-out arms and legs? Like they did with GI Joe Extreme, but > with the same articulation as it was. Would everyone still buy them? I don't think you could make them with arms and legs like Extreme and be articulated like the old ones. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.6 --------------- From: hz399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. J. Karlisle) Subject: Rocky Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:47:37 -0500 (EST) i suppose the once-upon-a-time existence of a Rocky figure would explain the "Big Boa" figure and accessories, as well as lend credence to the page of Rocky in the ORder of Battle series... -Kj --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.7 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:49:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710240303.UAA13691@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Black Shadow wrote: > Didnt the orginal slauder's muraders have a black member Yes. > and wasnt this memeber also an ex-viper[cobra] No. You're mixing up two characters, the names of which I can't recall at the moment. One, an ex-Viper, was a white guy with a flat-top (the hair color on the figure was brown, but white on the packaging). Another was a Samoan ex-NFL barefoot place-kicker. Samoans have "black" skin, but I do not believe they are Africans or descended from Africans (although I could be wrong on this part). Why is this important, you might ask. Because someone (and we all know whothat probably was!) did something unusual with a character instead of just going with the obvious. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.8 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Mutt... Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:55:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He was one of my favorite Joes when he first came out. Mutt had so many cool little accesories-the MAC 11 is still about my favorite Joe gun-the muzzle and the dog-he was colorful and interesting and well, mean. I liked that. I lost my Mutt figure years ago. Never knew where, never knew how. He just missed roll call one day. AWOL, Mutt. Law fed Junkyard until the DEF version came out. But it wasn't the same. I finally found a replacement, but he was a flea market flake, with peeling paint and a badly chewed right hand. Today, rummaging around the garage, I found my Mutt figure. He was intact and in fine shape, just a little dirty. It made me glad, and I wanted to tell somebody who'd undertand. High John (weapons do not shoot) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.9 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Cobra a real threat? Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:03:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710240134.SAA03661@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Davis, Kyle x01276f4 wrote: > Okay, big question: Could they have done it? Did Cobra really > have the mean and resources to rule the world? Would the governments of > the world eventually stepped in and stopped them, esp. if there'd never > been a G.I. Joe? Could they have held the world, if they ever got it, > or would infighting and dissent cause Cobra to crumble from within? If > G.I. Joe hadn't been there to stop them, would anyone else made a > similar thing to Joe? Would it have worked? (Similar to the USA v. > everyone debate. If we assume Joe to be a 'real entity', would anyother > country create their own team?) > Which begs another question. My mind's a bit fuzzy on this, but > was the Oktober Guard the answer to G.I. Joe, or were they formed to > stop Cobra? Or something entirely different? I always felt the whole point was that Cobra could in fact take over the world were it not for the valiant efforts of GI Joe and other teams like them, including the Oktober Guard. As for why the OG was created, I could almost guarantee you that their mission is\was to protect the Rodina ("Mother Russia") from both Cobra and, should it become necessary, GI Joe. The Soviet Red Army was always good at things like that, creating a group for one purpose (publically) that also did something else (less publically). For proof, I offer the hostility between the Joes and the OG in their first cartoon encounter. If the OG were *JUST* around to fight Cobra, I doubt either team would have a problem with the other. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.10 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: Mutt... Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:12:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 12:55 PM 10/27/97 -0800, you wrote: >He was one of my favorite Joes when he first came out. Mutt had so many >cool little accesories-the MAC 11 is still about my favorite Joe gun-the >muzzle and the dog-he was colorful and interesting and well, mean. I liked >that. > I lost my Mutt figure years ago. Never knew where, never knew how. He just >missed roll call one day. AWOL, Mutt. Law fed Junkyard until the DEF >version came out. But it wasn't the same. I finally found a replacement, >but he was a flea market flake, with peeling paint and a badly chewed right >hand. > Today, rummaging around the garage, I found my Mutt figure. He was intact >and in fine shape, just a little dirty. > >It made me glad, and I wanted to tell somebody who'd undertand. > >High John >(weapons do not shoot) Good story, John. There is nothing sweeter than the reunion of a person and their lost toy (especially when the toy is a 'Joe...and I'm sure Junkyard was glad to see his long lost buddy...) -Gary ............................................ "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." -T.J. ............................................ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.11 --------------- From: Conor Malone Subject: Re: Nintendo Games Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:39:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710270521.VAA13822@lists1.best.com> Eugene wrote: > > At 10:43 PM -0400 10/25/97, Deplitch wrote: > >If anyone has the GI Joe Nintendo game for sale, could you contact me. I > >would like to purchase it. > > Try checking the USENET newsgroup . I've seen > them for sale there. > if you don't mind paying a premium for them then try FuncoLand: http://www.funcoland.com/ I think they are 9.99 each. Conor -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Conor Malone cmalone@yahoo-inc.com Yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Technical Yahoo! Do You Yahoo!? My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Inc. 3400 Central Expressway Suite 201 Santa Clara, CA 95051 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.12 --------------- From: jared charles durst Subject: GI Joe Special #1 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:45:05 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anybody have the GI Joe Special #1 comic book they would like to sell? If so, e-mail me privately. Thanks, Jared Durst --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.13 --------------- From: Zachary Quinton Adams Subject: Re: Equal Opportunity Cobra? Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:56:40 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710271749.JAA23746@lists1.best.com> On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Adam Bernay wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Black Shadow wrote: > > > Didnt the orginal slauder's muraders have a black member > > Yes. No. :) There was only one Slaughter's Marauders, which was all repaints. You and Shadow are both thinking of Sgt. Slaughter's Renegades. > > and wasnt this memeber also an ex-viper[cobra] > > No. > > You're mixing up two characters, the names of which I can't recall at the > moment. One, an ex-Viper, was a white guy with a flat-top (the hair color > on the figure was brown, but white on the packaging). Another was a > Samoan ex-NFL barefoot place-kicker. Samoans have "black" skin, but I do > not believe they are Africans or descended from Africans (although I could > be wrong on this part). Why is this important, you might ask. Because > someone (and we all know whothat probably was!) did something unusual with > a character instead of just going with the obvious. The ex-Viper was Mercer. In GI Joe: The Movie, he had a slight Australian accent, but his card says he's from West Virginia. IIRC, he was also the only Renegade later released on his own (though, oddly, his PMS was listed as "Mercenary", which makes no sense). The ex-NFL player was Red Dog. Hope this helps. Peas, Zach who's making his first-ever post to this list --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n323.14 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:23:08 -0500 (EST) >I know this point was mentioned b4 but I hae something yo add that just >came to mind when reading this post. GI*Joe isnt in the same >realm[universe] as we live in. OK now look at comics and there realms. >Superman is what now 75? and he looks to be in his 20s and isnt Mr >fantastic 60 or so he looks 30 the only one Ive ever sean age in comics is >whats his face in Marvel comics with the eye patch. Remember GI*Joe is a >toyline.....TOYS ARE SOPOSED TO BE FUN......... > >My 3/7 cents worth > >Black Shadow I get your point. I was just saying that because I think it's kinda funny. With GIJoe it seems funnier to me, since they were in Vietnam. In Superman there isn't any referance to time or any events that happened that I know of. Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- END gijoe.v001.n323 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:56:25 1998 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:03:57 -0800 (PST) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n324 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n324 -------------- 001 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama 002 - cedwards@tcia.net (Christ - Aging Joes 003 - ANDRE JOHNSON - Re: oktober guard G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.1 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:12:27 -0500 (EST) Yeah, I said that but I didn't really know how they could. I bet they could find a way though ;) Josh Scott Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.2 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Aging Joes Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:06:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The discussion on the Joes' ages has touched before on whether the file cards would be revised to make the Joes younger for the coming new releases. There is some precedent for this-When a profile of Hawk was done for Action Force/European Missions, he was described as having enlisted too late to see action in Vietnam. This contradicts the comics' continuity, which has Hawk in uniform, albeit stateside, when Snake Eyes comes home. I don't know whether this revised story came from Hasbro or Marvel UK, but it shows that somebody was more than willing to disregard the established character. That led me to wonder-how many Joes were in Vietnam? We know, of course, of Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker, and Hawk was in the army, though I can't recall any solid evidence that he was ever in-country. A quick check of file cards shows that Wild Bill was also a LRRP (did he ever meet the other LRRPs, I wonder). Leatherneck was in the 1st Recon Bn, "the roughest tech sergeant" in Vietnam. Duke is even given actual dates, enlisting in 1967 and going special forces in 1969. Those are the main ones I could find that specifically indicated Vietnam service, there are probably other references elsewhere. That's seven major Joes who would be pushing fifty. Now here's the thing, as I see it-we know that some of these characters had important, formative experiences in Vietnam. We could count in the Baroness in this respect, also. The canon, the Marvel comic, is specific in this regard. So to now say that, for instance, Snake Eyes first saw action in Desert Storm, undermines the character. I consider myself a GI Joe purist. James Bond purists will tell you that Commander James Bond served in World War Two and should now be well into retirement age. They may enjoy the movies, but they don't view them as "true events in the life of James Bond." Hardcore Sherlock Holmes devotees can tell you almost to the day when Holmes was born, and when he retired, all before World War One. So how to account for movies in which Holmes fights Nazis? They're wrong, period. Enjoyable, maybe, but wrong. So I'm hoping Hasbro doesn't tinker with the Joes' ages, or at least doesn't specifically contradict anything that's gone before. High John (weapons do not shoot) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.3 --------------- From: ANDRE JOHNSON Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n321 -Reply Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:48:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Red Dogs nationality & others As a correction, Red Dog wasn't african american, he was Samoan. At least that is what my file card indicates. Also, it has been written that to a great extent about the different cultural\ethnic make ups within Cobra. Of all the Villainous Cobra members, only Storm Shadow isn't white. The Baroness, Destro (???), Major Bludd, Zartan & his flunkies are all white. True, they all have different nationalities, which allow for cultural differences, but when take a look at each of them (ok, maybe Zartan and his chameleon technique disqualifies him from this) they are all of Caucasian decent. Mind U I am aware of the TOYS R SUPPOSED 2 B FUN rule ( which is why in my mind none of this matters), but our friends at the census bureau would undoubtedly classify the aforementioned villains as white. If I'm wrong somebody let me know please. Which again brings up Cobra & the Civil Rights Bill. Who cares, bad guys are bad no matter what color they happen to be. The toy line, the cartoon, & the comic book had legions of masked Cobra personnel. For the sake of argument, let us agree that some of this malcontents were other than white and move on to much greener pastures. For instance, has anybody spotted any of the 97 Joes at their local TRU???? "We Americans have a chance to become someday a nation in which all racial stocks and classes can exist in their own selfhoods, but meet on a basis of respect and equality and live together, socially, economically, and politically. We can become a dynamic equilibrium, a harmony of many different elements, in which the whole is greater than all its parts and greater than any society the world has seen before." - Shirley Chisholm --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.4 --------------- From: Dan Carber Subject: Aging and Power Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:01:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710280323.TAA10714@lists1.best.com> Ok...since I've got a few minutes free time, I would like to address some of the topics being tossed around the past few days: Cobra vs the world: I think that the goal of Cobra to rule the world isn't that of outright domination, but rather control behind the scenes. The reason why I say this, is because if the whole world KNEW they were being taken over, then there would be a massive revolt, and an enormous protest by the people of the world. If Cobra were to try to take over by force, everyone who had a weapon of any kind would do thier best to fight them off, and Cobra may not succeed. If they did, it would be messy and they would have lost a sizable amount of thier army. However, I believe that their idea of world domination is to take over bits and pieces of governments, corporations, etc silently, and behind the scenes where the common people of the world wouldn't even notice. Companies are bought and sold and control is passed daily. For an example, Kenner was taken over by Hasbro, and who noticed? (or vice versa) not too many people noticed or were affected. However, control no longer rests in the hands of the other, and money could be funelled to areas we wouldn't even know of. And now, a highly patriotic, anti-Cobra employee of Kenner is now working FOR Cobra, without even knowing it. What would this accomplish? Money is power, and if you control it all, the world is yours. Aging: I think the continuity of the ages of characters SHOULD be kept....a 40+ year old soldier can be in incredible shape and still kick major butt. Vietnam was a long time ago, and Snake Eyes deserves the opportunity to retire and relax. He spent his whole life fighting, let him grow old and enjoy the years he's lost, no matter how valuable he may be. And Hawk being in his 50's sounds good for a man of his rank (major general now?) And granted, time in comics doesn't happen nearly as quickly in real life, time does still pass. Even though they're bringing back the line and am anxious to see some of my old favorites, I truly feel that they should mainly introduce a new force. I'd say a good ratio would be 25% old, 75% new. Cobra doesn't matter too much, most are wearing masks anyway. And another thing about aging....Its not very realistic for all these highly qualified soldiers/airmen/seamen/etc to all be ages 24-34. It does take a bit of time to get promoted and become 'exceptionally highly trained'. There should be some older characters, and they should be the old ranks, giving guidance to the new blood. Just an opinion and it happens to be mine. Enjoy! dan dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.5 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n321 -Reply Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:15:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 01:48 PM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >Re: Red Dogs nationality & others > >For the sake of argument, let us agree that >some of this malcontents were other than white and >move on to much greener pastures. GREEN? Cobra had GREEN men? Oh, man!...Cobra had aliens within their ranks, too! They really were/are an equal opportunity employer! ----------------------------------->< "We are all people of color..."---------->< ----------------------------------------------->< --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.6 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Cannon Fodder: GI Joe for a computer Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:18:45 EST I just picked up a new computer game in the cheepie rack at OfficeMax. It's called Cannon Fodder. You are assigned a few troops and you run around and shoot the enemy. It's basicallly GI Joe: Special Missions. You recover hostages, destroy buildings, eliminate an entire village of evil consctripts for the enemy. If you see it, it's worth the $5.99 to pick it up. BTW- Somebody said they were trying to be a GI Joe for halloween. After extensive looking, I found my dad's army fatigues. Joe CODE NAME: Overdrive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.7 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Joe scripts? Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:11:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As most of you probably know, there were rumors of a live-action GI Joe movie for several years. The status of same was tracked in the comics letters page, and was a pretty on-again, off-again affair, apparently, as is typical of Hollywoodland. What I'm wondering is... Has anybody ever seen a draft script for the movie project? If it's like most Hollywood product, it probably had innumerable story treatments and script drafts, even if it never got close to going into production. I would imagine that these scripts have to be around, somewhere. It's not unusual for copies of un-made or early-draft scripts to reach collectors, I've seen dealers elling "Aliens vs. Predator" and "Indiana Jones 4" scripts that were never actually filmed. Has anybody ever seen one of these? I've checked a few screenplay related sites, but no joy so far. Any thoughts, ideas, input? Wouldn't you love know to know what it might have been like? (On a similar note, if it ever were made-Patrick Stewart as Destro. Maybe? Think of that voice. You could put somebody else in the suit, and he could voice-over it ala James Earl Jones doing Darth Vader) High John (weapons do not shoot) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.8 --------------- From: Benjamin Thomas Subject: Re: Aging Joes Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:34:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710281819.KAA11370@lists1.best.com> > That led me to wonder-how many Joes were in Vietnam? We know, of course, > of Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker, and Hawk was in the army, though > I can't recall any solid evidence that he was ever in-country. A quick > check of file cards shows that Wild Bill was also a LRRP (did he ever meet > the other LRRPs, I wonder). Leatherneck was in the 1st Recon Bn, "the > roughest tech sergeant" in Vietnam. Duke is even given actual dates, > enlisting in 1967 and going special forces in 1969. Those are the main ones > I could find that specifically indicated Vietnam service, there are > probably other references elsewhere. That's seven major Joes who would be > pushing fifty. Let's not forget Mainframe! Also, though his file card mentions nothing of the sort, I would not be surprised if Repeater had served in the war. Ben Thomas, BIThomas@worldnet.att.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.9 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n323 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:11:55 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710280402.UAA27791@lists1.best.com> On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 gijoe-errors@lists.best.com wrote: > 014 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama > > I get your point. I was just saying that because I think it's kinda funny. > With GIJoe it seems funnier to me, since they were in Vietnam. In Superman > there isn't any referance to time or any events that happened that I know of. > > Josh > Scott > > Pawsha@aol.com Except for that one time Supeman fought Mohhamed Ali... or when he met president Reagan during the "Legends" crossover (and many other times as well)....mmmmmmhhh.... I guess there are plenty of those, after all. But that's okay. They don't have to age unless we want them to. And, hey, what the heck, we can always have some mega-galactic-cosmic-supercalifragilistic-bigger-than-thou crossover event in which the Joe team saves the unverse from the secret cobra big-bang doomsday onslaught zero hour war device, and have everyone born anew, right? :-) Just kiddin'... Rod KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.10 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: oktober guard Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:13:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey!! I noticed Adam mentioned the O.G. and the joes met in the cartoon. I missed this episode! What happened in it? or did you mean their first meeting in the comic? Rod KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.11 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: oktober guard Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:01:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710290213.SAA27174@lists1.best.com> On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Rod Pellegrini wrote: > Hey!! I noticed Adam mentioned the O.G. and the joes met in the cartoon. I > missed this episode! What happened in it? or did you mean their first > meeting in the comic? They met twice in the comics, once when Cobra faked an alien invasion and later in "Arise, Serpentor, Arise!" Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.12 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: oktober guard Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:57:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710290301.TAA17647@lists1.best.com> On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Adam Bernay wrote: > They met twice in the comics, once when Cobra faked an alien invasion and > later in "Arise, Serpentor, Arise!" Well, the brain's on high today...I meant they met twice in the *CARTOON*... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.13 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Joe scripts? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:04:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The other suggestion for Destro was Mitch Pileggi (Skinner of the X-Files) He is already tall, bald, and in good shape. On Tuesday, October 28, 1997 9:12 PM, Christopher Edwards [SMTP:cedwards@tcia.net] wrote: > As most of you probably know, there were rumors of a live-action GI Joe > movie for several years. The status of same was tracked in the comics > letters page, and was a pretty on-again, off-again affair, apparently, as > is typical of Hollywoodland. What I'm wondering is... > Has anybody ever seen a draft script for the movie project? If it's like > most Hollywood product, it probably had innumerable story treatments and > script drafts, even if it never got close to going into production. I would > imagine that these scripts have to be around, somewhere. It's not unusual > for copies of un-made or early-draft scripts to reach collectors, I've seen > dealers elling "Aliens vs. Predator" and "Indiana Jones 4" scripts that > were never actually filmed. Has anybody ever seen one of these? I've > checked a few screenplay related sites, but no joy so far. Any thoughts, > ideas, input? Wouldn't you love know to know what it might have been like? > > (On a similar note, if it ever were made-Patrick Stewart as Destro. Maybe? > Think of that voice. You could put somebody else in the suit, and he could > voice-over it ala James Earl Jones doing Darth Vader) > > High John > (weapons do not shoot) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.14 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: Joes aging. Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:08:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the only ones that will worry about the "age" of the Joes, is people like us. Those that by the Joes new probably won't have any idea how old the characters are supposed to be. And we, can just pretend these new battle togs were from either where the comic left off, or were never reflected in the comic for classified reasons. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.15 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: oktober guard Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:36:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710290213.SAA27174@lists1.best.com> At 8:13 PM -0600 10/28/97, Rod Pellegrini wrote: >Hey!! I noticed Adam mentioned the O.G. and the joes met in the cartoon. I >missed this episode! What happened in it? or did you mean their first >meeting in the comic? In "The Invaders", the Joes and Oktober Guard team up to battle an alien invasion. Of course, the invasion is a hoax perpetrated by Cobra. Coolest part of the episode was the rivalry between Gung-Ho and Horrorshow. The episode was scribed by G.I.Joe editor Denny O'Neil. Then later, there was "The Great Alaskan Land Rush". It had Cobra taking over Alaska, but with G.I.Joe, Cobra, and the Oktober Guard chasing after the "great seal of Alaska" which would determine ownership of Alaska. The Oktober Guard is misnamed here "Red Oktober" the entire episode. Amusing episode, to say the least. -Eugene eson@mail.com *-------------------------------------------------------------------* Yo Joe! | Fight Spam! *-------------------------------------------------------------------* "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard --------------- END gijoe.v001.n324 --------------- From gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Mon May 4 20:56:42 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 05:03:28 -0800 (PST) From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com Reply-To: gijoe@lists.best.com To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n325 -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n325 -------------- 001 - "Asif's Mailing Service" - Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n324 002 - James McFadden - Re: Marvel Universe 018 - Ian & Melanie Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n324 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:50:57 -0500 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:03:57 -0500 > From: gijoe-errors@lists.best.com > Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n324 > Reply-to: gijoe@lists.best.com > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > > -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n324 -------------- > > 001 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama > 002 - cedwards@tcia.net (Christ - Aging Joes > 003 - ANDRE JOHNSON 004 - Dan Carber 005 - "Gary W. DeVoe" 006 - joe1635@juno.com (Joe M G - Cannon Fodder: GI Joe for a computer > 007 - cedwards@tcia.net (Christ - Joe scripts? > 008 - Benjamin Thomas 009 - Rod Pellegrini 010 - Rod Pellegrini 011 - Adam Bernay 012 - Adam Bernay 013 - Ian & Melanie 014 - Ian & Melanie 015 - Eugene - Re: oktober guard > > G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.1 --------------- > > From: Pawsha@aol.com > Subject: Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:12:27 -0500 (EST) > > Yeah, I said that but I didn't really know how they could. I bet they could > find a way though ;) > > Josh Scott > Pawsha@aol.com > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.2 --------------- > > From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) > Subject: Aging Joes > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:06:28 -0800 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The discussion on the Joes' ages has touched before on whether the file > cards would be revised to make the Joes younger for the coming new > releases. There is some precedent for this-When a profile of Hawk was done > for Action Force/European Missions, he was described as having enlisted too > late to see action in Vietnam. This contradicts the comics' continuity, > which has Hawk in uniform, albeit stateside, when Snake Eyes comes home. I > don't know whether this revised story came from Hasbro or Marvel UK, but it > shows that somebody was more than willing to disregard the established > character. > That led me to wonder-how many Joes were in Vietnam? We know, of course, > of Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker, and Hawk was in the army, though > I can't recall any solid evidence that he was ever in-country. A quick > check of file cards shows that Wild Bill was also a LRRP (did he ever meet > the other LRRPs, I wonder). Leatherneck was in the 1st Recon Bn, "the > roughest tech sergeant" in Vietnam. Duke is even given actual dates, > enlisting in 1967 and going special forces in 1969. Those are the main ones > I could find that specifically indicated Vietnam service, there are > probably other references elsewhere. That's seven major Joes who would be > pushing fifty. > Now here's the thing, as I see it-we know that some of these characters > had important, formative experiences in Vietnam. We could count in the > Baroness in this respect, also. The canon, the Marvel comic, is specific in > this regard. So to now say that, for instance, Snake Eyes first saw action > in Desert Storm, undermines the character. I consider myself a GI Joe > purist. James Bond purists will tell you that Commander James Bond served > in World War Two and should now be well into retirement age. They may enjoy > the movies, but they don't view them as "true events in the life of James > Bond." Hardcore Sherlock Holmes devotees can tell you almost to the day > when Holmes was born, and when he retired, all before World War One. So how > to account for movies in which Holmes fights Nazis? They're wrong, period. > Enjoyable, maybe, but wrong. > So I'm hoping Hasbro doesn't tinker with the Joes' ages, or at least > doesn't specifically contradict anything that's gone before. > > High John > (weapons do not shoot) > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.3 --------------- > > From: ANDRE JOHNSON > Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n321 -Reply > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:48:14 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Disposition: inline > > Re: Red Dogs nationality & others > > As a correction, Red Dog wasn't african american, > he was Samoan. At least that is what my file card > indicates. > > Also, it has been written that to a great extent about > the different cultural\ethnic make ups within > Cobra. Of all the Villainous Cobra members, only > Storm Shadow isn't white. The Baroness, Destro > (???), Major Bludd, Zartan & his flunkies are all > white. True, they all have different nationalities, > which allow for cultural differences, but when take > a look at each of them (ok, maybe Zartan and his > chameleon technique disqualifies him from this) > they are all of Caucasian decent. Mind U I am aware > of the TOYS R SUPPOSED 2 B FUN rule ( which is > why in my mind none of this matters), but our > friends at the census bureau would undoubtedly > classify the aforementioned villains as white. If I'm > wrong somebody let me know please. > > Which again brings up Cobra & the Civil Rights > Bill. Who cares, bad guys are bad no matter what > color they happen to be. The toy line, the cartoon, & > the comic book had legions of masked Cobra > personnel. For the sake of argument, let us agree that > some of this malcontents were other than white and > move on to much greener pastures. For instance, has > anybody spotted any of the 97 Joes at their local > TRU???? > > > "We Americans have a chance to become someday > a nation in which all racial stocks and classes can > exist in their own selfhoods, but meet on a basis of > respect and equality and live together, socially, > economically, and politically. We can become a > dynamic equilibrium, a harmony of many different > elements, in which the whole is greater than all its > parts and greater than any society the world has seen > before." - Shirley Chisholm > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.4 --------------- > > From: Dan Carber > Subject: Aging and Power > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:01:32 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > In-Reply-To: <199710280323.TAA10714@lists1.best.com> > > > Ok...since I've got a few minutes free time, I would like to address some > of the topics being tossed around the past few days: > > Cobra vs the world: > > I think that the goal of Cobra to rule the world isn't that of outright > domination, but rather control behind the scenes. The reason why I say > this, is because if the whole world KNEW they were being taken over, then > there would be a massive revolt, and an enormous protest by the people of > the world. If Cobra were to try to take over by force, everyone who had a > weapon of any kind would do thier best to fight them off, and Cobra may not > succeed. If they did, it would be messy and they would have lost a sizable > amount of thier army. However, I believe that their idea of world > domination is to take over bits and pieces of governments, corporations, > etc silently, and behind the scenes where the common people of the world > wouldn't even notice. Companies are bought and sold and control is passed > daily. For an example, Kenner was taken over by Hasbro, and who noticed? > (or vice versa) not too many people noticed or were affected. However, > control no longer rests in the hands of the other, and money could be > funelled to areas we wouldn't even know of. And now, a highly patriotic, > anti-Cobra employee of Kenner is now working FOR Cobra, without even > knowing it. What would this accomplish? Money is power, and if you > control it all, the world is yours. > > Aging: > > I think the continuity of the ages of characters SHOULD be kept....a 40+ > year old soldier can be in incredible shape and still kick major butt. > Vietnam was a long time ago, and Snake Eyes deserves the opportunity to > retire and relax. He spent his whole life fighting, let him grow old and > enjoy the years he's lost, no matter how valuable he may be. And Hawk > being in his 50's sounds good for a man of his rank (major general now?) > And granted, time in comics doesn't happen nearly as quickly in real life, > time does still pass. Even though they're bringing back the line and am > anxious to see some of my old favorites, I truly feel that they should > mainly introduce a new force. I'd say a good ratio would be 25% old, 75% > new. Cobra doesn't matter too much, most are wearing masks anyway. And > another thing about aging....Its not very realistic for all these highly > qualified soldiers/airmen/seamen/etc to all be ages 24-34. It does take a > bit of time to get promoted and become 'exceptionally highly trained'. > There should be some older characters, and they should be the old ranks, > giving guidance to the new blood. > > Just an opinion and it happens to be mine. Enjoy! > > dan > dcarber@tiac.net > > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.5 --------------- > > From: "Gary W. DeVoe" > Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n321 -Reply > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:15:50 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > At 01:48 PM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Re: Red Dogs nationality & others > > > >For the sake of argument, let us agree that > >some of this malcontents were other than white and > >move on to much greener pastures. > > GREEN? Cobra had GREEN men? Oh, man!...Cobra had aliens within their ranks, > too! They really were/are an equal opportunity employer! > > > ----------------------------------->< > "We are all people of color..."---------->< > ----------------------------------------------->< > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.6 --------------- > > From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) > Subject: Cannon Fodder: GI Joe for a computer > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:18:45 EST > > I just picked up a new computer game in the cheepie rack at OfficeMax. > It's called Cannon Fodder. You are assigned a few troops and you run > around and shoot the enemy. It's basicallly GI Joe: Special Missions. > You recover hostages, destroy buildings, eliminate an entire village of > evil consctripts for the enemy. If you see it, it's worth the $5.99 to > pick it up. BTW- Somebody said they were trying to be a GI Joe for > halloween. After extensive looking, I found my dad's army fatigues. > > Joe > CODE NAME: Overdrive > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.7 --------------- > > From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) > Subject: Joe scripts? > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:11:30 -0800 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > As most of you probably know, there were rumors of a live-action GI Joe > movie for several years. The status of same was tracked in the comics > letters page, and was a pretty on-again, off-again affair, apparently, as > is typical of Hollywoodland. What I'm wondering is... > Has anybody ever seen a draft script for the movie project? If it's like > most Hollywood product, it probably had innumerable story treatments and > script drafts, even if it never got close to going into production. I would > imagine that these scripts have to be around, somewhere. It's not unusual > for copies of un-made or early-draft scripts to reach collectors, I've seen > dealers elling "Aliens vs. Predator" and "Indiana Jones 4" scripts that > were never actually filmed. Has anybody ever seen one of these? I've > checked a few screenplay related sites, but no joy so far. Any thoughts, > ideas, input? Wouldn't you love know to know what it might have been like? > > (On a similar note, if it ever were made-Patrick Stewart as Destro. Maybe? > Think of that voice. You could put somebody else in the suit, and he could > voice-over it ala James Earl Jones doing Darth Vader) > > High John > (weapons do not shoot) > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.8 --------------- > > From: Benjamin Thomas > Subject: Re: Aging Joes > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:34:43 +0000 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > References: <199710281819.KAA11370@lists1.best.com> > > > That led me to wonder-how many Joes were in Vietnam? We know, of course, > > of Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker, and Hawk was in the army, though > > I can't recall any solid evidence that he was ever in-country. A quick > > check of file cards shows that Wild Bill was also a LRRP (did he ever meet > > the other LRRPs, I wonder). Leatherneck was in the 1st Recon Bn, "the > > roughest tech sergeant" in Vietnam. Duke is even given actual dates, > > enlisting in 1967 and going special forces in 1969. Those are the main ones > > I could find that specifically indicated Vietnam service, there are > > probably other references elsewhere. That's seven major Joes who would be > > pushing fifty. > > Let's not forget Mainframe! Also, though his file card mentions nothing > of the sort, I would not be surprised if Repeater had served in the war. > > Ben Thomas, BIThomas@worldnet.att.net > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.9 --------------- > > From: Rod Pellegrini > Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n323 > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:11:55 -0600 (CST) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > In-Reply-To: <199710280402.UAA27791@lists1.best.com> > > On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 gijoe-errors@lists.best.com wrote: > > 014 - Pawsha@aol.com - Re: Snake Eyes aging and Larry Hama > > > > I get your point. I was just saying that because I think it's kinda funny. > > With GIJoe it seems funnier to me, since they were in Vietnam. In Superman > > there isn't any referance to time or any events that happened that I know of. > > > > Josh > > Scott > > > > Pawsha@aol.com > > Except for that one time Supeman fought Mohhamed Ali... or when he met > president Reagan during the "Legends" crossover (and many other times as > well)....mmmmmmhhh.... I guess there are plenty of those, after all. > > But that's okay. They don't have to age unless we want them to. And, hey, > what the heck, we can always have some > mega-galactic-cosmic-supercalifragilistic-bigger-than-thou crossover > event in which the Joe team saves the unverse from the secret cobra > big-bang doomsday onslaught zero hour war device, and have everyone born > anew, right? :-) > > Just kiddin'... > Rod > > KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" > KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// > KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini > KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! > KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu > KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper > KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you > > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.10 --------------- > > From: Rod Pellegrini > Subject: oktober guard > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:13:44 -0600 (CST) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > Hey!! I noticed Adam mentioned the O.G. and the joes met in the cartoon. I > missed this episode! What happened in it? or did you mean their first > meeting in the comic? > > Rod > > KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" > KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// > KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini > KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! > KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu > KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper > KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you > > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.11 --------------- > > From: Adam Bernay > Subject: Re: oktober guard > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:01:19 -0800 (PST) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > In-Reply-To: <199710290213.SAA27174@lists1.best.com> > > > On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Rod Pellegrini wrote: > > > Hey!! I noticed Adam mentioned the O.G. and the joes met in the cartoon. I > > missed this episode! What happened in it? or did you mean their first > > meeting in the comic? > > They met twice in the comics, once when Cobra faked an alien invasion and > later in "Arise, Serpentor, Arise!" > > > Adam Bernay > CODE NAME: Maccabee > > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.12 --------------- > > From: Adam Bernay > Subject: Re: oktober guard > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:57:10 -0800 (PST) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > In-Reply-To: <199710290301.TAA17647@lists1.best.com> > > > On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Adam Bernay wrote: > > > They met twice in the comics, once when Cobra faked an alien invasion and > > later in "Arise, Serpentor, Arise!" > > Well, the brain's on high today...I meant they met twice in the > *CARTOON*... > > > Adam Bernay > CODE NAME: Maccabee > > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.13 --------------- > > From: Ian & Melanie > Subject: RE: Joe scripts? > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:04:29 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The other suggestion for Destro was Mitch Pileggi (Skinner of the X-Files) > > He is already tall, bald, and in good shape. > > On Tuesday, October 28, 1997 9:12 PM, Christopher Edwards [SMTP:cedwards@tcia.net] wrote: > > As most of you probably know, there were rumors of a live-action GI Joe > > movie for several years. The status of same was tracked in the comics > > letters page, and was a pretty on-again, off-again affair, apparently, as > > is typical of Hollywoodland. What I'm wondering is... > > Has anybody ever seen a draft script for the movie project? If it's like > > most Hollywood product, it probably had innumerable story treatments and > > script drafts, even if it never got close to going into production. I would > > imagine that these scripts have to be around, somewhere. It's not unusual > > for copies of un-made or early-draft scripts to reach collectors, I've seen > > dealers elling "Aliens vs. Predator" and "Indiana Jones 4" scripts that > > were never actually filmed. Has anybody ever seen one of these? I've > > checked a few screenplay related sites, but no joy so far. Any thoughts, > > ideas, input? Wouldn't you love know to know what it might have been like? > > > > (On a similar note, if it ever were made-Patrick Stewart as Destro. Maybe? > > Think of that voice. You could put somebody else in the suit, and he could > > voice-over it ala James Earl Jones doing Darth Vader) > > > > High John > > (weapons do not shoot) > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.14 --------------- > > From: Ian & Melanie > Subject: Joes aging. > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:08:55 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I think the only ones that will worry about the "age" of the Joes, is > people like us. Those that by the Joes new probably won't have any idea how > old the characters are supposed to be. And we, can just pretend these new > battle togs were from either where the comic left off, or were never > reflected in the comic for classified reasons. > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n324.15 --------------- > > From: Eugene > Subject: Re: oktober guard > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:36:54 -0800 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > In-Reply-To: <199710290213.SAA27174@lists1.best.com> > > At 8:13 PM -0600 10/28/97, Rod Pellegrini wrote: > >Hey!! I noticed Adam mentioned the O.G. and the joes met in the cartoon. I > >missed this episode! What happened in it? or did you mean their first > >meeting in the comic? > > In "The Invaders", the Joes and Oktober Guard team up to battle an alien > invasion. Of course, the invasion is a hoax perpetrated by Cobra. Coolest > part of the episode was the rivalry between Gung-Ho and Horrorshow. The > episode was scribed by G.I.Joe editor Denny O'Neil. > > Then later, there was "The Great Alaskan Land Rush". It had Cobra taking > over Alaska, but with G.I.Joe, Cobra, and the Oktober Guard chasing after > the "great seal of Alaska" which would determine ownership of Alaska. The > Oktober Guard is misnamed here "Red Oktober" the entire episode. Amusing > episode, to say the least. > > > -Eugene > > > eson@mail.com > *-------------------------------------------------------------------* > Yo Joe! | Fight Spam! > *-------------------------------------------------------------------* > "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you > ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard > > > > > --------------- END gijoe.v001.n324 --------------- > > How do I unsubscribe to this? --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.2 --------------- From: James McFadden Subject: RE: Aging Joes Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:22:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >We know, of course, of Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker, > and Hawk was in the army, though I can't recall any solid > evidence that he was ever in-country. A quick check of file >cards shows that Wild Bill was also a LRRP (did he ever meet >the other LRRPs, I wonder). Leatherneck was in the 1st Recon >Bn, "the roughest tech sergeant" in Vietnam. Duke is even given >actual dates, enlisting in 1967 and going special forces in 1969. > Those are the main ones I could find that specifically indicated > Vietnam service, there are probably other references elsewhere. Mainframe is also mentioned as being in Southeast Asia for the last year of the war. The cartoon kind of points to him being older. I remember him mentioning hie ex-wife. Keep in mind, not everyone who is in the real army is 25 or 30 years old. Making Duke around 40 at the beginning probably makes sense. Most Master Sergeants are probably middle-aged. Even if the comic continued, I doubt the characters' ages would be a factor. After all, while Duke, Hawk, Stalker, Snakes and Stormy would be older, other major Joes like Flint, Lady Jaye, Roadblock, etc. aren't necessarily that old. I prefer to think that besides Hawk, Snake-Eyes and Stalker, the original Joes were fairly young. For example, Breaker's rank is corporal on his filecard, but in the filecard reprint in issue #1 he's a private first class. I would think that'd make him the youngest on the team at the beginning. Also, I've always thought Scarlett is much younger than Snake-Eyes. Interestingly, in the comic series Destro and the Baroness are both younger than Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Stalker and Hawk. They're shown as being teenagers in 1968 when Snake-Eyes and the others are in Vietnam. Ahem. I'd hate to plug my site so obviously, but my dates for the pre-#1 events in the chronology are about as accurate as I can calculate. James McFadden ---------------------------------------------------------------- Author of JMM's G.I. Joe Comics Home Page at http://www.netcom.com/~mikejmc/gihome.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.3 --------------- From: cedwards@tcia.net (Christopher Edwards) Subject: Incongruities Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:52:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As is occasionally my habit, I have been re-reading my Joe comics from start to finish, and I've come across a couple of things I was wondering about- *Way back in issue ten, we get our first glimpses of Snake Eyes past when the late, lamented Doctor Venom has him hooked up to the brain-wave scanner. Among the images Snake Eyes recalls are his famaily's death-first as a headline, then a rain-swept funeral. The picture indicates there were four coffins-so who's in that fourth coffin? Or is this a memory of some other multiple funeral? Had it rough, didn't he? He also remembers "the last chopper out of Saigon." We see the tumult of the falling city, and the landing strut of a rising slick. So was Snake Eyes on this chopper? Was he in Vietnam from Tet in '68 to the fall of Saigon? That's a long time-more than the "two tours" Stalker later alludes to. I guess this could be a memory of something Snake Eyes saw on TV or read about, rather than a personal experience- *A few issues later, we get some early background on Destro as he talks in private with the Baroness. She can't bring herself to call him "that name." What name? Destro? That's his real name, isn't it? Is she just used to calling him James? Then, when Destro doffs his mask-the Baroness FAINTS! Huh? Now, we eventually get a real good look at Mr. Destro. He looks sort of like James Mason, I thought. At any rate, he's not bad looking. He certainly isn't disfigured under the mask. Was the Baroness just overwhelmed by the emotion of it all? Maybe she got hold of some bad seafood... One more thought on the aging of the Joes-wouldn't Junkyard be about eighty dog years old by now? And yes, I do walk around just thinking up stuff to post to this group. I am having so much fun. Thanks, folks. High John (weapons do not shoot) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.4 --------------- From: Larry Hama Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n324 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:16:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Just a general reply to some questions in the air. I never factored in the aging process when I first did the dossiers because we never expected the G.I. Joe toy line to run more than three years. That is the expected lifetime of a toy. Who knew? There were at least two drafts of the G.I. Joe movie script, and I actually got to read one of them. It was written by the Gentile Brothers who later formed Abrams Gentile Entertainment; they created Sky Dancer, the Nintendo Power Glove among others. As I remember it, it had nothing to do with what I thought of as the "core characters" and centered on the ten or so new figures at the time. (I beleive MERCER was in it.) It wasn't a bad script, but it also wasn't about the Joes as we know them from either the comic, the toy, or the tv show. I actually saw Cobra as being a pyramid scheme that went awry and Cobra Commander as a scammer who started to believe in the nuts and bolts of his own scam. Greed, rather than racism was the central motivating theme. Let us not forget that there were many who underwent bizarre surgery in order to pilot various vehicles, thereby renouncing to a great degree, their humanity. These Cobra guys started out selling vitamins, household cleaning products, water filters and Florida real estate to their friends and neighbors, they started putting on uniforms and marching in torch-lit parades. Larry Hama --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.5 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: Marvel Universe Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:36:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's my question. How come in the comics GI*Joe/Cobra & Transformers never met The X-Men. FF, Ghost Rider, or Spider-Man. Wern't they all part of the MARVEL UNIVERSE???? Cyric Hywind CODE NAME: Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth shall we find ourselves. -- http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.6 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: RE: Joe scripts? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:52:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710290510.VAA17066@lists1.best.com> At 12:04 AM 10/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >The other suggestion for Destro was Mitch Pileggi (Skinner of the X-Files) > >He is already tall, bald, and in good shape. > >On Tuesday, October 28, 1997 9:12 PM, Christopher Edwards [SMTP:cedwards@tcia.net] wrote: >> As most of you probably know, there were rumors of a live-action GI Joe >> movie for several years. The status of same was tracked in the comics >> letters page, and was a pretty on-again, off-again affair, apparently, as >> is typical of Hollywoodland. What I'm wondering is... >> Has anybody ever seen a draft script for the movie project? If it's like >> most Hollywood product, it probably had innumerable story treatments and >> script drafts, even if it never got close to going into production. I would >> imagine that these scripts have to be around, somewhere. It's not unusual >> for copies of un-made or early-draft scripts to reach collectors, I've seen >> dealers elling "Aliens vs. Predator" and "Indiana Jones 4" scripts that >> were never actually filmed. Has anybody ever seen one of these? I've >> checked a few screenplay related sites, but no joy so far. Any thoughts, >> ideas, input? Wouldn't you love know to know what it might have been like? >> >> (On a similar note, if it ever were made-Patrick Stewart as Destro. Maybe? >> Think of that voice. You could put somebody else in the suit, and he could >> voice-over it ala James Earl Jones doing Darth Vader) >> >> High John >> (weapons do not shoot) > > What about jackie Chann as Quick Kick? He could even be Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes Too. Tho this might pose a problem in a SS, SE fight scean. And what about Counsolar Troy[star trek] as the Baroness? That guy from NY Undercover as Road Block? That Biker-Guy from the Certs comercials(the one on the subway) as Monkey Wrench or maybe Road Pig? What about the female cop on picket fences as Ladyjay or scarlete? Just my 2 3/7 cents worth Cyric Hywind CODE NAME: Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth shall we find ourselves. -- http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.7 --------------- From: ANDRE JOHNSON Subject: Age & Joes & what not Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:27:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Just wanted to weigh in with my opinion on the matter. I like the idea of 25% old Joes & 75% new Joes. As far as the age thing I wouldn't mind if they picked up where they left off with the Joes being the same age as they were. That way age wouldn't be a factor & we would still get to have older Joes re-introduced as (if God is a Joe fan) the line continues into the future. As far as it (lack of aging) being explained, it was all just a very bad dream. That's it, a bad dream, Sgt. Savage never existed, G.I. Joe X-treme never existed, yup that's the ticket. Also, I have a question for anybody in the Washington D.C. area, I've been trying to locate the Corps ( I think that's their name) from Lanard Toys, does anyone know where I might be able to find them? I've checked TRU & KB and Another Universe but nadda. Question: I myself liked the 3 3/4 release of the "classic Joes" ( the navy seal, marine etc.) I don't ever recall anyone mentioning if they thought those releases were good or bad (mind U I've only been a member of the list serve for a day or two). I've included them in my barracks as hand picked members of my 3 3/4 Joseph Coltrain unit, along with the Leatherneck figure that was painted with the same type of material. They're a special type of unit all to themselves. Along that line, did hasbro ever release a classic bad guy type of figure & were their other figures released with them besides the astronaut? peace be upon U all --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.8 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: oktober guard Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:30:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710290536.VAA27293@lists1.best.com> On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Eugene wrote: > Then later, there was "The Great Alaskan Land Rush". It had Cobra taking > over Alaska, but with G.I.Joe, Cobra, and the Oktober Guard chasing after > the "great seal of Alaska" which would determine ownership of Alaska. The > Oktober Guard is misnamed here "Red Oktober" the entire episode. Amusing > episode, to say the least. WHOOPS, I forgot this one. So, they appeared thrice in the cartoon: "The Invaders", "The Great Alaskan Land Rush", and "Arise, Serpentor, Arise!" Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.9 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: RE: Aging Joes Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:36:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710291415.GAA01031@lists1.best.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, James McFadden wrote: > Mainframe is also mentioned as being in Southeast Asia for the > last year of the war. The cartoon kind of points to him being > older. I remember him mentioning hie ex-wife. His big mentions of his age, etc occur in "Arise, Serpentor, Arise!" In the first ep, he mentions when he was in Viet Nam (specifically, when he was on guard duty and partook in the *OCCASIONAL* diversion), and in the episode where he and Beachhead go to protect Vlad Tepes' crypt, he mentions that Transylvania "reminds him of when he used to take his kids trick-or-treating". Say, what is Mainframe's rank, anyway? > Keep in mind, not everyone who is in the real army is 25 or > 30 years old. Making Duke around 40 at the beginning probably > makes sense. Most Master Sergeants are probably middle-aged. Is there any doubt Duke made Sergeant Major of the Army before putting in his 30? Heck, maybe he's the current one's replacement! Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.10 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Incongruities Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:47:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710291552.HAA14950@lists1.best.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Christopher Edwards wrote: > *Way back in issue ten, we get our first glimpses of Snake Eyes past when > the late, lamented Doctor Venom has him hooked up to the brain-wave > scanner. Among the images Snake Eyes recalls are his famaily's death-first > as a headline, then a rain-swept funeral. The picture indicates there were > four coffins-so who's in that fourth coffin? Or is this a memory of some > other multiple funeral? Had it rough, didn't he? Could someone other then the family have been killed? IOW, might there have been someone else in the car, or on the street? > He also remembers "the last chopper out of Saigon." We see the tumult > of the falling city, and the landing strut of a rising slick. So was > Snake Eyes on this chopper? Was he in Vietnam from Tet in '68 to the > fall of Saigon? That's a long time-more than the "two tours" Stalker > later alludes to. I guess this could be a memory of something Snake Eyes > saw on TV or read about, rather than a personal experience- Might Snakes have gone back in the army after the LRRP days, before going to live with Tommy's family (or even after, yet in time to catch the tail end of Nam)? A lot of soldiers return after personal tragedies because "the service is the only home they have left." > One more thought on the aging of the Joes-wouldn't Junkyard be about > eighty dog years old by now? I think along the line "Junkyard" has been replaced with "Junkyard Jr", "Junkyard III", and maybe etc... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.11 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Marvel Universe Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:52:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710291634.IAA03522@lists1.best.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Cyric Hywind wrote: > Here's my question. How come in the comics GI*Joe/Cobra & Transformers > never met The X-Men. FF, Ghost Rider, or Spider-Man. Wern't they all part > of the MARVEL UNIVERSE???? Well...yes and no. The Transformers did once meet Spidey; However, Joe\Cobra and the Transformers are considered to be in their own universe, at least by most comic readers standards. Realize that not all comics put out by Marvel are in the Marvel Universe. After all, when did you ever Jem or Barbie cross with any of the above comics? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.12 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n324 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:02:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710291617.IAA26332@lists1.best.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Larry Hama wrote: > There were at least two drafts of the G.I. Joe movie script, and I > actually got to read one of them. It was written by the Gentile > Brothers who later formed Abrams Gentile Entertainment; they created > Sky Dancer, the Nintendo Power Glove among others. As I remember it, > it had nothing to do with what I thought of as the "core characters" > and centered on the ten or so new figures at the time. (I beleive > MERCER was in it.) It wasn't a bad script, but it also wasn't > about the Joes as we know them from either the comic, the toy, or the > tv show. Are you saying that this is or is not the script that was used, sir? It sure sounds like the script used! After all, the real main characters (IMO, at least) were Falcon, the "Rawhides" (many of whom were never even toys and probably not in the comics, either), and the Renegades. Not exactly main-line characters. > I actually saw Cobra as being a pyramid scheme that went awry and Cobra > Commander as a scammer who started to believe in the nuts and bolts of > his own scam. Greed, rather than racism was the central motivating > theme. Let us not forget that there were many who underwent bizarre > surgery in order to pilot various vehicles, thereby renouncing to a > great degree, their humanity. These Cobra guys started out selling > vitamins, household cleaning products, water filters and Florida real > estate to their friends and neighbors, they started putting on uniforms > and marching in torch-lit parades. That's what made it so real! I could buy that these guys started out in an organization that seemed like a combination of Amway and the Elks, and then got caught up in the whole deal. Kinda reminds me of the way some of the Militias recruit nowadays. Spooky, ain't it? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.13 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: RE: Joe scripts? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:17:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710291650.IAA09816@lists1.best.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Cyric Hywind wrote: > What about jackie Chann as Quick Kick? He could even be Storm Shadow and > Snake Eyes Too. Tho this might pose a problem in a SS, SE fight scean. You can have *ANY* martial artist\stuntman play Snakes - he spends the whole movie mute and wearing a mask! Chann would be great as Storm Shadow, but he looks too old to be Quick-Kick. (This feeds into that whole age thing, I know.) > And what about Counsolar Troy[star trek] as the Baroness? Marina Sirtis...*PERFECT!* She'd probably get a kick out of playing the villain, especially if Stewart was playing Destro. (Hello, Captain, darling!) > That guy from NY Undercover as Road Block? Don't laugh, but my first choices would be ether Lou Gossett Jr or Mr. T (suitably bald-capped, of course!). Mr. T's got the right voice, and both of them would be age-appropriate. > What about the female cop on picket fences as Ladyjay or scarlete? Hmmm...Lauren Holly...interesting...Lady Jaye, I could believe. Scarlett, again, too young. How about these: Rutger Hauer: Duke or Hawk Wil Wheaton: Lifeline Lou Gossett Jr: Doc (if Mr. T is cast as Roadblock) Rick Shroder(sp?): Falcon Brian White (country singer): Cross-Country Tim Curry: Cobra Commander or Major Bludd Christopher Lloyd: Cobra Commander (if Curry is cast as Bludd) MORE CAST MEMBERS TO COME... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.14 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: Re: Marvel Universe Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:25:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:36 AM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >Here's my question. How come in the comics GI*Joe/Cobra & Transformers >never met The X-Men. FF, Ghost Rider, or Spider-Man. Wern't they all part >of the MARVEL UNIVERSE???? > Actually the transformers did meet spiderman(issue 3),and the joes met J.J. Jameson.(issue 95) Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.focus-asia.com/home/CobraCommander/ email dlmar@dmv.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.15 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: More Casting Calls (was: RE: Joe scripts?) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:42:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710291650.IAA09816@lists1.best.com> Okay, a few more ideas: Jack Pallance: Wild Bill Arnold Schwarzeneggar: Colonel Brekhov Harrison Ford: Hawk (assuming Rutger Hauer is Duke) Bronson Pinchot (in a dual role): Tomax & Xamot Tom Selleck: Shipwreck Alan Ruck: Breaker (but he must grow a beard and mustache!) Fred Thompson: Admiral Keel-Haul Brent Spiner: Mainframe (no jokes, please, I just realized he looks like the character and could probably flesh him out well!) Daniel Davis: Flint William O. Campbell: Ace Denise Crosby: Lady Jaye Colm Meany: Tollbooth If you don't know who some of these people are, let me know! Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.16 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Yet More Casting Calls (was: RE: Joe scripts?) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:58:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710292142.NAA20242@lists1.best.com> Some of these are bound to be a bit controversial. If you question the reasons why, ask: Mitch Pileggi: Colonel Sharp David Duchovny: Zartan Luke Perry: Zandar Sarah Michelle Geller: Zarana Robert Duncan McNeil: Firefly Richard Dean Anderson: Recondo Olivia D'Abo: Covergirl Yet more casting calls coming up! Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.17 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Marvel Universe Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:44:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199710291634.IAA03522@lists1.best.com> At 10:36 AM -0600 10/29/97, Cyric Hywind wrote: >Here's my question. How come in the comics GI*Joe/Cobra & Transformers >never met The X-Men. FF, Ghost Rider, or Spider-Man. Wern't they all part >of the MARVEL UNIVERSE???? I love to be able to say this - let's refer to the G.I.Joe : A Real American FAQ . ####5. So was G.I.Joe part of the Marvel Universe?#### No. G.I.Joe was supposed to take place in the "real" world - no cross-overs with the X-Men or the Punisher. However, G.I.Joe had two cross-overs with the Transformers. While TF fans may disagree, the Transformers were shown to be in the Marvel Universe with crossovers in Secret Wars 2 and Spiderman. It's safe to say, however, that the two cross-overs with the Transformers were abberations from the normal continuity. ************************************ I'll defend that last statement - I think the two cross-overs with the Transformers were abberations from the the normal continuity. The first mini-series was a joke. The second one with the Dr.Biggles-Jones and the rail gun was more acceptable, but still not something I'd consider "canon". G.I.Joe ain't in the Marvel Universe - I'd consider any references to such as in-jokes. There was that time that the little kid in G.I.Joe #27 points to Storm Shadow and shouts "Moon Knight!" Of course, I couldn't believe that some of the kids at school thought that that meant G.I.Joe was in the Marvel Universe. I mean, c'mon. The big thing that makes people think that G.I.Joe was in the Marvel Universe was because of the tie-ins with the Transformers. G.I.Joe never bumped around the Savage Land, got into adventures with Spiderman, had their villains have run-ins with the Beyonder. Hasbro had its way of trying to use G.I.Joe to sell more TFs, and Transformers to sell more Joes - with the two Marvel comic books, the cartoon hour, and the attempt to jump-start Transformers Generation 2 with the G.I.Joe comic book. If it wasn't for the fact that the crew at Hasbro isn't the same as the ones back then, I wouldn't be surprised if we see Duke bumping around with Optimus Primal next season on television. Hell, be even more afraid if Jem makes a comeback. I can see the Holograms, bumping around with D'Compose from the Inhumanoids, locking up with Shipwreck and Duke, all while being attacked by Megatron, Charles Barkley, and the Visionaries. -Eugene (child of the 80s) eson@mail.com *-------------------------------------------------------------------* Yo Joe! | Fight Spam! *-------------------------------------------------------------------* "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.18 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Incongruities Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:50:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe Snake Eyes returned home after his first tour, the one we knew about, and then after the family tragedy re enlisted. He was alone in the world, and was very dangerous, so he signed up for front line duty. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Bernay [SMTP:abernay@psnw.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 3:47 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Re: Incongruities On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Christopher Edwards wrote: > *Way back in issue ten, we get our first glimpses of Snake Eyes past when > the late, lamented Doctor Venom has him hooked up to the brain-wave > scanner. Among the images Snake Eyes recalls are his famaily's death-first > as a headline, then a rain-swept funeral. The picture indicates there were > four coffins-so who's in that fourth coffin? Or is this a memory of some > other multiple funeral? Had it rough, didn't he? Could someone other then the family have been killed? IOW, might there have been someone else in the car, or on the street? > He also remembers "the last chopper out of Saigon." We see the tumult > of the falling city, and the landing strut of a rising slick. So was > Snake Eyes on this chopper? Was he in Vietnam from Tet in '68 to the > fall of Saigon? That's a long time-more than the "two tours" Stalker > later alludes to. I guess this could be a memory of something Snake Eyes > saw on TV or read about, rather than a personal experience- Might Snakes have gone back in the army after the LRRP days, before going to live with Tommy's family (or even after, yet in time to catch the tail end of Nam)? A lot of soldiers return after personal tragedies because "the service is the only home they have left." > One more thought on the aging of the Joes-wouldn't Junkyard be about > eighty dog years old by now? I think along the line "Junkyard" has been replaced with "Junkyard Jr", "Junkyard III", and maybe etc... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.19 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: Re: More Casting Calls (was: RE: Joe scripts?) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:46:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199710291650.IAA09816@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199710292142.NAA20242@lists1.best.com> At 01:42 PM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Okay, a few more ideas: > >Jack Pallance: Wild Bill LOL You got to be kidding. >Tom Selleck: Shipwreck I was thinking more along the lines of Bazooka Everyones intitled to his/her/there own opinion[sp] Cyric Hywind CODE NAME: BLACK SHADOW -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth shall we find ourselves. -- http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.20 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: More Casting Calls (was: RE: Joe scripts?) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:04:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199710300545.VAA16502@lists1.best.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Cyric Hywind wrote: > At 01:42 PM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Okay, a few more ideas: > > > >Jack Pallance: Wild Bill > > LOL You got to be kidding. Well, that one was a bit shaky...you have any ideas? > >Tom Selleck: Shipwreck > > I was thinking more along the lines of Bazooka Nah, Bazook's always looked and sounded a bit slow, and Selleck's not like that. I figured the characters of Thomas Magnum and Shipwreck showed a similar devil-may-care attitude covering up a kind hearted guy that's really concerned for others. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n325.21 --------------- From: Hyperion Subject: Re: Yet More Casting Calls (was: RE: Joe scripts?) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:44:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199710300059.QAA13556@lists1.best.com> Adam Bernay wrote: > > Some of these are bound to be a bit controversial. If you question thereasons why, ask: > Mitch Pileggi: Colonel SharpEr. Pardon my ignorance, but who's Colonel Sharp? Just wondering. Never heard of him before. -- Matt. --------------- END gijoe.v001.n325 ---------------