-------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n226 -------------- 001 - elvis@energy.it - Re: swimsuit edition 002 - "Dan C." - Re: San Diego Comic Con 003 - "Dan C." - some more questions 004 - "Travis L. Rodgers" - Re: Fwd: Our company 007 - "Dan C." - Re: Fwd: Our company - another thing 008 - "Yuval T. Kerstein" Lady Jaye has my vote.....no wonder Flint and LJ weren't in the movie (at >least not for very long ;P) > >although...what ever happened to Mara? Isn't she worthy of a swimsuit? > >Seriously though, artwork is getting beter and better Simona, keep it up. > > >dan >dan@bdi.com >dcarber@tiac.net As usual, many thanks to all the guys who let me know they like my drawing. I'm glad you like it, even if it's nothing more than a quick sketch. Dan, sorry Mara was not in, I intended to draw her too but since I can't recall her perfectly and have no eps taped with her... I could not draw her...!! Thanks you all!!! Simona, the It Baroness --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.2 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: San Diego Comic Con Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:37:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707162159.OAA18166@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707180215.TAA12945@lists1.best.com> >Anyways, I'm going to meet with her later in the weekend and ask her more >questions. If you have any - send them my way ASAP and I'll ask her. What I would like to know is what other kinds of Joe related items could we expect to see, along with the return of the figures, are there any plans to re-release the Sunbow cartoons as well? I'm just curious to know what other medium GI-Joe is planning to return on. dan dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.3 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: some more questions Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:38:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I got a collection from someone not too long ago, and as I was admiring my loot, I noticed that scarletts head feels really cheap. Its like a soft plastic, not a hard plastic like the regular ones. Same with cover girls head. However, I remember when i got my original Cover girl her head was a hard plastic like the rest of my joes. Anyone else notice this variation? Also, someone posted a complete guide to the "C" scale a while ago...I seem to have lost it, and was wondering if anyone could resend it to either me or the list. (I want to sell 1 or 2 things, and could really use it to gauge the condition of what I want to sell) thanks dan dan@bdi.com dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.4 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: some more questions Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:44:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I got a collection from someone not too long ago, and as I was admiring my > loot, I noticed that scarletts head feels really cheap. Its like a soft > plastic, not a hard plastic like the regular ones. Same with cover girls > head. However, I remember when i got my original Cover girl her head was a > hard plastic like the rest of my joes. Anyone else notice this variation? > > dan > dan@bdi.com > dcarber@tiac.net I just noticed the same thing on my Zarana. If my memory serves me correctly, When I was young, I had the First edition (w/ earrings) and it had the hard head..., but my new one is w/out earings, and has that "soft head". Weird..... Watch out, Hasbro!! I smell a discrimination suit! Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.5 --------------- From: svhs@webtv.net (Jason Murray) Subject: Fwd: Our company Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:06:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-1090228564-1371 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --WebTV-Mail-1090228564-1371 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --WebTV-Mail-1090228564-1371 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <199707181512.IAA02310@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> From: svhs@webtv.net (Jason Murray) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:12:51 -0400 To: svhs@webtv.net Subject: Our company Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Your are indeed right my friends, that IS sick! NOTHING was supposed to top $100! The individual we had to type the E-mail list HOPEFULLY made an error in the pricing, and I hope was not trying to get tips along with a salary! On behalf of Elm Liquidators, we apologize to those who have expressed their opinion about 'outrageous prices.' The internet is something that is new to our company. We had an 'expert' handle our internet marketing. Apparently this person did not improve the image and marketability of Elm Liquidators. This is individual is no longer employed by Elm Liquidators at this time. Elm Liquidators strives for customer satisfaction. Our goal is to give you high quality, hard to find collectables for the dedicated collector who seeks to have an as it was when the item fist appeared on store shelves. I wanted to see how the internet side of things were going, so I looked at the mail. I was alarmed at the amount of letters we recieved regarding pricing. I knew that our prices were fair, so I could not understand the problem. That's when I decided to take a look at the ad myself. When I did I could see what the problem was with my own eyes! I knew that something had to be done. I took the most appropriate action that I felt should be taken to uphold the good name of Elm Liquidators. Starting now, EVERY item on E-mail list #1 only, is now being discounted at 30%! That's right, you take 30% off of any item on list #1. This is my way of letting our customers know that you come first. Jerry Kraatz Elm Liquidators --WebTV-Mail-1090228564-1371-- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.6 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Fwd: Our company Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:25:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707181706.KAA11959@lists1.best.com> >Your are indeed right my friends, that IS sick! NOTHING was supposed to >top $100! The individual we had to type the E-mail list HOPEFULLY made >an error in the pricing, and I hope was not trying to get tips along >with a salary! >Starting now, EVERY item on E-mail list #1 only, is now being discounted >at 30%! That's right, you take 30% off of any item on list #1. Hmm....if I were to take 30% off of $150 it would be $105, which is still over $100 including the 30% discount. Would take a lot more than that to impress me dan dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.7 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Fwd: Our company - another thing Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:30:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707181706.KAA11959@lists1.best.com> >On behalf of Elm Liquidators, we apologize to those who have expressed >their opinion about 'outrageous prices.' I thought that a Liquidator was one who sold things at an extremely low price, just to move the item off the shelves? If they want to call themselves Liquidators, they should be selling the items at a cost equal or below what they were selling them in the 80's, not at a huge markup. If I'm buying something from a 'Liquidator' I want to pay prices that are LOWER than a hobby/collectible shop, not at comparable or higher. Whats in a name? Do you go to Kentucky Fried Chicken for donuts? 'Nuff said, True belivers dan dan@bdi.com dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.8 --------------- From: "Yuval T. Kerstein" Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n225 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 21:41:06 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707180501.WAA16964@lists1.best.com> Hi people. Can anyone help me out here about the GIJOE magazine? What is it exactly? was it related to the comics? When was the first comics issue published? when did it stop? how many comics were there? the same about the cartoons? Thanx Yuval Kerstein --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.9 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Our company Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:59:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gee! "We'll only screw you half as much, now....." Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Jason Murray > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Fwd: Our company > Date: Friday, July 18, 1997 12:06 PM > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.10 --------------- From: Thaddeus Moren Subject: Re: Fwd: Our company Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:04:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707181706.KAA11959@lists1.best.com> Basically he apologizes, but still wants to sell you a 1985 carded Barbeque for $105? Not a very good apology for me. Two words, N - O ! Thad At 01:06 PM 7/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >Message-Id: <199707181512.IAA02310@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> >From: svhs@webtv.net (Jason Murray) >Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:12:51 -0400 >To: svhs@webtv.net >Subject: Our company >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) > >Your are indeed right my friends, that IS sick! NOTHING was supposed to >top $100! The individual we had to type the E-mail list HOPEFULLY made >an error in the pricing, and I hope was not trying to get tips along >with a salary! > >On behalf of Elm Liquidators, we apologize to those who have expressed >their opinion about 'outrageous prices.' > >The internet is something that is new to our company. We had an >'expert' handle our internet marketing. Apparently this person did not >improve the image and marketability of Elm Liquidators. This is >individual is no longer employed by Elm Liquidators at this time. > >Elm Liquidators strives for customer satisfaction. Our goal is to give >you high quality, hard to find collectables for the dedicated collector >who seeks to have an as it was when the item fist appeared on store >shelves. > >I wanted to see how the internet side of things were going, so I looked >at the mail. I was alarmed at the amount of letters we recieved >regarding pricing. I knew that our prices were fair, so I could not >understand the problem. That's when I decided to take a look at the ad >myself. When I did I could see what the problem was with my own eyes! >I knew that something had to be done. I took the most appropriate >action that I felt should be taken to uphold the good name of Elm >Liquidators. > >Starting now, EVERY item on E-mail list #1 only, is now being discounted >at 30%! That's right, you take 30% off of any item on list #1. >This is my way of letting our customers know that you come first. > >Jerry Kraatz >Elm Liquidators > > Thad Moren tgmoren@earthlink.net Come see the CVFC archives at: http://home.earthlink.net/~tgmoren/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.11 --------------- From: Justin Haley Martin Subject: Snake Eyes the Movie Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:42:29 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707180501.WAA16964@lists1.best.com> In case any of you haven't heard, there will be a movie called _Snake Eyes_ starring Gary Sinise and Nicholas Cage. However, it has absolutely nothing to do with GI Joe. From what I've heard about the plot,though, it is about some elite government agents. Just wanted to pass on this interesting tidbit of info. BTW, could Hasbro successfully sue whoever is making this movie for the title? Justin --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.12 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Fwd: Our company Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:31:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By the way.....this person says an "expert" handled their internet business, so why did all of this come from a "web-tv" address? Doesn't sound too "professional" to me........crack-heads. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Thaddeus Moren > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: Fwd: Our company > Date: Friday, July 18, 1997 3:04 PM > > Basically he apologizes, but still wants to sell you a 1985 carded Barbeque > for $105? Not a very good apology for me. > > Two words, N - O ! > > Thad > > > At 01:06 PM 7/18/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Message-Id: <199707181512.IAA02310@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net> > >From: svhs@webtv.net (Jason Murray) > >Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:12:51 -0400 > >To: svhs@webtv.net > >Subject: Our company > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > >MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) > > > >Your are indeed right my friends, that IS sick! NOTHING was supposed to > >top $100! The individual we had to type the E-mail list HOPEFULLY made > >an error in the pricing, and I hope was not trying to get tips along > >with a salary! > > > >On behalf of Elm Liquidators, we apologize to those who have expressed > >their opinion about 'outrageous prices.' > > > >The internet is something that is new to our company. We had an > >'expert' handle our internet marketing. Apparently this person did not > >improve the image and marketability of Elm Liquidators. This is > >individual is no longer employed by Elm Liquidators at this time. > > > >Elm Liquidators strives for customer satisfaction. Our goal is to give > >you high quality, hard to find collectables for the dedicated collector > >who seeks to have an as it was when the item fist appeared on store > >shelves. > > > >I wanted to see how the internet side of things were going, so I looked > >at the mail. I was alarmed at the amount of letters we recieved > >regarding pricing. I knew that our prices were fair, so I could not > >understand the problem. That's when I decided to take a look at the ad > >myself. When I did I could see what the problem was with my own eyes! > >I knew that something had to be done. I took the most appropriate > >action that I felt should be taken to uphold the good name of Elm > >Liquidators. > > > >Starting now, EVERY item on E-mail list #1 only, is now being discounted > >at 30%! That's right, you take 30% off of any item on list #1. > >This is my way of letting our customers know that you come first. > > > >Jerry Kraatz > >Elm Liquidators > > > > > Thad Moren tgmoren@earthlink.net > Come see the CVFC archives at: > http://home.earthlink.net/~tgmoren/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.13 --------------- From: "Yuval T. Kerstein" Subject: 1st series vehicle drivers Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 03:14:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone!! Does anyone know of a swivel arm version of the 1st series vehicle drivers (hawk, red grand slam, clutch and steeler)? I know that all the other 1st series figures were rerealesed as swivel arms, but were the vehicles (with drivers) rerealesed too, with swivel arm drivers or were the drivers sold seprately? or not at all? Thanx Yuval Kerstein --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.14 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Snake Eyes the Movie Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:30:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707182142.OAA19443@lists1.best.com> On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Justin Haley Martin wrote: > In case any of you haven't heard, there will be a movie called _Snake > Eyes_ starring Gary Sinise and Nicholas Cage. However, it has absolutely > nothing to do with GI Joe. From what I've heard about the plot,though, it > is about some elite government agents. Just wanted to pass on this > interesting tidbit of info. BTW, could Hasbro successfully sue whoever is > making this movie for the title? Probably...or they might cut a deal the way they did with the upcoming film G.I. JANE, which is also TM-ed by Hasbro. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.15 --------------- From: philip1@iamerica.net Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n224 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:36:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707170418.VAA11942@lists1.best.com> Dan, Check out my web site. I have a few of the items you want. I have a HISS driver with logo but it's with a HISS tank. I've sold some stuff to Travis Rogers (He always posts to the GI Joe Digest.) Thanks, Philip Nelson --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.16 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n224 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 21:15:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good stuff......Here's his URL: > http://cust2.iamerica.net/philip1/toys.htm Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: philip1@iamerica.net > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n224 > Date: Friday, July 18, 1997 8:36 PM > > Dan, > Check out my web site. I have a few of the items you want. I have a HISS > driver with logo but it's with a HISS tank. I've sold some stuff to > Travis Rogers (He always posts to the GI Joe Digest.) > > Thanks, > Philip Nelson --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.17 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: 1st series vehicle drivers Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:04:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:14 AM 7/19/97 +0300, you wrote: >Hi Everyone!! > >Does anyone know of a swivel arm version of the 1st series vehicle >drivers (hawk, red grand slam, clutch and steeler)? I know that all the >other 1st series figures were rerealesed as swivel arms, but were the >vehicles (with drivers) rerealesed too, with swivel arm drivers or were >the drivers sold seprately? or not at all? > >Thanx >Yuval Kerstein I'm pretty sure they were all re-released with swivel-arm. I can only say that Steeler was for sure, because I have that one. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.18 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Snake Eyes the Movie Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:11:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:42 PM 7/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >In case any of you haven't heard, there will be a movie called _Snake >Eyes_ starring Gary Sinise and Nicholas Cage. However, it has absolutely >nothing to do with GI Joe. From what I've heard about the plot,though, it >is about some elite government agents. Just wanted to pass on this >interesting tidbit of info. BTW, could Hasbro successfully sue whoever is >making this movie for the title? > >Justin Jeez, Nicholas Cage is almost as busy a guy as John Travolta. :) But seriously, I wouldn't see how Hasbro could sue and win. The term "Snake Eyes" has been around a lot longer than GI Joe. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.19 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Fwd: Our company (ELM Liq.) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:07:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:31 PM 7/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >By the way.....this person says an "expert" handled their internet >business, so why did all of this come from a "web-tv" address? Doesn't >sound too "professional" to me........crack-heads. Haha, crackheads, I love that one. Well said though (and also well-said Dan C.), these guy(s) are a bunch of goof-balls. I think everyone saw my post of last week echoing the nasty little email they sent me, but just in case you didn't just email me and I'll forward it to you. Should eliminate any doubts about their lameness. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.20 --------------- From: Mike Nonsense Subject: Re: Snake Eyes the Movie Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 00:55:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707190030.RAA16814@lists1.best.com> Snake Eyes- 1. A finisher perfected by Kevin Nash of WCW. 2. A term for rolling two ones. 3. To have bad eyesight. 4. A G.I. Joe characrer. G.I. Jane- 1. A term used in military for a female army/military ensign. 2. The female version of the G.I. Joe doll. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n226.21 --------------- From: "Danny" Subject: elm liqu. Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 00:52:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't you think that if you were to have something posted as part of your bussiness, that you might want to check it first? Sounds like excellent management at work! It still insults the hell out of me that they think we are almost as dumb as they are in the first place to belive them. Maybe they should check out some infomercials to at least learn how to be better swindlers. How can we as a whole come together to protect are hobby and intrests in keeping it as pure as possible, as it should be? Suggestions? danny b. --------------- END gijoe.v001.n226 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n227 -------------- 001 - "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: elm liqu. Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 09:03:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:52 AM 7/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Don't you think that if you were to have something posted as part of your >bussiness, that you might want to check it first? Sounds like excellent >management at work! It still insults the hell out of me that they think we >are almost as dumb as they are in the first place to belive them. Maybe >they should check out some infomercials to at least learn how to be better >swindlers. How can we as a whole come together to protect are hobby and >intrests in keeping it as pure as possible, as it should be? Suggestions? > danny b. > The best thing you can do is tell everyone you know when you meet up with an obvious swindler/group of lamers like this. Word of mouth is probably the best weapon and warning your fellow collectors on this list is an excellent method. Warning USENET wouldn't be a bad idea either... -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.2 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Re: Elm Liquadators Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:24:13 EDT Is it just me, or is this bozo on the list? He posted like he is. Can our friendly neighborhood listmasters please give this guy the boot? And 30% off of a 500% over priced figure never worked for me. Joe Code Name-Overdrive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.3 --------------- From: ACJ1717@aol.com Subject: Re: 1st series vehicle drivers Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 18:04:26 -0400 (EDT) All of the figures were re-released as swivel arms, Steeler w/ the re-released Mobat Clutch w/ the re-released Vamp, and a tan version was re-released w/ the Vamp Mk II(Sweet Vehicle) Hawk was a mail-in I belive Grand Slam was re-released w/ the Jump pack, only he had silver chest and leg armor ACJ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.4 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Joe rip-offs? Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 19:36:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently, the local Wal-mart has surfaced some figures that seem to resemble the 3 3/4 line. They come in a 4-pack, that also includes a motorcycle.....They're not the best looking items in the world, but might be good for customizing.....Anyone familiar w/ these? The back of the card (their name escapes me) shows about 16 OTHER figures the company produces, but the store I was at only had several of the same assortment. Anyone know what these are called? Anyone used these for customs? Comments? etc. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.5 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Joe rip-offs? Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 20:16:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:36 PM 7/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Recently, the local Wal-mart has surfaced some figures that seem to >resemble the 3 3/4 line. They come in a 4-pack, that also includes a >motorcycle.....They're not the best looking items in the world, but might >be good for customizing.....Anyone familiar w/ these? The back of the >card (their name escapes me) shows about 16 OTHER figures the company >produces, but the store I was at only had several of the same assortment. > >Anyone know what these are called? >Anyone used these for customs? >Comments? etc. These are called The Corps! from Lanard Toys. They are pretty decent quality figures. These have actually been around for more than 10 years, but the color configurations you see now are only about 6 months old. Lanard's stuff keeps getting better and better. In not too long I will have a collector's reference and information center web page online for these figures, and other figures that Lanard has produced such as Lazer Force and Bio-Wing Battle Squadron (other 3 3/4" figures). Most of the back issues of the GI Joe 3 3/4" Newsletter have an article called "Other 3 3/4" figures" which has a lot of info on Lanard and the Corps!. Anyone who is interested in these should email me so I can put your name on my mailing list for Lanard upcoming product info. As for customs, you can use them for customs but be aware that the heads and chests are slightly larger than those made by Hasbro for GI Joe and might not look right together. All the parts are interchangeable though. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.6 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Test Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 20:22:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Did ya'll git thiz??? -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.7 --------------- From: BRubino316@aol.com Subject: Re: Test Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:53:31 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-19 21:30:47 EDT, you write: << Did ya'll git thiz??? -- >> Yep BR --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.8 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: Re: Test Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:46:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:22 PM 7/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Did ya'll git thiz??? >-- Yes Black Shadow For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.9 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Test Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 19:49:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707200122.SAA06351@lists1.best.com> Yes On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, Corey D. Stinson wrote: > Did ya'll git thiz??? > -- > _________________________________________________________________________ > // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ > \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // > // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ > \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // > // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ > \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // > // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ > \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// > // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ > \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.10 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: Re: 1st series vehicle drivers Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 23:29:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:04 PM 7/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >All of the figures were re-released as swivel arms, >Steeler w/ the re-released Mobat >Clutch w/ the re-released Vamp, and a tan version was >re-released w/ the Vamp Mk II(Sweet Vehicle) >Hawk was a mail-in I belive >Grand Slam was re-released w/ the Jump pack, only >he had silver chest and leg armor > >ACJ > > All first series vehicle drivers were rereleased with swivel arms,and with their vehicles. Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.11 --------------- From: ACJ1717@aol.com Subject: The new Destro Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 00:09:13 -0400 (EDT) I have seen a lot of posts on the Joe N.G. regaurding the new destro figure, Tom Wheeler is right on the money on the life preserver..er..92 Destro figure. What about this: 1988 Destro figure with the 1983 Destro's Arms(Wrist Rockets), and the 1992 Destro's Head(The only good thing about this figure) I already customized one like this and it looks pretty decent, one last thing, I just had some gold plating done to my Honda and I was thinking hey, if they can do it to the "H" on the hood, why can't they do it to a destro head? ACJ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.12 --------------- From: philip1@iamerica.net Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n226 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 01:27:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707191203.FAA05817@lists1.best.com> I found the ad below as a listing on some classified ads. What a DEAL!!!! He must have read a "Get Rich Quick" Book!!!! >FOR SALE >DATE: 7/9/97 >NAME: CHRIS TROXLER >E-MAIL: SVHS@WEBTV.NET >VINTAGE G.I.JOE'S >ARE YOU AN ADVID COLLECTOR LOOKING FOR THOSE HARD TO FIND, OUT OF DATE G.I.JOE'S IN >THEIR ORIGINAL PACKAGES OR LOOSE? IF SO, THEN YOU WILL WANT TO DO THIS>>> SEND $3.00 FOR >COMPLETE LISTINGS AND PRICES TO: >ELM LIQUIDATORS >C/O C. TROXLER >P.O. BOX 626 >NEW HAVEN,CT 06503 >THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n227.13 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Snake Eyes the Movie Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 03:53:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope so, then they can come out with a movie of their own! -----Original Message----- From: Justin Haley Martin [SMTP:jhmartin@us.itd.umich.edu] Sent: Friday, July 18, 1997 5:42 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Snake Eyes the Movie In case any of you haven't heard, there will be a movie called _Snake Eyes_ starring Gary Sinise and Nicholas Cage. However, it has absolutely nothing to do with GI Joe. From what I've heard about the plot,though, it is about some elite government agents. Just wanted to pass on this interesting tidbit of info. BTW, could Hasbro successfully sue whoever is making this movie for the title? Justin --------------- END gijoe.v001.n227 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n228 -------------- 001 - "Travis L. Rodgers" - Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.1 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 12:39:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go here!!!!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/~cobraisland/gipicfile/desimone.jpg Totally cool!!!!!!!!!! Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.2 --------------- From: Deplitch Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 22:02:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707201736.KAA27048@lists1.best.com> Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > Go here!!!!!!!!! > > http://www.geocities.com/~cobraisland/gipicfile/desimone.jpg > > Totally cool!!!!!!!!!! > > Travis L. Rodgers > trodger@arkansas.net > http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ I checked out your page and I'd like to buy a couple of your Joes. 88 Storm Shadow 89 Rock & Roll 91 Snake Eyes Mail me back and name a price. Nick "BossTank" Deplitch --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.3 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 14:14:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, but right now, I'm only interested in trading G.I.Joe figures....... Do you have any to TRADE? Thanks, Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Deplitch > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 > Date: Monday, August 27, 1956 5:02 PM > > Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > > > Go here!!!!!!!!! > > > > http://www.geocities.com/~cobraisland/gipicfile/desimone.jpg > > > > Totally cool!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Travis L. Rodgers > > trodger@arkansas.net > > http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > > > I checked out your page and I'd like to buy a couple of your Joes. > > 88 Storm Shadow > 89 Rock & Roll > 91 Snake Eyes > > Mail me back and name a price. > Nick "BossTank" Deplitch --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.4 --------------- From: Deplitch Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 22:16:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707201912.MAA18957@lists1.best.com> Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > Sorry, but right now, I'm only interested in trading G.I.Joe figures....... > Do you have any to TRADE? > > Thanks, > Travis L. Rodgers > trodger@arkansas.net > http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > > ---------- > > From: Deplitch > > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > > Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 > > Date: Monday, August 27, 1956 5:02 PM > > > > Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > > > > > Go here!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/~cobraisland/gipicfile/desimone.jpg > > > > > > Totally cool!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Travis L. Rodgers > > > trodger@arkansas.net > > > http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > > > > > > I checked out your page and I'd like to buy a couple of your Joes. > > > > 88 Storm Shadow > > 89 Rock & Roll > > 91 Snake Eyes > > > > Mail me back and name a price. > > Nick "BossTank" Deplitch None from your list. I am willing to pay up to $6 a head on those Joes. Nick "BossTank" Deplitch --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.5 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: Flagg sound Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Hi, I picked up a Flagg several months ago, but was disappointed to find that the sound system does not work. Anyone know how to fix it? Brian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.6 --------------- From: Deplitch Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 22:39:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707201912.MAA18957@lists1.best.com> Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > Sorry, but right now, I'm only interested in trading G.I.Joe figures....... > Do you have any to TRADE? > > Thanks, > Travis L. Rodgers > trodger@arkansas.net > http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > > ---------- > > From: Deplitch > > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > > Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 > > Date: Monday, August 27, 1956 5:02 PM > > > > Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > > > > > Go here!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/~cobraisland/gipicfile/desimone.jpg > > > > > > Totally cool!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Travis L. Rodgers > > > trodger@arkansas.net > > > http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > > > > > > I checked out your page and I'd like to buy a couple of your Joes. > > > > 88 Storm Shadow > > 89 Rock & Roll > > 91 Snake Eyes > > > > Mail me back and name a price. > > Nick "BossTank" Deplitch Actually I do have 92 Big Bear. Would you like to make an offer? Nick "BossTank" Deplitch --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.7 --------------- From: Thaddeus Moren Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:04:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707201736.KAA27048@lists1.best.com> Well, I wasn't too excited before. But, now that I've seen this picture. Woo-Hooo!! Thad At 12:39 PM 7/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >Go here!!!!!!!!! > >http://www.geocities.com/~cobraisland/gipicfile/desimone.jpg > >Totally cool!!!!!!!!!! > >Travis L. Rodgers >trodger@arkansas.net >http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > > Thad Moren tgmoren@earthlink.net Come see the CVFC archives at: http://home.earthlink.net/~tgmoren/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.8 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Sorry about posts........ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:05:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Again, I (and another party) are having problems w/ this mailing list. Everytime I "reply to author", I end up posting to the entire group...... I will pay careful attention to this problem in the future, and try to avoid it. Sorry, again. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.9 --------------- From: "Yuval T. Kerstein" Subject: Re: Test Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 01:35:42 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707201501.IAA24823@lists1.best.com> The only thing I got was the message about lanard and the one that said did ya'll get this? what was i supposed to get? --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.10 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Test Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707202238.PAA02044@lists1.best.com> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Yuval T. Kerstein wrote: > The only thing I got was the message about lanard and the one that said > did ya'll get this? > > what was i supposed to get? The message that said "did y'all get this?" is what you were supposed to get, Yuval. He's asking if his posts are getting to the List. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.11 --------------- From: Mark & Debbie Brockman Subject: Golubulus and Parts needed Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:35:25 -0400 Anyone every notice that a lot of the "promo" photos of Golubulus show him with a different "lower body" that allows him to stand upright? Was there ever a variation that actually came this way? There's no way in hell that the one I have could ever be placed in an upright position like some photos show. Also, I noticed in an insert that came with a vehicle, that his name is spelled Golubulus, while DeSimone has it spelled Golobulus. I don't have the card back. Anyone know how it's spelled on the card? Is this another DeSimone error? While I'm posting: - Anyone have an extra of the grey gun that came with the Nemisis Enforcer? - I'm also in need of the two black hoses that go with the Techno-Viper (#159) - And lastly, I need the black hose that goes with the Range-Viper (#277) (Note: Numbers above refer to the numbering scheme in DeSimone's Guides) Yo Joe, --Mark E-mail: brockman@one.net <<-- Collecting GI Joe in Cincinnati Ohio -->> --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.12 --------------- From: Dan Carber Subject: Re: Snake Eyes the Movie Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:12:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707190312.UAA17455@lists1.best.com> > Jeez, Nicholas Cage is almost as busy a guy as John Travolta. :) But >seriously, I wouldn't see how Hasbro could sue and win. The term "Snake >Eyes" has been around a lot longer than GI Joe. Whoever created the game 'craps' could sue hasbro.....snake eyes is a term for double 1's dan dan@bdi.com dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.13 --------------- From: Dan Carber Subject: Re: Joe rip-offs? Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:20:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707200033.RAA20066@lists1.best.com> >resemble the 3 3/4 line. They come in a 4-pack, that also includes a >motorcycle.....They're not the best looking items in the world, but might >be good for customizing.....Anyone familiar w/ these? >Anyone know what these are called? >Anyone used these for customs? >Comments? etc. These are called, "The Corps" I have quite a few of them, and yes...they are GREAT for customizing. The torso's are wider than joes, but the rest of the parts work really well... For now, thats basically what I'm using for customs, until I get more ratty joes. dan dan@bdi.com dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.14 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Snake Eyes the Movie Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 20:02:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707210210.TAA18733@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, Dan Carber wrote: > > > Jeez, Nicholas Cage is almost as busy a guy as John Travolta. :) But > >seriously, I wouldn't see how Hasbro could sue and win. The term "Snake > >Eyes" has been around a lot longer than GI Joe. > > Whoever created the game 'craps' could sue hasbro.....snake eyes is a term > for double 1's However, the term "Snake-Eyes" in craps was never copyrighted or trademarked, to my knowledge...did Hasbro trademark and/or copyright "Snake-Eyes" (as they did "G.I. Jane") is the question now... Adam Bernay --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.15 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Barracuda Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Yo Joes: OK, no more dream sequences...I got a question: Has anybody out there ever launched/sailed their Barracuda submarine? How does it perform? Do the decals stay in place? Where can one get additional "ballast tablets" ? -Gary ******************************** The Southwest Oncology Group Solid Tumor Repository ******************************** Gary W. DeVoe devoegw@ucbeh.san.uc.edu The University of Cincinnati 231 Bethesda Avenue Cincinnati, Ohio 45267-0529 P:(513) 558-4675 F:(513) 558-2289 "I enjoyed my youth so much that I decided to bring it along with me..." -Garret Cogan ******************************** --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n228.16 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:28:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707201736.KAA27048@lists1.best.com> At 12:39 PM 7/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >Go here!!!!!!!!! >http://www.geocities.com/~cobraisland/gipicfile/desimone.jpg >Totally cool!!!!!!!!!! Wow...I checked it out, and so far I like what I see, although it isn't that easy to see all very clearly *the figures are rather small* hopefully as the time approaches closer to their release, we'll get to see some clearer pics. But thus far, my opinions: Cobra Commander - Looks good!! I didn't expect him to look that great, but like the red scarf and the gold bands instead of black looks classy. The darker blue looks good too. Glad they stuck with the silver face plate. Still think he would look much better with a black cape and a gold scepter...lets hope Hasbro has the kindness to hear my plea and include them. Flash (?) - I'm only assuming its flash, the red appears to be repainted gold/tan instead of red. Not sure of my opinion on him yet, have to see a better pic of him. Although I will admit I think he'd look better with another color other than tan. (black pads and a lady jaye green would be sweet) Lady Jaye - Looks good from what I can tell, Like the black/dark grey better than green. Still, would rather have a fig of her without the hat, like in the cartoon. Is that a shield she has on her arm? The Guy in white (Alley Viper?) - Hard to tell any details on him, but from what I can see, I'm definitely intrigued and think he could be a really nice figure. Would REALLY like to see a more detailed picture. What are those things on his feet? Look like snowshoes....could this be a snow viper maybe? Duke & Mirage - Like the color of his legs I think its camo, but not sure. Don't like the yellow of his torso though. This one is gonna be a custom in my book. *a really nice custom duke with no painting is to take the legs & waist of the 2nd hawk and put them on the torso of the 1st Duke* Don't like the mirage motorcycle at all. Never did. A repaint of the RAM would have been nicer. Baroness - Looks GREAT, easily the best figure there. Totally impressed with this one. Gonna have to get a couple packs that she's on, just to get her torso and waist to do a few custom females. Scarlett - Looks very close to the original, and thats not bad at all. Storm Shadow - I like this one....the blue boots and wrist wraps are a little unusual, but the scratched out cobra insignia more than makes up for it! Glad he comes with a sai, although i would still prefer all weapons to be black Snake Eyes - Another good one...like the use of grey on black for his molded 'equipment'. I like it better than all black, it breaks it up a little more, and seems more detailed. The other two guys on the bottom right - Don't know who they are, too hard to tell for me, but they look ok...although the one second from right looks kinda goofy. This one might be firefly, and I sincerely hope not because from what i can see of him, I'd prefer the camo patern. The A-10 and pilot - Can't see the pilot well at all, but looks decent. I really like the plane. I'm gonna need at least 2 of these :) Well, thats my humble opinion, And I'm gonna stand by with my favorite being the Baronness. what do the rest of y'all think? dan dan@bdi.com dcarber@tiac.net --------------- END gijoe.v001.n228 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n229 -------------- 001 - Conor Malone - Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 006 - Eugene - Prototypes in the Catalogs (was Re: Golubulus and Parts needed 007 - Eugene - Comic Con Final Report 008 - Cyric Hywind - Off topic (sort of) G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.1 --------------- From: Conor Malone Subject: Re: Elm Liquadators Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:15:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707191724.KAA04478@lists1.best.com> Joe M Gallagher wrote: > > Is it just me, or is this bozo on the list? He posted like he is. Can > our friendly neighborhood listmasters please give this guy the boot? And > 30% off of a 500% over priced figure never worked for me. > > Joe > Code Name-Overdrive already done. conor -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Conor Malone cmalone@yahoo.com Yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Surfing Yahoo! Do You Yahoo!? My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Inc. 3400 Central Expressway Suite 201 Santa Clara, CA 95051 ------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.2 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:11:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lady Jaye - Looks good from what I can tell, Like the black/dark grey > better than green. Still, would rather have a fig of her without the hat, > like in the cartoon. Is that a shield she has on her arm? W/out a hat would be really cool, but unfortunately, for now, they're just doing repaints.....I think her arm's just behind something in the photographer's picture. (Note: All of these photos seem to be taken by a personal camera, and then cut out...so the figures were probably on display in San Diego or something... > > > Baroness - Looks GREAT, easily the best figure there. Totally impressed > with this one. Gonna have to get a couple packs that she's on, just to get > her torso and waist to do a few custom females. Agreed. Although Lady Jaye looks really cool, too. > Scarlett - Looks very close to the original, and thats not bad at all. Darker colors. Nice. > Storm Shadow - I like this one....the blue boots and wrist wraps are a > little unusual, but the scratched out cobra insignia more than makes up for > it! Glad he comes with a sai, although i would still prefer all weapons to > be black The sai may have just been for display purposes.....who knows? > The other two guys on the bottom right - Don't know who they are, too hard > to tell for me, but they look ok...although the one second from right looks > kinda goofy. This one might be firefly, and I sincerely hope not because > from what i can see of him, I'd prefer the camo patern. Took me FOREVER to figure out the one second from the right..........Snake Eyes!! Version 1!!!!! It's hard to tell, isn't it? The other figure is Torpedo. These figures all-in-all look really nice. I hope the quality remains important to Hasbro..... Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.3 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: FW: Sent from the MARS Pages Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 09:56:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, your mail keeps getting returned to me. Maybe they're related? -----Original Message----- From: David Raines [SMTP:dhraines@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 1997 1:00 AM To: iannmel@niagara.com Subject: Sent from the MARS Pages When I tryed to go to your vehicles page it says 404 not found. I think you need to fix this. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.4 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:45:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:28 PM 7/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 12:39 PM 7/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Go here!!!!!!!!! >>http://www.geocities.com/~cobraisland/gipicfile/desimone.jpg >>Totally cool!!!!!!!!!! > >Wow...I checked it out, and so far I like what I see, although it isn't >that easy to see all very clearly *the figures are rather small* hopefully >as the time approaches closer to their release, we'll get to see some >clearer pics. > Do you suppose that DeSimone did that goofball collage? -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.5 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:36:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707201736.KAA27048@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707211723.KAA01960@lists1.best.com> At 1:28 PM -0400 7/21/97, Dan C. wrote: >>http://www.geocities.com/~cobraisland/gipicfile/desimone.jpg > >Wow...I checked it out, and so far I like what I see, although it isn't >that easy to see all very clearly *the figures are rather small* hopefully >as the time approaches closer to their release, we'll get to see some >clearer pics. But thus far, my opinions: > >Cobra Commander - Looks good!! I didn't expect him to look that great, but >like the red scarf and the gold bands instead of black looks classy. The >darker blue looks good too. Glad they stuck with the silver face plate. >Still think he would look much better with a black cape and a gold >scepter...lets hope Hasbro has the kindness to hear my plea and include them. Agree - I'm glad they ditched the idea of the gold faceplate. And the darker colors do make him look more menacing. >Lady Jaye - Looks good from what I can tell, Like the black/dark grey >better than green. Still, would rather have a fig of her without the hat, >like in the cartoon. Is that a shield she has on her arm? Yup - it's Alley Viper's shield. Looks like whoever posed the figures took some liberties with the accessories. Lady Jaye has Alley Viper's shield, and Snake Eyes2 has Snake Eyes1's bomb pack. >The Guy in white (Alley Viper?) - Hard to tell any details on him, but from >what I can see, I'm definitely intrigued and think he could be a really >nice figure. Would REALLY like to see a more detailed picture. What are >those things on his feet? Look like snowshoes....could this be a snow >viper maybe? This one is Blizzard - too bad they're not doing him. He has cool accessories. >Duke & Mirage - Like the color of his legs I think its camo, but not sure. >Don't like the yellow of his torso though. This one is gonna be a custom >in my book. *a really nice custom duke with no painting is to take the >legs & waist of the 2nd hawk and put them on the torso of the 1st Duke* >Don't like the mirage motorcycle at all. Never did. A repaint of the RAM >would have been nicer. I love the Silver Mirage and I like their version. As for Duke, his chest does look WAY too yellow. Like old Vancouver Canucks jerseys. >Baroness - Looks GREAT, easily the best figure there. Totally impressed >with this one. Gonna have to get a couple packs that she's on, just to get >her torso and waist to do a few custom females. Agreed - this one is clearly the best fig out there. What a wild and great paint job. Too bad they don't tint her glasses green - that'd be the perfect last touch. >Scarlett - Looks very close to the original, and thats not bad at all. Agreed. Good fig. >Storm Shadow - I like this one....the blue boots and wrist wraps are a >little unusual, but the scratched out cobra insignia more than makes up for >it! Glad he comes with a sai, although i would still prefer all weapons to >be black Where'd they get the sai for this one? I doubt that they'd mess with the incredible accessories that the first Storm Shadow came with - it looks like maybe it's from Budo or Ice Viper. >Snake Eyes - Another good one...like the use of grey on black for his >molded 'equipment'. I like it better than all black, it breaks it up a >little more, and seems more detailed. Agreed - though they put him in a funky pose. What is that, speed walking? >The other two guys on the bottom right - Don't know who they are, too hard >to tell for me, but they look ok...although the one second from right looks >kinda goofy. This one might be firefly, and I sincerely hope not because >from what i can see of him, I'd prefer the camo patern. One is the 1st Snake Eyes - it has to be. The face paint is very similar to the Action Force version of Snake Eyes - which looks really cool. The gray paint breaks up the all black and still makes him look cool. >The A-10 and pilot - Can't see the pilot well at all, but looks decent. I >really like the plane. I'm gonna need at least 2 of these :) I love the paint job. Plus it looks like they did something to make the engines look more realistic - though, that could just be an effect from the blurriness of the pic. I agree with Corey, too. Who made this collage? It screams 7th grade yearbook. Yeesh! -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.6 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Prototypes in the Catalogs (was Re: Golubulus and Parts needed) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:36:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707210134.SAA09791@lists1.best.com> At 9:35 PM -0400 7/20/97, Mark & Debbie Brockman wrote: >Anyone every notice that a lot of the "promo" photos of Golubulus show him >with >a different "lower body" that allows him to stand upright? Was there ever >a variation >that actually came this way? There's no way in hell that the one I have >could ever >be placed in an upright position like some photos show. There're some cool prototype shots in the catalogs. The Golobulus is an obvious one, since he can stand up in the pics. Other cool ones- -Zartan's color scheme in the 1984 catalog is RED instead of brown -1984, Deep Six's head isn't his, it's Grunt's -1985, Tomax and Xamot have all new heads that look more like the cartoon versions -1985, Heavy Metal's head is a completely new resculpt - makes him look more like Gung-Ho The other one that pops to mind is how they changed "Clean-Sweep" from "Anti-Tox". -Eugene (who wishes there was more time for him to put some of this stuff up on the website) ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.7 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Comic Con Final Report Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:36:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707210134.SAA09791@lists1.best.com> WOW. I've finally recovered - here're the Joe stuff that I encountered at the San Diego Comic Con COMIC BOOKS - man, oh, man it's WEIRD seeing people sell Joe comics now. Few tables had G.I.Joe comics. Ones that did either had them for REALLY cheap - like in the 50 cent and $1 boxes, or they still had them priced high. "$10 for G.I.Joe #2? C-mon, what year are YOU living in?" I picked up an almost complete run of G.I.Joe Special Missions for 20cents and 50 cents each. G.I.Joe Comics could be had for $.25, $.50, and $1.00 each. Picked up about 30 issues, between #12 for $1 and #129 for $.25. Even picked up 20 copies of different Tales of G.I.Joe comics for 10cents a piece. A few European Missions for $.50 each - these stories are actually pretty cool. Oh yeah - and G.I.Joe vs Transformers set for $.80. Don't ask - in fact, don't read. They're god awful - waste of $.80. Lastly, picked up a really NEAT-O comic book - Blackthorne's G.I.Joe in 3D Annual #1. Altogether, not a bad story about Spearhead&Max and Muskrat coming upon a lab where Cobra is constructing Hydro-Vipers. I was pleasantly surprised - not a bad story, if a little on the childish side. Still, wish I could find a pair of 3-D glasses for it. :) CARTOONS Funny story - didn't get to meet Paul Dini, who writes for the great Batman Animated Series (soon to be Gotham Nights), but did talk to someone who's good friends with him. She told me that he *HATED* working on the G.I.Joe cartoon. I found this very funny, as she told me that they were told where to write the story and what toys to sell (which characters to use and which vehicles to spotlight). He'd write a story, and then they'd complain that "You didn't use the Silver Mirage motorcycle enough!" I wish I'd gotten a chance to talk to him - I'd love to see what he thinks of his work, since even though he wasn't under the best circumstances, he and the other G.I.Joe writers turned out some great stuff. I hit every Animation dealer in the place, found only one cel. $15 - spoke to a guy who had a few in his collection. He repeated the rumor that I've heard on rec.arts.animation that DIC destroyed many of their cels, since Hasbro wouldn't let them sell them. The ones that got out on the market seem to be from the "Long Live Rock & Roll" episodes. FIGURES Picked up a carded Drop Zone for $20 - first time I'd ever seen one for sale. Very neato. Also picked up a loose/complete SkyDive and Altitude - with parachutes, filecards, all accessories, for $10 each. But the creme were a few Argentinian exclusive G.I.Joes. Expect to see those on the website soon - there's a Cover Girl repaint named "Sparta", a Ripcord repaint named "Sokerk", and a Blowtorch repaint named "TNT". GACK - don't ask how much they were. Let's just say I'll be subsisting on quesadillas for a while. But for the most part, not much G.I.Joe stuff for sale at the Con. Only a couple dealers who, for the most part, charged too much (except for the Sky Patrol figs and the Argentinians). Still, I spoke to a 12" dealer who expects a big jump in 3 3/4" Joe fanaticism in the next five years. His theory made sense - involved kids who end up graduating from school and getting high paying jobs to spend more money on Joes. Gee, you'd think he was describing me. :) HASBRO The lady I spoke to on Thursday disappeared for the rest of the Con. Maybe she knew I would talk to her again. :) Anyways, got the impression that they're just doing the toy thing and that Griffin/Bacal will handle any cartoon/comic book tie in stuff - since they did it that way before. But to re-iterate, the stuff'll hit the toy floors during Christmas. How much will that SUCK? I was so disappointed that they didn't have any new Joe stuff that I almost missed the great Star Wars toys they had on display. Anyways, if you ever thought about coming out to Southern California, the San Diego Comic Con is the reason to come. It's huge, it takes 4 days to see everything, I got to see some cool never-shown-before Star Wars footage, got to meet and speak with writer/director lesser-god-of-writing Kevin Smith, got a stack of G.I.Joe comic books for next to nothing, a stack of greater-god-of-writing Chris Claremont comics, and a sweet sketchbook with a pen/ink of a monster trying to pick a bar fight with Boba Fett. Off to read comics and work on the website, Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.8 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:58:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:36 PM 7/21/97 -0700, you wrote: > > >I agree with Corey, too. Who made this collage? It screams 7th grade >yearbook. Yeesh! > > >-Eugene > > > maybe there going for that retro look, trying to give it that look to make you rememniss of your childhood of playing with Joes. Then a gain it could just be a very very bad pic(s). Black Shadow For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.9 --------------- From: "GERRY COFFMAN" Subject: Re: Barracuda Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 05:13:05 CST From: "Gary W. DeVoe" >Has anybody out there ever launched/sailed their Barracuda submarine? >How does it perform? Do the decals stay in place? Where can one get :additional "ballast tablets" ? >-Gary 1.Yes. 2.Yes. 3.Yes 4. Baking soda will serve as a replacement. Gerry A Campus Cop In Texas Who spends all of his time on fight calls. Hurry up cold weather! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.10 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:44:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:58 AM 7/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:36 PM 7/21/97 -0700, you wrote: > >> >>I agree with Corey, too. Who made this collage? It screams 7th grade >>yearbook. Yeesh! >> >>-Eugene >> >maybe there going for that retro look, trying to give it that look to make >you rememniss of your childhood of playing with Joes. Then a gain it could >just be a very very bad pic(s). Err, I dunno. :) I remember great artwork and great layouts as a kid, and that collage defintely didn't strike a nerve. Complaints aside, you have to thank the owner of that page for being the first to bring pictures of the new Joes to the web. I predict that within 4 weeks we will see some detailed photographs, nicely arranged, of the new Joes on some web page... maybe even mine?! :) -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.11 --------------- From: "Julian Wolfe" Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:57:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >The other two guys on the bottom right - Don't know who they are, too hard >to tell for me, but they look ok...although the one second from right looks >kinda goofy. This one might be firefly, and I sincerely hope not because >from what i can see of him, I'd prefer the camo patern. No need to worry. I know my Firefly(since he is my all-time-fav character) and I'm telling you this... It's Torpedo. The other guy next to him is Barbecue(bleyeccch!). You can trust me on this, because I think I was one of the few who knew what the mystery figure was in the collector's box by looking at the order form. By the way, LOL, is that a white chihuaua(sp?) by Snake Eyes' foot? :) Someone needs to learn the *productive* use of scaling! :) Julian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.12 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: 22 Jul 97 10:20:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julian Wolfe wrote: >No need to worry. I know my Firefly(since he is my all-time-fav character) >and I'm telling you this... It's Torpedo. The other guy next to him is >Barbecue(bleyeccch!). You can trust me on this, because I think I was one >of the few who knew what the mystery figure was in the collector's box by >looking at the order form. *BZZ* Guess again. I told Dan Carber who those two figures are, which has been verified by a few others: The one in the goofy position, just up from lower right, is indeed Torpedo. The one in the direct lower right corner is the first edition Snake-Eyes (to be included in the "Stars and Stripes" collection, last I'd heard), repainted to (as Eugene said) more closely resemble the Action Force version of that figure. (And, if you whip out your magnifying glass--or if you haven't ruined your eyes by staring at too many monitors :), it's pretty easy to see who the 'mystery' figure is, my friend...) >Julian Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.13 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:45:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit . I predict that within 4 weeks we will see some > detailed photographs, nicely arranged, of the new Joes on some web page... > maybe even mine?! :) That would be nice!!!!!! Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.14 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:37:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > No need to worry. I know my Firefly(since he is my all-time-fav character) > and I'm telling you this... It's Torpedo. Good Call. The other guy next to him is > Barbecue(bleyeccch!). You can trust me on this, because I think I was one > of the few who knew what the mystery figure was in the collector's box by > looking at the order form. Not so good of a call. Look carefully at his BODY, and what is painted on his body. It's the 1st Snake-Eyes. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n229.15 --------------- From: johne Subject: Off topic (sort of) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:36:07 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707220530.WAA18508@lists1.best.com> > I hit every Animation dealer in the place, found only one cel. $15 - spoke > to a guy who had a few in his collection. He repeated the rumor that I've > heard on rec.arts.animation that DIC destroyed many of their cels, since > Hasbro wouldn't let them sell them. The ones that got out on the market > seem to be from the "Long Live Rock & Roll" episodes. > A disturbing series of articles (beginning July 12) in Billboard magazine discussed how record archives were being thrown out to save money. It also discussed how existing collections were (or are) kept in second-rate facilities. Many of the archives are poorly organized and "maintained" by untrained employees. Much of the pre-tape era recordings are gone or missing. One of the article's sources said that even master tapes of artists from the '80's are gone. (Exactly which artists is unknown) Anyway it scary to think that entire collections of media are being wasted, and I'm sure the music industry isn't the only culprit. Eventually some of your favorite TV shows, and songs, may be gone forever. 8( John P. --------------- END gijoe.v001.n229 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n230 -------------- 001 - "Dan C." - Re: Comic Con Final Report 002 - "Dan C." - Re: Barracuda 003 - "Travis L. Rodgers" - Re: Comic Con Final Report 007 - Eugene - Re: Opinions... 008 - hz399@cleveland.Freenet.E - Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n229 009 - Cyric Hywind - DeSimone&Compendium (was Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n229) 011 - "Corey D. Stinson" - Major Bludd Question 013 - Rod Pellegrini Subject: Re: Comic Con Final Report Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:55:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707210134.SAA09791@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707220530.WAA18508@lists1.best.com> >COMIC BOOKS - man, oh, man it's WEIRD seeing people sell Joe comics now. >Few tables had G.I.Joe comics. Ones that did either had them for REALLY >cheap - like in the 50 cent and $1 boxes, or they still had them priced >high. "$10 for G.I.Joe #2? C-mon, what year are YOU living in?" Hmmm....seems like now is the time to go thru those 10 for a $1.00 bins and pick out all of those GI-Joe comics, before the new figures come out and the comic industry decides that the comics are now valuable again. >I found this very funny, as she told me that they were told where >to write the story and what toys to sell (which characters to use and which >vehicles to spotlight). He'd write a story, and then they'd complain that >"You didn't use the Silver Mirage motorcycle enough!" That would really SUCK! I hate doing being told what to do at work as it is, but being told what to do when your job is to be creative....YUCK!! No wonder he hated working on the series, it would grate on me after a while too. >I hit every Animation dealer in the place, found only one cel. $15 - spoke >to a guy who had a few in his collection. He repeated the rumor that I've >heard on rec.arts.animation that DIC destroyed many of their cels, since >Hasbro wouldn't let them sell them. The ones that got out on the market >seem to be from the "Long Live Rock & Roll" episodes. Sounds like someone adopeted cobra commanders "If I can't sell them, no one will" attitude. Guess thats the price you pay for writing plot lines of an already doomed character, who will develop according to the toy line, and not your story. Its a shame that the cartoon and comic were so controlled. >FIGURES >But the creme were a few Argentinian exclusive G.I.Joes. Expect to see >those on the website soon - there's a Cover Girl repaint named "Sparta", a >Ripcord repaint named "Sokerk", and a Blowtorch repaint named "TNT". GACK >- don't ask how much they were. Let's just say I'll be subsisting on >quesadillas for a while. MMmmmm.....quesadillas *drool* >But for the most part, not much G.I.Joe stuff for sale at the Con. Only a >couple dealers who, for the most part, charged too much (except for the Sky >Patrol figs and the Argentinians). Still, I spoke to a 12" dealer who >expects a big jump in 3 3/4" Joe fanaticism in the next five years. His >theory made sense - involved kids who end up graduating from school and >getting high paying jobs to spend more money on Joes. This could be possible, although 'fanaticism' would probably be an innapropriate descriptor. I think all collecting areas are on the decline. Why? Well, people are using the computer and computer games to fill in the gapp of collecting. Plus, hobbies are expensive. Unless the person is making serious money, multiple hobbies are pretty impractical. I would say that the 3 3/4" collectors will start rearing their heads closer to the 10 year mark, when they start settling down and getting houses, and are far more stable in their careers. There will definitely be an increase in collectors when the new stuff comes out, the positive to this is that there will be more older items available. On the negative, the prices could go up, and there will almost certainly be more people competing for these items. >HASBRO >The lady I spoke to on Thursday disappeared for the rest of the Con. Maybe >she knew I would talk to her again. :) Anyways, got the impression that >they're just doing the toy thing and that Griffin/Bacal will handle any >cartoon/comic book tie in stuff - since they did it that way before. Well, maybe there will be a tie in somewhere along the way. I guess we'll see. >But to re-iterate, the stuff'll hit the toy floors during Christmas. How >much will that SUCK? It will be tough to get those items around that time, between buying gifts for other people and possibly starting a new job. I'm really counting on the fact that someone on the list will buy more than they need, and I can buy from them. We'll see what happens though, when the time actually comes. I just hope the '97 Joes aren't the "Tickle Me Elmo" and "Power Rangers" and "Cabbage Patch Kids" of 1997. >I was so disappointed that they didn't have any new Joe stuff that I almost >missed the great Star Wars toys they had on display. Surprisingly, as big a fan as I am of Star Wars, my only interest in the Star Wars toys is just looking at them in the toy isle. Maybe I'm not as big a Star Wars fan as I thought. Although I _DO_ want to get that Star Wars Monopoly computer game I saw on USA Today this morning :P >Anyways, if you ever thought about coming out to Southern California, the >San Diego Comic Con is the reason to come. It's huge, it takes 4 days to >see everything, I got to see some cool never-shown-before Star Wars >footage, got to meet and speak with writer/director lesser-god-of-writing >Kevin Smith, got a stack of G.I.Joe comic books for next to nothing, a >stack of greater-god-of-writing Chris Claremont comics, and a sweet >sketchbook with a pen/ink of a monster trying to pick a bar fight with Boba >Fett. I think it would be fun to go to a giant convention, however it would be completely impossible for me to go for that purpose....would be so expensive just for me to go, I wouldn't be able to buy anytying :P --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.2 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Barracuda Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:38:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707220924.CAA12740@lists1.best.com> >>Has anybody out there ever launched/sailed their Barracuda submarine? >>How does it perform? Do the decals stay in place? Where can one get >:additional "ballast tablets" ? What is this item? I really don't remember it, so it must have come out around 1988 or after. Could someone describe it to me? thanks dan dan@bdi.com dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.3 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Opinions... Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:08:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who would pay $100 for somebody's screw-up? Is it just me? >Posted by: Gary Swanson (gswanson@pureatria.com ) >Organization:N/A >Date posted: Tue Jul 22 12:51:26 1997 >Subject: For Sale Hasbro Factory Mistake >Message: >DEF Bulletproof on Mutt and Junkyard card. Got it right off the rack at Toys r Us. $100 --Message copied from Tomart's Classifieds Web-Page.... Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.4 --------------- From: Mark & Debbie Brockman Subject: Animation Cels Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:25:16 -0400 If anyone is looking for Animation Cels you should try a guy I ran into at Joe Bodnarchuk's Dayton Ohio GI Joe show. His name is Ricky Puckett (Puckett's Toys) and he supposedly has over 100 of them. I saw a few at the show and they were awesome (but too pricey for me right now). They don't have an E-mail address yet. There number is (502) 369-6138 (Elizabethtown, KY). Later, --Mark (brockman@one.net) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.5 --------------- From: fortunex@juno.com (B L H) Subject: Elm Liquidators Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:14:08 -0500 >The Official Elm Liquidators E-mail list! > >TERMS: Due to the nature of these rare collectables, we do NOT except >returns. We except personal checks, cash or money order. We WILL NOT >except credit card's because of lack of internet(and parents) security! Except? Collectables?! Ugh, it's that awful grammar again!! These must be the same scumbags who sent that nasty letter to the mailing list op! -Fortune --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.6 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Comic Con Final Report Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 20:41:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707220530.WAA18508@lists1.best.com> <199707210134.SAA09791@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707222147.OAA08921@lists1.best.com> At 10:55 AM -0400 7/22/97, Dan C. wrote: >Hmmm....seems like now is the time to go thru those 10 for a $1.00 bins and >pick out all of those GI-Joe comics, before the new figures come out and >the comic industry decides that the comics are now valuable again. Either that, or the comic book industry experiences a boom the likes of which they saw in the late 1980s. >That would really SUCK! I hate doing being told what to do at work as it >is, but being told what to do when your job is to be creative....YUCK!! No >wonder he hated working on the series, it would grate on me after a while too. I dunno. It brings up the famous "art vs commercialism" debate. Most creative ventures in this world have to be done under SOME guidelines - when is it too much? I, for one, would relish the challenge to come up with good storylines under someone's editorial eye. Then again, I'm young and would be willing to write for free. I suppose when you're in the business a while, you don't take well to interference from above. And I think it's even more of a testament to the talents of Larry Hama and the writers of the Sunbow/Marvel cartoons - like Buzz Dixon, Flint Dille, Marv Wolfman, and Paul Dini - that they created such terrific stories under such conditions. -Eugene (I'd give credit to writer Gerry Conway, too, but I'll never forgive him for the unforgivably bad writing he did on Spiderman. ) ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.7 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Opinions... Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 20:41:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707230006.RAA03068@lists1.best.com> At 7:08 PM -0500 7/22/97, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: >Who would pay $100 for somebody's screw-up? Is it just me? Two phrases come to mind- "There's a sucker born every minute" OR "It's worth whatever anyone's willing to pay" Something like that is harder to find than the most rare G.I.Joe figure - but I sure as hell don't want it. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.8 --------------- From: hz399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. J. Karlisle) Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n229 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:57:31 -0400 (EDT) hello everybody. quick request for the 'compendium of corrections' address (any e-mail for this guy?). just receiveed my desimone's guides today and figure i may as well drop a few dollars more to make sure it's right before i start trading for parts. are there any known errors that the compendium misses? thanks, -Kj --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.9 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n229 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:07:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:57 PM 7/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >hello everybody. quick request for the 'compendium of corrections' >address (any e-mail for this guy?). just receiveed my desimone's guides >today and figure i may as well drop a few dollars more to make sure it's >right before i start trading for parts. are there any known errors that >the compendium misses? thanks, > >-Kj > > Where can you get a Desimone's all I can ever find around here is a Tomart's? Also pls send me the 'compendium of corrections'. Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.10 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: DeSimone&Compendium (was Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n229) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:26:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707230405.VAA15094@lists1.best.com> At 11:07 PM -0500 7/22/97, Cyric Hywind wrote: >At 11:57 PM 7/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >>hello everybody. quick request for the 'compendium of corrections' >>address (any e-mail for this guy?). just receiveed my desimone's guides >>today and figure i may as well drop a few dollars more to make sure it's >>right before i start trading for parts. are there any known errors that >>the compendium misses? thanks, >> >Where can you get a Desimone's all I can ever find around here is a >Tomart's? Also pls send me the 'compendium of corrections'. Two dealers that I know of that carry the DeSimone guides are: John's Collectible Toys - $11 each Orders: (800)505-8697 All Other Calls: (508) 797-0023 http://www.ewtech.com/johns/ Figures Inc. - $12 each Credit Card Orders: (800)-882-7078 All Other Calls: (401)-946-5720 figinc@aol.com http://www.ewtech.com/figures/ The Compendium of Corrections can be had for $3 U.S. to Brian Mulholland, 8211 San Angelo Drive, #L-6, Huntington Beach, CA 92647. The only mistake that I know of in the Compendium are that the Sky Patrol errors haven't been fixed. I recommend all three books highly. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.11 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: DeSimone&Compendium (was Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n229) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:11:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >The Compendium of Corrections can be had for $3 U.S. to Brian Mulholland, >8211 San Angelo Drive, #L-6, Huntington Beach, CA 92647. > >The only mistake that I know of in the Compendium are that the Sky Patrol >errors haven't been fixed. > >I recommend all three books highly. As a note: I recently order Vol I. of the DeSimone guide from John's Toys. DeSimone had apparently went to press again on this volume because the Sky Patrol errors are fixed (at least the figure names). No photographic errors were not fixed. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.12 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Major Bludd Question Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:35:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recently got a Major Bludd, and on the filecard, where the portrait is, it says "GI-Joe" on the bottom. Was it like this on all filecards? Or did some say "Cobra" or "The Enemy"? Just curious, I'm about to check Corey's site and have a look see there, but am wondering if its a descrepancy. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com (until 5 Aug 97) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.13 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: New joes collage Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:58:43 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey guys! I thought I'd clear some stuff up: As I've already posted here (about a month ago, before the pics were on-line), I saw the pictures (collage) in DeSimone's newsletter. I think it's 99.99% likely it was him who did the collage. I agree, Yuuuuuuuckkk! But, hey, I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. It was the first pics to surface, and they were in color (which is rare in DeSimone's newsletter). That aside, I think (because I have not seen the pics on-line) that the hard copy I was sent is much better quality and resolution than what's on that website now, because the figures are extremely easy to tell. Yes, the one in the lower right is Snake Eyes 1, the one on the top left is Blizzard, there is no Barbeque or firefly in the pictures, and the pilot of the A-10 is ACE, the second version painted OD green, I think. Like I posted long ago, I didn't like the colors they used in Duke, Storm Shadow and Lady J look sort of wierd, and The Baroness is Defenitely the best figure of the pack. That's all for now, Yo JOE!!!! KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you I am looking for the following Gi Joe (Marvel Comic) back issues: 86-96-106-108 Special Missions: 23 Also looking for Justice League of America #1 (ongoing monthly) If you have any of these and would like to sell/trade it, please e-mail me at: rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n230.14 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Major Bludd Question Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:53:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine Too? -----Original Message----- From: Dan C. [SMTP:dan@bdi.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 11:35 AM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Major Bludd Question I recently got a Major Bludd, and on the filecard, where the portrait is, it says "GI-Joe" on the bottom. Was it like this on all filecards? Or did some say "Cobra" or "The Enemy"? Just curious, I'm about to check Corey's site and have a look see there, but am wondering if its a descrepancy. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com (until 5 Aug 97) --------------- END gijoe.v001.n230 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n231 -------------- 001 - Dwayne Marshall - Re: Arise, Serpentor, Arise and Drool!!! 008 - Adam Bernay - Re: Arise, Serpentor, Arise and Drool!!! 010 - ACJ1717@aol.com - Night Raven 011 - Adam Bernay - Prototype stuff 013 - "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: RE: Major Bludd Question Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:21:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:53 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Mine Too? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan C. [SMTP:dan@bdi.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 11:35 AM >To: gijoe@lists.best.com >Subject: Major Bludd Question > > >I recently got a Major Bludd, and on the filecard, where the portrait is, >it says "GI-Joe" on the bottom. Was it like this on all filecards? Or did >some say "Cobra" or "The Enemy"? Just curious, I'm about to check Corey's >site and have a look see there, but am wondering if its a descrepancy. > >dan >dcarber@tiac.net >dan@bdi.com (until 5 Aug 97) > > > As far as I know Major Bludd's file card always had Gi Joe on it,unlike Destro's which was finally changed to COBRA. Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.2 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: RE: Major Bludd Question Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:49:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:53 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote: Mine also has the GI Joe logo at the bottom. There were two different Major Bludd filecards though. Eugene pointed this out a few months ago. Once has the "Woozy.. Uzi.." poetry, a later one had something else that was a bit more tame. P.S. If anyone has the non-"Woozy... Uzi.." one I'd like to have a scan of it for the Filecard Gallery on the Newsletter HQ. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.3 --------------- From: Eddie Beiles Subject: hello everyone Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:22:07 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707232250.PAA06025@lists1.best.com> Just joined the list the other day, and I thought I would say hi and introduce myself. I'm 22, received my first GI Joe toys for Christmas in 1982 (VAMP, RAM and Grunt...both figures had straight arms). Also got the Cobra soilder and Scarlett early the next year...both with straight arms. Then I stopped collecting, but I started up again in Aug of 84, when I got Duke, the Skyhawk and the Snowmobile. I pretty much got everything from the second wave through the 5th or 6th (the first set of grey cards). But I did pick up figures here and there for the next few years...such as Jinx, the SAW Viper, General Flagg, Red Star, and Big Bear. I als have a near complete set of the comics and, I went to Blockbuster the other day, and was able to rent the first miniseries...the MASS Device. Anyway...hello everyone... Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.4 --------------- From: Eddie Beiles Subject: RE: Major Bludd Question Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:38:31 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707232250.PAA06025@lists1.best.com> > > P.S. If anyone has the non-"Woozy... Uzi.." one I'd like to have a scan > of it for the Filecard Gallery on the Newsletter HQ. I do...but I don't have a scanner or access to one. It looks exactly like the other one, but the poem is Major Bludd writes poetry...badly: A mercenary's job is a heartless one/I'm a soldier for hire, like a pawn-shop gun/My ruthless tactics keep you on your toes/'Cause I fight 'em all, whether friends or foes! (from The Attica Gazette). I kept the returns at the same places as the card. Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.5 --------------- From: Mike Nonsense Subject: Re: '97 Joes on web!!!!!!!1 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 06:34:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707221534.IAA27868@lists1.best.com> My Opinion Cobra Cmdr.-- Wow!!!! This looks pretty good. The slight retouch of blue tint made him look a bit more "Cobra".... Plus the awesome coppery bands on areas of him look a bit better than the black. Even better, the stylish scarf!!! Blizzard-Person- Hm... Looks arctic. =) Pilot- Looks A bit Desert Storm-ish. Does it not??? FlashEsque char- Hm. Not shabby.. Beats Duke! Lady Jaye- WTF??? Nice!!!! NICE NICE NICE!!!!! Black black black!!! Baroness- Most improved... They seemed to use the Viper/Crimsons Xamot/Tomax scheme.... And it looks AWESOME.. All they need are the green tinting. Duke- YUCK, YUCK, YUCK! UGLY!!!!!!! BAAAD clothing! :P Snakes 85- Ooooh. Very "Action Force". Love it! And why did Desdimone make poor timber look like a baby bulldog?? Scarlett- Darker. Better..... =) Storm Shadow- WOWOWOWOW!!!!!!!!! Very good.. Grey highlights look good ... Like the spotty camo.. And then the etched out Cobra Logo!!!!! Torpedo- Whoa... This is by far the weirdest looking one of all... It looks like it was done in blue Vis-A-Vis Is he Oily Edition?? Snakes 82- Nice one, too. =) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.6 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Arise, Serpentor, Arise and Drool!!! Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:01:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707240738.AAA18194@lists1.best.com> Hello! Recently saw "Arise, Serpentor, Arise!" again, and I wanted to make a few comments on it. First off, after the recent sheep cloning, the plot seems a little more possible. We may yet see a day when the Serpentor Project could actually happen. (Not that we'd *WANT* it to happen, though...) Secondly, I have to say that their initial choices for DNA (Sun Tzu, Alexander, etc) were great, but Mindbender screwed up later. Sun Tzu was the greatest strategist of his time. I ask you, if you're going to choose a G.I. Joe to take DNA from to replace Sun Tzu, wouldn't you pick Hawk, a General Officer with experience in strategy and tactics, over Sgt. Slaughter, a glorified Drill Instructor with delusions of grandeur? Good choice, Fender-Bender...NOT! Next, now that you've chosen Sarge, you've got him in your clutches. Your android troopers are about to give him a quick death. What do you do? You order them to stop! I even quote, "We don't want the sergeant slaughtered...at least not yet!" From this, we can assume Fender-Bender needs him alive to take his DNA. Now, wait a minute. You just spent *HOW MUCH* time, effort, and money raiding the tombs of *DEAD* people for *THEIR* DNA...why do you need Sgt. Slaughter alive? It would seem to me that, under the circumstances, you'd *WANT* to kill him. Heck, as soon as I had my DNA-Donor-of-Choice in my clutches, I'd kill him with dispatch to make sure he couldn't cause me problems later, then take his DNA at my leisure! Finally, when the first attempt to make Serpentor happened, remember what Fender-Bender said? "Arise, perfect being, arise and rule", right? Well, considering the guy's accent, and what came off the table, are you sure he didn't say, "arise and drool"? Just some thoughts... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.7 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Arise, Serpentor, Arise and Drool!!! Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:37:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707240738.AAA18194@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707241501.IAA00661@lists1.best.com> >I ask you, if you're going to choose >a G.I. Joe to take DNA from to replace Sun Tzu, wouldn't you pick Hawk, a >General Officer with experience in strategy and tactics, over Sgt. >Slaughter, a glorified Drill Instructor with delusions of grandeur? Good >choice, Fender-Bender...NOT! You have to remember, they were going after Sgt Slaughter for his STRENGTH, not his mental capabilities (or extreme lack thereof). I guess we're supposed to assume the Sarge was the strongest man in the Joe Universe (maybe that was part of his contract with hasbro) >You order them to stop! I even quote, "We don't want the sergeant >slaughtered...at least not yet!" From this, we can assume >Fender-Bender needs him alive to take his DNA. Now, wait a minute. You >just spent *HOW MUCH* time, effort, and money raiding the tombs of *DEAD* >people for *THEIR* DNA...why do you need Sgt. Slaughter alive? It would >seem to me that, under the circumstances, you'd *WANT* to kill him. I agree, but this is a kids cartoon, and killing someone is a big no-no. Besides, Sarge was a popular action figure, if they killed him off, we may never have seen the Triple-T tank. Besides, If I were leader of Cobra, I woulda stole an A-Bomb and dropped it on the Joe HQ in the first episode. >Finally, when the first attempt to make Serpentor happened, remember what >Fender-Bender said? "Arise, perfect being, arise and rule", right? >Well, considering the guy's accent, and what came off the table, are you >sure he didn't say, "arise and drool"? Ahh, but he DID drool...he thought of all the power that would be his, and slobber slobber. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.8 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Arise, Serpentor, Arise and Drool!!! Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707241531.IAA08381@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Dan C. wrote: > >I ask you, if you're going to choose > >a G.I. Joe to take DNA from to replace Sun Tzu, wouldn't you pick Hawk, a > >General Officer with experience in strategy and tactics, over Sgt. > >Slaughter, a glorified Drill Instructor with delusions of grandeur? Good > >choice, Fender-Bender...NOT! > > You have to remember, they were going after Sgt Slaughter for his STRENGTH, > not his mental capabilities (or extreme lack thereof). I guess we're > supposed to assume the Sarge was the strongest man in the Joe Universe > (maybe that was part of his contract with hasbro) That makes *NO* sense. Sun Tzu was not really a physically strong man. He was a great strategist, but was an average man physically. So, there's not need for the strategy if the Emperor is physically strong? What message does this send? > >You order them to stop! I even quote, "We don't want the sergeant > >slaughtered...at least not yet!" From this, we can assume > >Fender-Bender needs him alive to take his DNA. Now, wait a minute. You > >just spent *HOW MUCH* time, effort, and money raiding the tombs of *DEAD* > >people for *THEIR* DNA...why do you need Sgt. Slaughter alive? It would > >seem to me that, under the circumstances, you'd *WANT* to kill him. > > I agree, but this is a kids cartoon, and killing someone is a big no-no. This is the problem I have with the attitude of most animated series. You target them first at a very small audience instead of a general audience. Then you compound that stupidity by treating kids like imbeciles. Look at the animated series EXO-Squad (created, BTW, by Will Meugniot, who worked on the Joe series). They had characters die. It was a real war. And kids learned a lot, instead of just having a slugfest. And it attracted adults as well. Makes *SENSE* to me... > Besides, Sarge was a popular action figure, if they killed him off, we may > never have seen the Triple-T tank. Actually, we saw it from the very beginning, both when he showed up to save the day from the Cobra attack, and when he showed up to whup the Joes into shape. > Besides, If I were leader of Cobra, I woulda stole an A-Bomb and > dropped it on the Joe HQ in the first episode. Not from the U.S., you wouldn't. Them things are guarded by *MARINES* who have orders to safeguard the nukes first and worry about their survival second. There is nothing more dangerous to the enemy than a Marine with orders like that. > >Finally, when the first attempt to make Serpentor happened, remember what > >Fender-Bender said? "Arise, perfect being, arise and rule", right? > >Well, considering the guy's accent, and what came off the table, are you > >sure he didn't say, "arise and drool"? > > Ahh, but he DID drool... That was my point... > he thought of all the power that would be his, and slobber slobber. I don't think the big orange mutated creature was actually capable of thought... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.9 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Arise, Serpentor, Arise and Drool!!! Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:14:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707241531.IAA08381@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707241630.JAA26066@lists1.best.com> >That makes *NO* sense. Sun Tzu was not really a physically strong man. >He was a great strategist, but was an average man physically. So, there's >not need for the strategy if the Emperor is physically strong? What >message does this send? Thats not what I said at all. I what I said was that they went after Sarge for his strength, as in physical strength. They were trying to create the perfect leader, one who was smart, ruthless, cunning, a brilliant strategist, and physically strong. They didn't use DNA from just 1 person did they? No...they took DNA from the best warriors in history and COMBINED them because they wanted the perfect man, and since they had the intelect, they went after the brute strength. Think about it...you are the lowest person in a terrorist organization, and although your leader is a genius, you can bully him around into taking YOUR orders because he's so weak. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Terrorist or "Bully" organizations thrive on fear. If a leader shows any flaws whatsoever, they lose respect. Thats why many madmen lead these organizations, because they actually are nuts and don't fear anyone, let alone thier subordinates. >This is the problem I have with the attitude of most animated series. You >target them first at a very small audience instead of a general audience. >Then you compound that stupidity by treating kids like imbeciles. >Look at the animated series EXO-Squad (created, BTW, by Will Meugniot, who >worked on the Joe series). They had characters die. It was a real war. >And kids learned a lot, instead of just having a slugfest. And it >attracted adults as well. Makes *SENSE* to me... You're missing a HUGE piece of information here.....Hasbro brought back Joes, which are more or less war toys. Any toy based on anything to do with the military is immediately subject to criticism. Hasbro wanted to keep the cartoon and toys running side by side, and the less flak they got from parents and child organizations the better. If they had characters dying all over the place in the cartoon, parents groups would have noticed and the pressure hasbro/marvel/sunbow would have received would have forced them to take it off the airways. Also, keep in mind that viewing standards have changed DRASTICALLY in the past 12 years, and it is a heated debate whether or not the more often a child sees violence on TV corresponds to the growing increase in violence committed by children. >> Besides, Sarge was a popular action figure, if they killed him off, we may >> never have seen the Triple-T tank. >Actually, we saw it from the very beginning, both when he showed up to >save the day from the Cobra attack, and when he showed up to whup the Joes >into shape. Ok...so we would have never seen Sgt Slaughter version 3. >> Besides, If I were leader of Cobra, I woulda stole an A-Bomb and >> dropped it on the Joe HQ in the first episode. >Not from the U.S., you wouldn't. Them things are guarded by *MARINES* who >have orders to safeguard the nukes first and worry about their survival >second. There is nothing more dangerous to the enemy than a Marine with >orders like that. Yeah, I guess the worlds most vicous and deadly assasins, hired by a fanatical organization with more money and more loonies then the US government wouldn't be able to pull something like that off. (end of sarcastic statment) And I don't care how well trained a Marine is, he's not much when he's outnumbered 30 to 1. (no offense to any marines on the list) dan dan@bdi.com dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.10 --------------- From: ACJ1717@aol.com Subject: Night Raven Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:59:29 -0400 (EDT) i was wondering if some one could tell me what the diff. between the 2 Night ravens are? They had a slot variation involving the landing gear or something to that effect, but what is that? Thanks ACJ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.11 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Arise, Serpentor, Arise and Drool!!! Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:07:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707241808.LAA08694@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Dan C. wrote: > >That makes *NO* sense. Sun Tzu was not really a physically strong man. > >He was a great strategist, but was an average man physically. So, there's > >not need for the strategy if the Emperor is physically strong? What > >message does this send? > > Thats not what I said at all. I what I said was that they went after Sarge > for his strength, as in physical strength. They were trying to create the > perfect leader, one who was smart, ruthless, cunning, a brilliant > strategist, and physically strong. They didn't use DNA from just 1 person > did they? I understand that that's not what *YOU* were saying. But the dialogue stated that it was *TO REPLACE* Sun Tzu's DNA. You would not be using Sun Tzu's DNA for physical strength. They must have planned someone else's DNA for physical strength. Therefore, using Slaughter's DNA to *REPLACE* that of *SUN TZU* makes *ZERO* sense. Of course, this is probably good for the Joe Team - Serpentor now has Slaughter's impetuousness and tendency to use direct physical attacks instead of the better, more subtle leadership style of Sun Tzu...therefore, easier to defeat. But I still call into question that idea that Dr. Mindbender, a man with the intelligence to come up with this scheme and with the knowledge of what he was getting from each DNA "donor" would reasonably consider Sgt Slaughter to be a decent replacement for Sun Tzu. > >This is the problem I have with the attitude of most animated series. You > >target them first at a very small audience instead of a general audience. > >Then you compound that stupidity by treating kids like imbeciles. > >Look at the animated series EXO-Squad (created, BTW, by Will Meugniot, who > >worked on the Joe series). They had characters die. It was a real war. > >And kids learned a lot, instead of just having a slugfest. And it > >attracted adults as well. Makes *SENSE* to me... > > You're missing a HUGE piece of information here.....Hasbro brought back > Joes, which are more or less war toys. Any toy based on anything to do > with the military is immediately subject to criticism. Only by anti-military nuts who think the U.S. is nothing but imperialist swine. > Hasbro wanted to keep the cartoon and toys running side by side, and > the less flak they got from parents and child organizations the better. > If they had characters dying all over the place in the cartoon, parents > groups would have noticed and the pressure hasbro/marvel/sunbow would > have received would have forced them to take it off the airways. Who said anything about "dying all over the place"? Not me. I'm saying be realistic about it. People do die in a war. Show it ocassionally. The problem with the type of violence that was shown on the Joe series, the kind where no one gets hurt, is that it gives kids a wrong image of violence - that it's okay, because no one gets hurt. The pressure from the parental groups who didn't get this was all over GI Joe: I mean, who ever heard of ejecting from a *HELICOPTER*?!? > Also, keep in mind that viewing standards have changed DRASTICALLY in > the past 12 years, and it is a heated debate whether or not the more > often a child sees violence on TV corresponds to the growing increase > in violence committed by children. What amuses me is that people count up violent minutes and point to rising violence in kids and believe there's a connection. What the connection is is to unrealistic violence, where no one gets hurt. That registers in a child's subconscious, and gives them the impression that violence is a game. It is only about being honest about violence that kids will get the idea. > >> Besides, Sarge was a popular action figure, if they killed him off, we may > >> never have seen the Triple-T tank. > > >Actually, we saw it from the very beginning, both when he showed up to > >save the day from the Cobra attack, and when he showed up to whup the Joes > >into shape. > > Ok...so we would have never seen Sgt Slaughter version 3. Let me just straighten this out: I *NEVER* meant to say that I thought the Sarge should've been killed. I didn't like the character, but I didn't mean that. I meant that the actions of Mindbender just didn't make sense. > >> Besides, If I were leader of Cobra, I woulda stole an A-Bomb and > >> dropped it on the Joe HQ in the first episode. > > >Not from the U.S., you wouldn't. Them things are guarded by *MARINES* who > >have orders to safeguard the nukes first and worry about their survival > >second. There is nothing more dangerous to the enemy than a Marine with > >orders like that. > > Yeah, I guess the worlds most vicous and deadly assasins, hired by a > fanatical organization with more money and more loonies then the US > government wouldn't be able to pull something like that off. (end of > sarcastic statment) You call these people assasins?!?...like the low-IQed Dreadnoks, or Storm Shadow, a man who is too honorable to be a good assasin? BTW, who the heck was bankrolling Cobra, anyway? Outside of a few Arab oil magnates, I can think of only two people back then with that much money: Donald Trump and H. Ross Perot... > And I don't care how well trained a Marine is, he's not much when he's > outnumbered 30 to 1. (no offense to any marines on the list) You don't know much about Marines, then...most of their fights are when they're vastly outnumbered! Adam Bernay --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.12 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Prototype stuff Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:24:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a question, on Eugene's awesome site, there are pics of protoype toys that are taken from the 30th anniversary card set....are there more of these protoypes other than what he has listed? I'm really curious to see them all. LOVE those hammers. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n231.13 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Prototype stuff Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:59:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:24 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I have a question, on Eugene's awesome site, there are pics of protoype >toys that are taken from the 30th anniversary card set....are there more of >these protoypes other than what he has listed? I'm really curious to see >them all. LOVE those hammers. There are undoubtedly more, but that is all that was shown in the 30th Anniv. Salute trading card set. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- END gijoe.v001.n231 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n232 -------------- 001 - ForceFull1@aol.com - new Joe packaging in Toy Shop 002 - hz399@cleveland.Freenet.E - serpentor / slaughter 003 - hz399@cleveland.Freenet.E - chuckles holster? 004 - Dwayne Marshall - Re: chuckles holster? 011 - "Dan C." - Re: chuckles holster? 012 - Ian & Melanie - Re: GIJoe animation ep guide 016 - Adam Bernay - Re: play time 020 - "Dan C." - Re: GI JOE miniseries 021 - "Julian Wolfe" - Re: GI JOE miniseries 023 - Black Shadow Subject: Re: chuckles holster? Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:32:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:59 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >using my minty new desimone's guides has been enlightening and >somewhat annoying... i didn't realize the number of weapons repaints >in the later years. i happen to have a _black_ chuckles holster which >doesn't have a home. my carded one has a brown holster. was this black >one from another figure (i didn't see it in the guide, though i need to >make another pass)... or perhaps was it from a battle gear set? > >-Kj > > Maybe the holster came from another figure line. There wasn't one in the joe line . Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.5 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Cartoons Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:13:15 EDT I just saw something I never thought I'd see. I just dubbed Cobra's Creatures, and to my surprise, Scarlette kicks a Cobra troop, and you see BLOOD! Except for the cheesey Duke scene in the movie, it's the only time you actually see someone bleed, to my knowledge. And if anyone wants the episodes Cobra's Creatures, Red Rockets Glare, or The Funhouse, send me a message and we can work out a way for a copy. The rental store in town has all and I can rent and dub them for anyone who can send me a tape, and the cost of rental. Joe Code Name: Overdrive ps. What's going on with this GI Joe team that was started by a few members of this list? I'm working on my filecard now. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.6 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: serpentor / slaughter Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:16:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707250256.TAA04710@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, K. J. Karlisle wrote: > a big deal is being made about using slaughter's DNA to replace > sun tzo's, in saying that you're replacing strategy with strength. > i don't believe when he says 'replace' he means in that sense. rather, > i think the process was designed to use X-amount of DNA and they needed > one more to make the process go. That makes no sense...the Sarge destroyed the container with his DNA in it before it was used in the making of the final Serpentor. If this was correct, then the experiment would not have worked. > slaughter happened to be handy, if you needed more DNA to work, may as > well add some strength, as you don't have strategy handy -- and they > weren't about to plan to capture some strategic DNA, they wanted to do > it ASAP. That's not how it happened though. After the debacle at Sun Tzu's burial mound, Mindbender came back to Cobra's flying fortress and came up with the idea to capture Sgt Slaughter when they went for the final bit of DNA...I can't remember who it was. They could just have easily captured Hawk at that point. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.7 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: chuckles holster? Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:17:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707250300.UAA06116@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, K. J. Karlisle wrote: > using my minty new desimone's guides has been enlightening and > somewhat annoying... i didn't realize the number of weapons repaints > in the later years. i happen to have a _black_ chuckles holster which > doesn't have a home. my carded one has a brown holster. was this black > one from another figure (i didn't see it in the guide, though i need to > make another pass)... or perhaps was it from a battle gear set? BTW, was I the only one who thought the Chuckles holster was pretty poorly made as a toy version of a standard shoulder holster? Adam Bernay --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.8 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: URL for the filecard libary Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:41:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I a recent post to this list there was something mentioned about a filecard libary on the web. If anyone knows this URL please post it. Also on a different not my file card is in the making. Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.9 --------------- From: Eddie Beiles Subject: GI JOE miniseries Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 06:36:31 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707241134.EAA01125@lists1.best.com> I was trying to remember what the various GI JOE miniseries were on tv. I can remember the MASS Device, the Dark Pyrimad, The Making of Serpentor, and the movie, if you want to count that one. Was there any others? Oh, and by miniseries, I mean those week-long "episodes" Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.10 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: chuckles holster? Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:05:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707250300.UAA06116@lists1.best.com> At 10:59 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >using my minty new desimone's guides has been enlightening and >somewhat annoying... i didn't realize the number of weapons repaints >in the later years. i happen to have a _black_ chuckles holster which >doesn't have a home. my carded one has a brown holster. was this black >one from another figure (i didn't see it in the guide, though i need to >make another pass)... or perhaps was it from a battle gear set? Maybe some kid took a black magic marker to it and painted it black. I have a Stinger driver and some kid decided to paint the little triangle on the helmet black. Looks cool, but isn't quite 'original'. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.11 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: chuckles holster? Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:11:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707250300.UAA06116@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707250417.VAA13318@lists1.best.com> >BTW, was I the only one who thought the Chuckles holster was pretty poorly >made as a toy version of a standard shoulder holster? I don't think it was originally intended as a shoulder holslter, and if it was it was the worst. It fit pretty well around his waist though, although it broke very easily. I always thought they could have added a little peg or something on the waist to clip guns onto (worked great for Barbeque) I also thought that Hawk v2 would have been PERFECT to have a holster....his 9mm was so cool!! dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.12 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: serpentor / slaughter Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:09:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just read the comic book version. In that, they use Storm Shadow's DNA. = And besides, Larry Hama is the only one that could make the story = believable. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Bernay [SMTP:abernay@psnw.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 12:17 AM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Re: serpentor / slaughter On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, K. J. Karlisle wrote: > a big deal is being made about using slaughter's DNA to replace > sun tzo's, in saying that you're replacing strategy with strength. > i don't believe when he says 'replace' he means in that sense. = rather, > i think the process was designed to use X-amount of DNA and they = needed > one more to make the process go. That makes no sense...the Sarge destroyed the container with his DNA in = it before it was used in the making of the final Serpentor. If this was correct, then the experiment would not have worked. > slaughter happened to be handy, if you needed more DNA to work, may as > well add some strength, as you don't have strategy handy -- and they > weren't about to plan to capture some strategic DNA, they wanted to do > it ASAP. That's not how it happened though. After the debacle at Sun Tzu's = burial mound, Mindbender came back to Cobra's flying fortress and came up with the idea to capture Sgt Slaughter when they went for the final bit of DNA...I can't remember who it was. They could just have easily captured Hawk at that point. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.13 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: URL for the filecard libary Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:24:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:41 AM 7/25/97 -0500, you wrote: >I a recent post to this list there was something mentioned about a filecard >libary on the web. If anyone knows this URL please post it. > >Also on a different not my file card is in the making. The Filecard Gallery is at the GI Joe 3 3/4" Newsletter H.Q. Check it out at http://webusers.anet-stl.com/~stinson/joehq -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.14 --------------- From: elvis@energy.it Subject: GIJoe animation ep guide Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:26:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi guys! I am asking you all a great favour: does anybody have the episode guide of the Joes animated series and would be so nice to post it to me? It would be very very helpful to me since I am taping the eps which are aired now on our Italian tv, and I have the suspicion they are skipping some... Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks! Simona, the It Baroness --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.15 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: GIJoe animation ep guide Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:58:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707251425.HAA17911@lists1.best.com> >I am asking you all a great favour: does anybody have the episode guide of >the Joes animated series and would be so nice to post it to me? I would also like a copy of this, as I am expecting a collection of cartoon episodes from someone on the digest. I'm planning on doing my share (and diverting some of my 'obsession') into a cartoon summary on my web site. This would be a very helpful thing for me to do if I knew the name and episode number of the cartoons so I could put them in order. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.16 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: GI JOE miniseries Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:42:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707251036.DAA23682@lists1.best.com> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Eddie Beiles wrote: > I was trying to remember what the various GI JOE miniseries were on tv. I > can remember the MASS Device, the Dark Pyrimad, The Making of Serpentor, > and the movie, if you want to count that one. First off, GI Joe: The Movie, AFAIK, never made it onto TV. Secondly, you forgot the Weather Dominator mini-series, the name of which was "The Revenge of Cobra". Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.17 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: chuckles holster? Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:50:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707251305.GAA16320@lists1.best.com> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Dan C. wrote: > >BTW, was I the only one who thought the Chuckles holster was pretty poorly > >made as a toy version of a standard shoulder holster? > > I don't think it was originally intended as a shoulder holslter, and if it > was it was the worst. Well, compare the picture with the figure: the picture clearly has a shoulder holster, and the figure, minus accessories, does not. THe picture doesn't have a waist holster either... > It fit pretty well around his waist though, although > it broke very easily. I always thought they could have added a little peg > or something on the waist to clip guns onto (worked great for Barbeque) Yeah...my last figure (Metal-Head, I think it was) had pegs on his legs that I used for quite some time to hang guns on...BTW, am I the only one who used his Joes as other than Joes? I mean, I would pretend they were from other series (STAR TREK The Next Generation, especially), or sometimes I would just make up new characters with the old ones "playing" them. Adam Bernay --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.18 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: GIJoe animation ep guide Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:53:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707251452.HAA27818@lists1.best.com> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Dan C. wrote: > >I am asking you all a great favour: does anybody have the episode guide of > >the Joes animated series and would be so nice to post it to me? > > I would also like a copy of this, as I am expecting a collection of cartoon > episodes from someone on the digest. I'm planning on doing my share (and > diverting some of my 'obsession') into a cartoon summary on my web site. > This would be a very helpful thing for me to do if I knew the name and > episode number of the cartoons so I could put them in order. Yeah, maybe it should be posted on the List...the ones I'm getting have the eps highly out of order. BTW, to my generous benefactor...that check's in the mail on the First, sorry to take so long! Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.19 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: play time Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:40:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707251305.GAA16320@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707251550.IAA22454@lists1.best.com> >Yeah...my last figure (Metal-Head, I think it was) had pegs on his legs >that I used for quite some time to hang guns on...BTW, am I the only one >who used his Joes as other than Joes? I mean, I would pretend they were >from other series (STAR TREK The Next Generation, especially), or >sometimes I would just make up new characters with the old ones "playing" >them. I originally used my Joes as people in Star Wars, until I started amassing more Joes..then Star Wars got packed away. I did, however, use my Joes as soldiers who were on 'leave' and would go to a little casino that I built for them. Used Fisher Price people to be 'normal' people, or those working the casino's. (hey...living 15 miles from Atlantic City had SOME influence) I was always diapointed that there wasn't more "Cobra" figures though, because my mom would never buy more than 1 because "You already have that one, I'm not gonna buy a lot of the same toy" sad to say, same thing happened with Stormtroopers. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.20 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: GI JOE miniseries Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:48:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707251036.DAA23682@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707251542.IAA18094@lists1.best.com> >First off, GI Joe: The Movie, AFAIK, never made it onto TV. Actually, it did. It never made it to the Theaters because the Transformers movie did so awful. It originally was broken up into a 5 part miniseries, then released on video (or released on video first) but in either case, it was the end of the Sunbow cartoons, and definitely was shown on tv as a 5 part miniseries. In my areas was the "last hurrah", removing the run entirely from daytime tv. *until those awful DIC episodes that is* dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.21 --------------- From: "Julian Wolfe" Subject: Carded guys for sale - Right Here Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:04:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got a few rares and some commons for sale here, lmk if you want to purchase anything Everything here is MIB/MOC Battle Corps Techno Viper with mech thing - bid on this. Starts at $30. Send bids to thundercracker@iwc.net MIB Razor Blade $20 MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #1 $25 MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #2 $25 MOC Street Fighter Vega $12 MOC Hall Of Fame Destro(Box opened to see face and glued shut) $25 MOC Hall Of Fame Cobra Commander $40 MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #1 $30 MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #2 $30 MOC Cobra Commander(Final version - black) $20 --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.22 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: GI JOE miniseries Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:17:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707251036.DAA23682@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707251542.IAA18094@lists1.best.com> >> I was trying to remember what the various GI JOE miniseries were on tv. I >> can remember the MASS Device, the Dark Pyrimad, The Making of Serpentor, >> and the movie, if you want to count that one. The MASS Device (1983) Revenge of Cobra (1984) Pyramid of Darkness (1985) Arise Serpentor Arise (1986) G.I.Joe The Movie (1987) And DIC's only mini-series Operation Dragonfire (1989) >First off, GI Joe: The Movie, AFAIK, never made it onto TV. Actually, G.I.Joe the Movie was released straight to video, then in 1988 shown on television. Later on, it was split into five parts and shown as a mini-series. -Eugene ------------------------------------------------------------ | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 3 3/4" G.I.Joe Archive | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers | | you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.23 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: Who is Tung Nguyen Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:24:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've recently stumbled across a website with some custom Star Wars figs. A few of the figs on the site were done by a Tung Nguyen. This name looked[sounded] familar to me like I've delt with him/her before. It's eating at my brain. I just hafta know where I've sean this name before. If anybody can help me please do. Ya I know its kina off topic. Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.24 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:32:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope we're not going to start getting tons of advertisements here. I'm on another e-mail group like this for another figurine I collect, and it's just gotten ridiculious over there. I don't want this group to turn into something like that. I would hope that we can keep this group mostly discussion. Perhaps, if you have stuff for sale, POST ONCE that you have stuff, or your URL if you have one; and let people e-mail you if interested. Otherwise, before we know it, everyone and their brother is going to be wasting our time w/ their half-a-dozen posts a week, with little or no changes. Especially this last e-mail we got: only one figure was even 3 3/4 G.I.Joe!! (And at a RIDICULIOUS PRICE!!) How annoying!!!!!!!!!! AND PLEASE!!!! NO AUCTIONS!!!! These are perhaps the most annoying posts in the world on an e-mail group. Anyone agree/disagree? Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Julian Wolfe > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Carded guys for sale - Right Here > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 12:04 PM > > I got a few rares and some commons for sale here, lmk if you want to > purchase anything > > Everything here is MIB/MOC > > Battle Corps Techno Viper with mech thing - bid on this. Starts at $30. > Send bids to thundercracker@iwc.net > > MIB Razor Blade $20 > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #1 $25 > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #2 $25 > MOC Street Fighter Vega $12 > MOC Hall Of Fame Destro(Box opened to see face and glued shut) $25 > MOC Hall Of Fame Cobra Commander $40 > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #1 $30 > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #2 $30 > MOC Cobra Commander(Final version - black) $20 --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.25 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: GI JOE miniseries Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:30:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707251036.DAA23682@lists1.best.com> <199707251718.KAA07249@lists1.best.com> > Actually, G.I.Joe the Movie was released straight to video, then in 1988 > shown on television. > > Later on, it was split into five parts and shown as a mini-series. I remember during the mini-series (or maybe it was the Serpentor one), when they came back or went to commerical, Sgt. Slaughter would stay stuff like "Looks like we got those snakes on the run. Hang on and we'll see if we can't stomp 'em." or something to that effect. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Also, were any parts edited or taken out of the movie so that it could be shown (for content or time constraints) on TV? adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.26 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:46:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707251729.KAA11892@lists1.best.com> Can we say, hypochondriac? :) > I hope we're not going to start getting tons of advertisements here. I'm > on another e-mail group like this for another figurine I collect, and it's > just gotten ridiculious over there. I don't want this group to turn into > something like that. I would hope that we can keep this group mostly > discussion. > I think advertsiments are occasionally okay. It gets out of hand when 3 e-mails a day from one person are the same advetisment. > Perhaps, if you have stuff for sale, POST ONCE that you have stuff, or your > URL if you have one; and let people e-mail you if interested. Otherwise, > before we know it, everyone and their brother is going to be wasting our > time w/ their half-a-dozen posts a week, with little or no changes. I think you're getting a bit worked up about nothing. It's only one post and I don't think we have to worry about ELM 'Liquidators' anymore. > Especially this last e-mail we got: only one figure was even 3 3/4 > G.I.Joe!! (And at a RIDICULIOUS PRICE!!) How annoying!!!!!!!!!! > If you'll look, the seller has 6 3 3/4" G.I. Joes and price matters not. In America, it's free enterprise. You wanna charge $8.00 for a gallon of milk, fine. You want to charge $4.00 for a 1997 Chevy Camaro, fine. > > Battle Corps Techno Viper with mech thing - bid on this. Starts at $30. > > Send bids to thundercracker@iwc.net > > > > MIB Razor Blade $20 > > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #1 $25 > > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #2 $25 > > MOC Street Fighter Vega $12 > > MOC Hall Of Fame Destro(Box opened to see face and glued shut) $25 > > MOC Hall Of Fame Cobra Commander $40 > > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #1 $30 > > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #2 $30 > > MOC Cobra Commander(Final version - black) $20 > AND PLEASE!!!! NO AUCTIONS!!!! These are perhaps the most annoying > posts in the world on an e-mail group. > As long as it's not a public auction a la newsgroups. Just a post announcing it, a post during the middle of it for those who missed out, and a post the day before it's over for those who still missed out. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.27 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:04:12 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I AGREE 105 % !!!! stuff for sale belongs on the Joe HQ ' classified' section, or similar - not on the DISCUSSION listserve, AL --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.28 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: GIJoe animation ep guide Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:10:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:26 PM 7/25/97 GMT, you wrote: >Hi guys! > >I am asking you all a great favour: does anybody have the episode guide of >the Joes animated series and would be so nice to post it to me? > >It would be very very helpful to me since I am taping the eps which are >aired now on our Italian tv, and I have the suspicion they are skipping some... Thomas Wheeler has a printed guide doesn't he? I think you can get it for a couple of bucks. Contact him at . -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.29 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:21:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think advertsiments are occasionally okay. It gets out of hand > when 3 e-mails a day from one person are the same advetisment. It gets out-of-hand when it's 3 e-mails a WEEK w/ the same advertisement. > I think you're getting a bit worked up about nothing. It's only > one post and I don't think we have to worry about ELM 'Liquidators' > anymore. TODAY, it's only one post. What about tomorrow, next week, etc. I just want to nip this thing in the bud before it gets out of hand, and all we see are advertisements. (I've seen it happen...and eventually, everyone who actually contributed to the group gets out.) > > Especially this last e-mail we got: only one figure was even 3 3/4 > > G.I.Joe!! (And at a RIDICULIOUS PRICE!!) How annoying!!!!!!!!!! > > > > If you'll look, the seller has 6 3 3/4" G.I. Joes and price > matters not. In America, it's free enterprise. You wanna charge $8.00 > for a gallon of milk, fine. You want to charge $4.00 for a 1997 Chevy > Camaro, fine. Yada, yada, yada. Yes, you can charge what you want. But I don't want to constantly be bombarded by someone who's just looking for a quick $. I'd rather take part in conversation on this group. Also, If you look, I believe there are THREE (my exageration before, I'll meet you in the middle) 3 3/4 figures for sale. (headhunter, vega, cobra commander....) > > > MIB Razor Blade $20 > > > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #1 $25 > > > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #2 $25 > > > MOC Street Fighter Vega $12 > > > MOC Hall Of Fame Destro(Box opened to see face and glued shut) $25 > > > MOC Hall Of Fame Cobra Commander $40 > > > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #1 $30 > > > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #2 $30 > > > MOC Cobra Commander(Final version - black) $20 > As long as it's not a public auction a la newsgroups. Just a > post announcing it, a post during the middle of it for those who missed > out, and a post the day before it's over for those who still missed out. That's just too much. Maybe the first and last, but no need for the "middle"....? Let me re-state my position. I don't mind the occasional announcement when someone has some things for sale/trade. (I will probably make similiar postings). I'm just worried that once you open Pandora's box, it will be too late. That's what Newsgroups are for....... Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n232.30 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:28:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI......Here are THREE different places that ads can be posted, and found. (not to mention the Newsgroup); 3 3/4 Newsletter H.Q.: http://webusers.anet-stl.com/~stinson/joehq/ Classified Section on Tomart's Page: http://www.netroactive.com/classifieds/gijoe/a.cgi/3--4 Big Red Toybox Classifieds: http://www.bigredtoybox.com/ads/adjoe2.htm ***Again, I (personally) don't mind the occasional self-promotion on the group, I just don't want people who have never actually participated in ANY conversation to start posting 30 times a week.********* And if you want to auction items, try E-bay. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 1:04 PM > > I AGREE 105 % !!!! > > stuff for sale belongs on the Joe HQ ' classified' section, or similar - not on the DISCUSSION listserve, > AL --------------- END gijoe.v001.n232 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n233 -------------- 001 - Adam Casey - Re: GI JOE miniseries 005 - Adam Casey - Re: Favorite Accessories/Chuckles' Holster 013 - Adam Casey - Lifeline Question 016 - "Dan C." - Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale... 017 - "Julius Cooper" - Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale... 020 - Adam Casey Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:29:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707251804.LAA27136@lists1.best.com> [caution: long] > stuff for sale belongs on the Joe HQ ' classified' section, or similar > - not on the DISCUSSION listserve, Has this listserv ever been declared totally discussion? And what exactly IS discussion? Are requests for toys or tapes or other items discussion? And, you've got to realize that many people don't know what or where the Joe HQ is. Some one recently asked for the URL. You can't assume everyone has the same resources or knows of the same resources as the most informed people. This listserv is a melting pot of knowledge and ideals. Some haven't stopped collecting and some are just getting back in. Some know all of the serial numbers of all the Joes and some could care less about file cards and such. Some know the comic series by heart and some only acknowledge the story line of the cartoon show. You see, G.I. Joe has no limits and we shouldn't place any on them. We're a FAN based organization, not starched shirts and stuffy board rooms dictating which vehicle to showcase in next weeks episode or which neon colors to use on the next X-Viper. We're on everyday at all times, not just weekday afternoons at 4pm. When the new Joes come out later this year and Easter next, I'm sure we'll get some 're-kindled flame' collectors, "Hey, these things are way better than those posability-of-a-stick Spawn figures" new guy collectors, and, of course the band wagon collectors and the scalpers who are willing to sell you the new set plus finding fee, gas, shipping and handling, and anything else they can think of. When this comes, THEN will be the time to worry about multiple for sale posts. I think we should cherish this time of Joe when we can get loose figures for $3 and someone's willing to give away a vehicle part or accessory for free. Once the price guides catch whim of new Joe, surely we won't be able to get new figures for less than $8 and it'll be a free-for-all (ironic, isn't?) for parts. Forget about the prices, forget about the quanity, forget about the number of posts. Remember the the joy, remember the quality, and remember the first time you saw Joe and was like 'Wow!'. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.2 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: 25 Jul 97 14:36:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Travis L. Rodgers wrote: >I hope we're not going to start getting tons of advertisements here. I'm >on another e-mail group like this for another figurine I collect, and it's We've had this discussion, and the generally-accepted notion is that we'll tolerate them, so long as they're not repetitive (a la' auction updates) or abusive/insulting (a la' the Elm Liquidators' posts). My personal take is that people in violation of this should be POLITELY reminded (preferably by Conor, as this is his "toy" :) that ours is not a venue for spamming people, and such behavior will not be tolerated... And, just a minor retort, in defense of "Julian Wolfe"--there were *FOUR* 3-3/4" items listed (5, if you include the VEGA), and some of us do also collect the HOF figures (considering these were bigger versions of our fave figs, it stands to reason)... As for prices: I think the notion of "whatever the traffic will bear" would be wisely applied here; if a seller can't get what they're asking, they either drop their price or leave the market (still holding the merchandise...) My $.02... Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.3 --------------- From: "Julian Wolfe" Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:42:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sorry, but I can't really post on the pages because my ISP only works about 10% of the time. Email is the only way I can post my wares. I'm lowering the prices a bunch if anyone cares to know. Sorry if I bothered anyone. ---------- > From: Travis L. Rodgers > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 1:28 PM > > FYI......Here are THREE different places that ads can be posted, and found. > (not to mention the Newsgroup); > > 3 3/4 Newsletter H.Q.: > http://webusers.anet-stl.com/~stinson/joehq/ > > Classified Section on Tomart's Page: > http://www.netroactive.com/classifieds/gijoe/a.cgi/3--4 > > Big Red Toybox Classifieds: > http://www.bigredtoybox.com/ads/adjoe2.htm > > ***Again, I (personally) don't mind the occasional self-promotion on the > group, I just don't want people who have never actually participated in ANY > conversation to start posting 30 times a > week.********* > > And if you want to auction items, try E-bay. > > Travis L. Rodgers > trodger@arkansas.net > http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > > ---------- > > From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com > > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > > Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) > > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 1:04 PM > > > > I AGREE 105 % !!!! > > > > stuff for sale belongs on the Joe HQ ' classified' section, or similar - > not on the DISCUSSION listserve, > > AL --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.4 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: GI JOE miniseries Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707251036.DAA23682@lists1.best.com> <199707251718.KAA07249@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707251740.KAA16638@lists1.best.com> >I remember during the mini-series (or maybe it was the Serpentor one), >when they came back or went to commerical, Sgt. Slaughter would stay >stuff like "Looks like we got those snakes on the run. Hang on and we'll >see if we can't stomp 'em." or something to that effect. Does anyone >know what I'm talking about? I remember what you're talking about, but only after you mentioned it....I think it was the movie, because Sarge actually played a pretty big part in it....although it could have been the Serpentor one, because he played a big part in that too. So in other words, I know he did it, but don't know when. (thinking about it, the movie actually cheapened the series....it was just a different style I guess) >Also, were any parts edited or taken out of the movie so that it could be >shown (for content or time constraints) on TV? Hmm....I doubt it, I recently got the movie and originally only watched it on TV when it was shown there. I never rented it before, and there was never a part that I thought "I don't remember that" dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.5 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:45:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707251818.LAA04518@lists1.best.com> > > I think advertsiments are occasionally okay. It gets out of hand > > when 3 e-mails a day from one person are the same advetisment. > > It gets out-of-hand when it's 3 e-mails a WEEK w/ the same advertisement. > True, but, it hasn't gotten that bad yet, and, I think it'll stop before it starts. I mean, Corey stopped ELM and their bad business habits when they wanted to be on the Joe HQ classifieds. > TODAY, it's only one post. What about tomorrow, next week, etc. I just > want to nip this thing in the bud before it gets out of hand, and all we > see are advertisements. (I've seen it happen...and eventually, everyone > who actually contributed to the group gets out.) I doubt it'll get to that part because, in my opinion, Joe is a more civilized hobby, you know? Look at Star Wars and POTF2. It got CRAZY last year and has died down but it still gets nasty at times. With G.I. Joe we've got people who whould get at up at 5am if Joe came on at that time when they were little. I know I did. We got people who are dedicated and LOVE Joe, not the money Joe can bring them. > Yada, yada, yada. Yes, you can charge what you want. But I don't want to > constantly be bombarded by someone who's just looking for a quick $. I'd > rather take part in conversation on this group. We're not being bombarded and once we are, a polite word should take care of it and if it doesn't, we can give them the boot, unlike newsgroups. > Also, If you look, I believe there are THREE (my exageration before, I'll > meet you in the middle) 3 3/4 figures for sale. (headhunter, vega, cobra > commander....) > 6: Battle Corps Techno-Viper, Headhunter 1, Headhunter 2, Vega, Cobra Commander, I may be stubborn, but, I just like to be right :) > > As long as it's not a public auction a la newsgroups. Just a > > post announcing it, a post during the middle of it for those who missed > > out, and a post the day before it's over for those who still missed out. > > That's just too much. Maybe the first and last, but no need for the > "middle"....? > I think a middle one is fine. I know I've joined listservs to find out that an auction had been going on and got a middle one a few days later. A middle one is optional. > Let me re-state my position. I don't mind the occasional announcement when > someone has some things for sale/trade. (I will probably make similiar > postings). I'm just worried that once you open Pandora's box, it will be > too late. That's what Newsgroups are for....... Personally, I don't read alt.toys.gi-joe. I *HATE* newsgroups. Too much crap (Make money quick, XXX-porn-cheerleaders!!!!, etc.). We keep the crap out listservs because all of the net.scalpers and other spam pedlers rarely visit the web. That's how I found out about the 3 3/4" G.I. Joe mailing list. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.6 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: fiddly dee Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:54:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It appears that Julian Wolfe had 5 3 3/4" G.I. Joes for sale. Tee-hee. Sorry about my stubborness :) adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.7 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:18:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > And, you've got to realize that many people don't know what or where the > Joe HQ is. Some one recently asked for the URL. You can't assume > everyone has the same resources or knows of the same resources as the > most informed people. That's been taken care of...... > This listserv is a melting pot of knowledge and ideals. Some haven't > stopped collecting and some are just getting back in. Some know all of > the serial numbers of all the Joes and some could care less about file > cards and such. Some know the comic series by heart and some only > acknowledge the story line of the cartoon show. I agree. I've just starting reconstructing my collection in the last month, or so. I'm also interested in the comics, and the original TV series. > When the new Joes come out later this year and Easter next, I'm sure > we'll get some 're-kindled flame' collectors, "Hey, these things are way > better than those posability-of-a-stick Spawn figures" new guy > collectors, and, of course the band wagon collectors and the scalpers who > are willing to sell you the new set plus finding fee, gas, shipping and > handling, and anything else they can think of. When this comes, THEN > will be the time to worry about multiple for sale posts. Why Wait till then? Scalpers prevail even now..... > I think we should cherish this time of Joe when we can get loose figures > for $3 and someone's willing to give away a vehicle part or accessory for > free. Once the price guides catch whim of new Joe, surely we won't be > able to get new figures for less than $8 and it'll be a free-for-all > (ironic, isn't?) for parts. ABSOLUTELY!!! That's why this group, in my humble opinion, should not become the internet G.I.Joe Flea Market. >It appears that Julian Wolfe had 5 3 3/4" G.I. Joes for sale. Tee-hee. >Sorry about my stubborness :) Thank you. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.8 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Favorite Accessories/Chuckles' Holster Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:25:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I kinda like Chuckles' holster,....I guess because at the time, it was such an original accessory. No other figure before then had a holster (or leg attachment, like later figs...i/e '89 Rock & Roll). For the longest time, I used his holster as a waist-holster. THEN, I figured out it was a sholder holster. What are some of YOUR favorite accessories? Fast Draw came with some of the coolest accessories, in my opinion. (minus obvious choices like Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes v. 2) Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.9 --------------- From: "Julian Wolfe" Subject: Re: Carded guys for sale - Final post - no more annoyances Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:38:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't know what to ask for these. I'm dropping the prices a bit. MIB Razor Blade $14 MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #1 $14 MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #2 $14 MOC Street Fighter Vega $7 MOC Hall Of Fame Destro(Box opened to see face and glued shut) $20 MOC Hall Of Fame Cobra Commander $35 MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #1 $25 MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #2 $25 MOC Cobra Commander(Final version - black) $12 MOC Headhunter $15 MOC Viper (final issue) $10 MOC Star Brigade Astro Viper $10 MOC Crimson Guard Commander $10 Will trade for Cobra Rattler. ---------- > From: Julian Wolfe > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Carded guys for sale - Right Here > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 12:04 PM > > I got a few rares and some commons for sale here, lmk if you want to > purchase anything > > Everything here is MIB/MOC > > Battle Corps Techno Viper with mech thing - bid on this. Starts at $30. > Send bids to thundercracker@iwc.net > > MIB Razor Blade $20 > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #1 $25 > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #2 $25 > MOC Street Fighter Vega $12 > MOC Hall Of Fame Destro(Box opened to see face and glued shut) $25 > MOC Hall Of Fame Cobra Commander $40 > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #1 $30 > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #2 $30 > MOC Cobra Commander(Final version - black) $20 > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.10 --------------- From: JJWR1@aol.com Subject: Re: GI JOE miniseries Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:51:17 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-25 14:49:59 EDT, you write: << Actually, it did. It never made it to the Theaters because the Transformers movie did so awful. It originally was broken up into a 5 part miniseries, then released on video (or released on video first) but in either case, it was the end of the Sunbow cartoons, and definitely was shown on tv as a 5 part miniseries. In my areas was the "last hurrah", removing the run entirely from daytime tv. *until those awful DIC episodes that is* >> I do remember it being shown as a 5 parter, that was the first time I saw it. Whats so bad about the DIC episodes? Its been quite a few years since I've seen any G.I.Joe episodes(with the exception of the Mass Device which I just bought), but I can't remember the difference between sunbow/Dic(didn't even know there was one). Josh --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.11 --------------- From: mike&Candy List Subject: Re: Carded guys for sale - Final post - no more annoyances Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:02:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707251939.MAA12383@lists1.best.com> Alright...That's IT!THE LAST STRAW!!!!!!!! PREPARE TO DIE,COBRA SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I didn't know what to ask for these. I'm dropping the prices a bit. > > MIB Razor Blade $14 > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #1 $14 > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #2 $14 > MOC Street Fighter Vega $7 > MOC Hall Of Fame Destro(Box opened to see face and glued shut) $20 > MOC Hall Of Fame Cobra Commander $35 > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #1 $25 > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #2 $25 > MOC Cobra Commander(Final version - black) $12 > MOC Headhunter $15 > MOC Viper (final issue) $10 > MOC Star Brigade Astro Viper $10 > MOC Crimson Guard Commander $10 > > Will trade for Cobra Rattler. > ---------- > > From: Julian Wolfe > > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > > Subject: Carded guys for sale - Right Here > > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 12:04 PM > > > > I got a few rares and some commons for sale here, lmk if you want to > > purchase anything > > > > Everything here is MIB/MOC > > > > Battle Corps Techno Viper with mech thing - bid on this. Starts at $30. > > Send bids to thundercracker@iwc.net > > > > MIB Razor Blade $20 > > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #1 $25 > > MOC Headhunter Stormtrooper #2 $25 > > MOC Street Fighter Vega $12 > > MOC Hall Of Fame Destro(Box opened to see face and glued shut) $25 > > MOC Hall Of Fame Cobra Commander $40 > > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #1 $30 > > MOC Hall of Fame Storm Shadow #2 $30 > > MOC Cobra Commander(Final version - black) $20 > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.12 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Favorite Accessories/Chuckles' Holster Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:27:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707251923.MAA05010@lists1.best.com> >For the longest time, I used his holster as a waist-holster. THEN, I >figured out it was a sholder holster. I always assumed it was a waist holder....I tried to get it to be a shoulder holster, and I think thats when I broke it. I would like to see what it looks like as a shoulder holster though. >What are some of YOUR favorite accessories? Hmmm....thats a tough one. I liked TONS of them. Storm Shadow 1 was cool because all that stuff fit in his backpack, Snow Job was cool I always liked the ski's. Firefly 1 had some good ones, Doc, Snow Serpent, Torpedo 1, Mutt 1, but I guess the one i liked the most was the whale that came with Cutter. Actually....there was so many great ones its impossible to narrow it down. I can tell you that I liked Psyche-outs the LEAST. YUCK. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.13 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:19:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707251916.MAA02049@lists1.best.com> > Why Wait till then? Scalpers prevail even now..... > Not true. To scalp something, you have to charge a higher than retail price for a currently avaible item. Now, when people start charge $50 for the still available Shadow Ninjas at TRU, THEN we can call it scalping :) Another aspect includes creating an artificial demand, which, happens to vintage Joe all the time, imo. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.14 --------------- From: Rerun1138@aol.com Subject: Re: GI JOE miniseries Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:31:59 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-25 15:07:08 EDT, you write: > >I remember during the mini-series (or maybe it was the Serpentor one), > >when they came back or went to commerical, Sgt. Slaughter would stay > >stuff like "Looks like we got those snakes on the run. Hang on and we'll > >see if we can't stomp 'em." or something to that effect. Does anyone > >know what I'm talking about? > I remember what you're talking about, but only after you mentioned it....I > think it was the movie, because Sarge actually played a pretty big part in > it....although it could have been the Serpentor one, because he played a > big part in that too. So in other words, I know he did it, but don't know > when. (thinking about it, the movie actually cheapened the series....it > was just a different style I guess) In1988, I guess as a way to extend the number of episodes in the syndication package without producing new episodes, the first 2 GI Joe mini-series and GI Joe the movie were added to the regular syndication rotation (the other 2 mini-series were already part of the rotation). Because they couldn't leave well-enough alone, or possibly because they just wanted the episodes to look "new," live footage of Sgt. Slaughter was added to the intro and commercial breaks of GI Joe the Movie, the MASS device episodes, the Revenge of Cobra, and the Pyramid of Darkness episodes. He basically explained what happened "last time on GI Joe" and reminded us not to miss tomorrow's episode. During the commercial breaks he'd snap off "witty" comments like "This'll only take a minute! We'll be right back!" and upon the show's return he'd add "Okay, so it took two minutes!" The benefit of this footage is questionable, but one cool thing was that a new intro was also added. It was clipped together from the old intros, the movie, and most interestingingly, the comic book commercials. I specifically remember animation from the Rolling Thunder and Desert Fox commercials being used. You may (or may not) remember a similar overall given to the Transformers series at the same time. As I recall, the series was reduced to a weekly (rather than daily) series and was shown (in Atlanta) on Sunday mornings. A "live" Optimus Prime told the stories to a little kid. A new intro was similarly pieced together using animation from the comic book and toy commercials. I'm not sure what happened to the Sgt. Slaughter footage after Dic took over (I don't recall seeing it after Dic repackaged all the old episodes in 91), but I'm quite sure that the cool intro was dropped in favor of Dic's excuse for an intro (Gotta get tough, my foot! :-). > >Also, were any parts edited or taken out of the movie so that it could be > >shown (for content or time constraints) on TV? > Hmm....I doubt it, I recently got the movie and originally only watched it > on TV when it was shown there. I never rented it before, and there was > never a part that I thought "I don't remember that" I don't believe the movie was ever edited, but interestingly, the original MASS Device miniseries was edited *for video*! One would expect it to be the other way around, but I specifically remember a scene from that mini-series which was shown on TV (as late as 1989) that is not on the video I have. I'm not sure if the other mini-series were edited or not. -Ed Mundy --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.15 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Lifeline Question Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:43:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know in the cartoon that Lifeline was extremely anti-gun, how was his attitude in the comic? I pose this question for 1 simple reason.....the figure...came with a gun. Trying to pinpoint where the figures are supposed to be 'sculpted' from - the cartoon or the comic. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.16 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:48:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707251916.MAA02049@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707252029.NAA05346@lists1.best.com> > Not true. To scalp something, you have to charge a higher than >retail price for a currently avaible item. Now, when people start charge >$50 for the still available Shadow Ninjas at TRU, THEN we can call it >scalping :) Shadow Ninjas? what are they and how much are they still available for? In Metro Boston there is NOWHERE around that sells Joes (not that I've found though) dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.17 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Cotswold Date: 25 Jul 97 12:03:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy, y'all! :) Well, I'm here to say that the circle has been broken, and I need not lather/rinse/repeat anymore, for--verily--I did drop $65 with our good buds from Whidbey Island, and am here to gloat: Okay, spent $6 on a CNP Skidmark, just so I didn't feel like I was spending $4.50 shipping on nothing... But, my major purchase--the new 'Grail' in my collection, if you will-- is a MOC Indian release of Snake-Eyes called "Street Hawk." It features a recolored RAM (black), with silver tapestripe, and Snakes has silver accents and a black helmet. VERY COOL, and man, am I a-whoopin' and a-hollerin'! :) So, I've got a bit of faith in Dick and Tina again, as I received this catalog on the 10th, and this item was still available... It's gonna sit MOC for a while, and I'll try to get some pix for Eugene's page, so y'all can see it for yourselves... Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.18 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:42:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707251916.MAA02049@lists1.best.com> <199707252041.NAA11328@lists1.best.com> > Shadow Ninjas? what are they and how much are they still available for? In > Metro Boston there is NOWHERE around that sells Joes (not that I've found > though) Shadow Ninjas would change color in sunlight (or was it water?). The TRU in Raleigh, NC still has these for $4.99 I think. The Big Lots in Smithfield, NC had some SF vehicles and the Toy Liquidators in Smithfield, NC had some Armor-Bots a while back too. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.19 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:07:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707251804.LAA27136@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707251839.LAA14660@lists1.best.com> >You see, G.I. Joe has no limits and we shouldn't place any on them. >We're a FAN based organization, not starched shirts and stuffy board This is whats so great about the list....from what I can tell, the people who are on it are actually people who are collecting for the sheer joy of the hobby, and not a bunch of people who are like "Wow...I have this rare figure and I'll sell it to the highest bidder for twice what the guide says because I want money money money money money money money!!". Plus, I've dealt with a few people on the list, and I've gotten some pretty damn fine deals. I don't care who posts what they have for sale...as long as its not a business. If Cotswold posted to this list, I'd be pissed. Its not for them to advertise, its for people to share their enjoyment of the figures, and offer items they have to others who they know would enjoy them. >I think we should cherish this time of Joe when we can get loose figures >for $3 and someone's willing to give away a vehicle part or accessory for >free. Once the price guides catch whim of new Joe, surely we won't be >able to get new figures for less than $8 and it'll be a free-for-all >(ironic, isn't?) for parts. I agree with this....as much as we're all anticipating the new joes, I'm actually trying to complete as much as my collection as I can afford before they come out, because I _KNOW_ that most of the deals are gonna end, because there are going to be people coming to this list and buying up anything and everything while its cheap. Then we'll see the prices go up. You think its hard to find things at flea markets and yard sales now? Just wait until someone gets the idea that "Hey...maybe these things ARE valuable" And toy dealers....they don't care...they'll buy stuff and sell it for a huge markup and if they don't sell it they'll just hold onto it (unless they are really hurtin for money) because what they are selling is an old toy...that will only become more valuable with age. >Forget about the prices, forget about the quanity, forget about the >number of posts. Remember the the joy, remember the quality, and >remember the first time you saw Joe and was like 'Wow!'. You know....you hit the nail right on the head with this one. I couldn't think of a better way to say it....except maybe a fancier font :P dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.20 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Parts Lister #4 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:52:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the 4th issue of Parts Lister. I'm hoping to have an official name soon. For all of those members who have signed on and not voted for a name, please e-mail me. Adam Casey (who's wearing a sombrero) adamcas@ipass.net Julius Cooper JUCOOPER@us.oracle.com *BODY PIECES* FOR TRADE: Head, arms, legs, crotch, both torso halves of PARATROOPER GUILE (used the body of Ace, v.2 and 3) Head, arms, legs, crotch, both torso halves of Spirit, discolored, missing left thumb Both arms (with some grey paint on "gloves") of Snake-Eyes I (straight-arm) Head, torso, and legs of Torpedo (crotch also, but broken) *GEAR* Budo's backpack Blowtorch's backpack Jinx's backpack (scabbards broken), naginata Para. Guile's helmet,O2 mask Spirit's belt Torch's backpack Torpedo's backpack (spear-holder broken) WANTED: *BODY PIECES* Steeler's arms!!!! Preferably straight, will take swivel Left "calf" (leg below the knee) of Storm Shadow I Right arm of Storm Shadow I Right "calf" (leg below the knee) of Wild Weasel Crotch of Cross-Country, v.1 *GEAR* Airtight's BREATHING hose (not the rifle hose) Blowtorch's flamethrower, helmet, mask Bullhorn's 'briefcase' rifle, handle to megaphone, mask Budo's sai, red sword Falcon's shotgun, knife Firefly I's backpack (both parts), walkie-ta lkie Ice Viper's sai Jinx's katanas (2) Red Star's "ammo feed"(?), ammo belt? Rumbler's gun, helmet Short-Fuze's mortar/stand, backpack Snake-Eyes I's Uzi, explosives pack Snake-Eyes III's sword, "3-bar nunchucks" Snake-Eyes IV's katana, gun, backpack/grappling hook/string Starduster's blue helmet, black visor Storm Shadow I's katana, wakizashi (short sword), nunchuks Techno-Viper I's backpack, hose Tele-Viper's hose, scanner *NEEDING ALL GEAR* Sky Patrol Airborne Sky Patrol Static Line Stalker II (Tundra Ranger) Gary W. DeVoe Gary.DeVoe@UC.Edu *ACCESSORIES* Wanted: USS Flagg: deck clips deck vehicles walkway railings extra decals Joey Smith joeys@misnet.com Want list Gear 3 Flash-like visors JJWR1@aol.com Have list Parts Snake Eyes(v3) Right Arm Snake Eyes(v3) Left Arm Snake Eyes(v3) Head Snake Eyes(v3) Left Leg Snake Eyes(v3) Pair of Legs Snake Eyes(v3) Hips B.A.T(v1) Left Leg Shockwave(v1) Hips Pathfinder Pair of Legs Pathfinder Head Pathfinder Hips Pathfinder Torso(front and back) Croc Master Front Half of Torso Red Star Pair of Legs Red Star Head Red Star Pair of Arms Red Star Torso(front and Back) Red Star Hips Sci-Fi(v2) Pair of Legs Sci-Fi(v2) Front Torso half Sci-Fi(v2) Pair of Arms Sci-Fi(v2) Hips Bullhorn Hips Mercer(v2) Front Torso Half Mercer(v2) Right Arm Mercer(v2) Pair of Legs(no screws for thighs) T.A.R.G.A.T Pair of Arms Gear Jinx Back Pack Snake Eyes(v3) Back Pack Quick Kick Black Pack B.A.T(v1) Back Pack Destro(v1) Back Pack(could be accessory pack) Night Creeper(v1) Barbed Sword Night Viper Rifle Bullhorn Backpack Eel(v1) Backpack(missing propulsion system on bottom) Cobra Commander(v3) Pistol Storm Shadow(v2) Backpack Budo Backpack Bullhorn Gasmask Thrasher Mace Want List Parts Scarlet(v1) Hips Cobra Soldier Hips Snake Eyes(v1) Front Torso and Arms Bazooka(v1) Right Arm Crimson Guardsman(v1) Left Arm Alpine Hips and Legs Beachhead(v1) Hips B.A.T(v1) Front Torso Snake Eyes(v2) Hips, and Torso(front and back) Gear Snow Serpent(v1) All equipment Shipwreck(v1) Parot Cobra Soldier Rifle x2 Storm Shadow(v1) Short Sword Falcon Rifle Snow Job Rifle Adam Casey adamcas@ipass.net Want List Parts/Gear Each name means I need the gear for that figure JOES ---- Airtight Alpine Altititude (and head) Barbacue Beachhead (sans backpack) Bushido (sans backpack) Chuckles (and left arm) Dial-Tone (sans backpack) Deep Six Fridge General Hawk Lady Jaye (sans backpack) Law Leatherneck (and waist) Lifeline (times 2) Lowlight Mercer (times 2) Muskrat Outback (and waist) Psych-Out Quick Kick Red Dog (times 2) Sgt. Slaughter (mail-in) Sgt. Slaughter (pack-in) Shipwreck Shockwave (v2) Slipstream (and waist) Sneakpeek Snowjob Stalker (v2) Stormshadow (v 2) (sans backpack and bow) Taurus (times 2) Wetsuit Windchill Night Force Psych-Out Night Force Tunnel Rat Slaughter's Marauders Lowlight Slaughter's Marauders Spirit (and head) Tiger Force Bazooka Tiger Force Duke (and waist) Tiger Force Lifeline (sans backpack) Tiger Force Roadblock COBRA ----- Alley Viper (and left arm) Astro Viper (and waist) B.A.T. (sans backpack) Buzzer Croc-Master Dr. Mindbender Golobulus Frag Viepr Ice-Viper (times 2) Iron Grenedier Motor-Viper Nemesis Enforcer Ripper Roadpig Sea Slug (sans backpack) Snow Serpent Techno-Viper Televiper (sans backpack) Thrasher Tomax and Xamot Torch Viper W.O.R.M.S. Adam Bernay abernay@psnw.com Want Any decent quality Joes under $5 Mike Nonsense dude@xanadu2.net Parts: C.C. Battle Armour head w/ or w/o Tube Cobra Commander head. Baroness body, any condition Duke legs, waist, chest, head Any short-sleeve pair of arms that fit an early swivel-arm Cobra Commander (Plated) body Accessories Baroness High-Density Laser Rifle Black Cape Cobra C. Pistol Uzi Roger Harkavyr harkavyr@cybernex.net For Sale, $1 each #55 Ripper, missing legs, rifle #405 Battle Corps Crimson Guard Commander, missing head, arms, large rifle #414 Battle Corps Gristle, missing legs, torso #456 Mega Marines Mirage, missing head and all accessories #474 Create A Cobra, missing head and stand #501 Street Fighter II Guile (green), missing torso and all accessories #502 Street Fighter II Guile (red), missing torso and arms *Street Fighter Movie Nightfighter Guile, missing legs, torso, arms, stand Original Edition Liu Kang, missing torso and all accessories In the case of a trade, I am looking for the following: - Cobra-la Royal Guard file card - Headhunter Stormtrooper file card - Cyber-Viper figure (any condition) Travis Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net Have Gear: Zartan's Pistol 1st Snake Eyes explosives pack Wants: (1st) Viper Backpack Cobra Commander--Gun, can be accessory pack version 2nd Hawk Backpack, handgun (1st) Firefly Walkie--Talkie (original only, not white one) (4th) Snake Eyes--Swords Nightforce Shockwave--Gun '91 Lowlight--Flashlight, Knife --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.21 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707252036.NAA08748@lists1.best.com> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Dan C. wrote: > > I know in the cartoon that Lifeline was extremely anti-gun, how was his > attitude in the comic? I pose this question for 1 simple reason.....the > figure...came with a gun. Trying to pinpoint where the figures are > supposed to be 'sculpted' from - the cartoon or the comic. Yes, even in the comic, Lifeline was anti-violence and anti-gun. He did win a fight against Horror-Show of the Oktober Guard when they were captured by river pirates, but he used some form of martial arts which involved only dodging and no offensive maneuvers. I also remember him making a comment to Lift-Ticket (with whom he is always paired - OT : I remember a comment the cartoon writers made when they were first goign to introduce these two characters. This was in an old magazine I read. They said that Lift-Ticket loved shooting thigs, and was pro-violence, while LifeLine was anti-violence. They were always paired together because Lift-Ticket would be piloting the new Tomahawk helicopter, which would be the vehicle which taxied LifeLine around during Joe extractions. They said it would be like having Charles Bronson and Alan Alda in the same chopper - that's the exact analogy they used!!!) Anyway, sorry to ramble on, but through all of the comics I have read, LifeLine never used a gun. But yeah, it's kind of a running gag that all of the LifeLine figs. came with guns...even the sendaway version from Kellogs if I'm not mistaken. Later, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.22 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Cotswold Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:33:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Julius Cooper > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Cotswold > But, my major purchase--the new 'Grail' in my collection, if you will-- > is a MOC Indian release of Snake-Eyes called "Street Hawk." It features > a recolored RAM (black), with silver tapestripe, and Snakes has silver > accents and a black helmet. VERY COOL, and man, am I a-whoopin' and > a-hollerin'! :) I thought this piece looked pretty cool in the catalog. Is the quality just as nice? I've heard (from Eugene) that the India quality is a bit lacking...... --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.23 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:35:22 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707252101.OAA18631@lists1.best.com> I just wanted to add my opinion. I agree with Dan and co. that the fact that most of us are collecting because we grew up loving Joe (and still love 'im) is a comforting fact. I think that it will more than compensate for the people who try to infiltrate the group looking for quick cash (BTW anyone wanna buy MOC Mercer, only $150 'cause he's rare!! :) ) I also think it's okay for occasional posts on sales. I know I'm still looking for many figs, and I've only got a few contacts that I've dealt with before. If people don't advertise what they are selling, it makes it hard to make contacts for those of us trying to complete our collection (or like me - trying to get back the collection which I sold off for $.50 each when I was a nieve little child). Anyway, don't know if anybody cares, but that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. Later, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.24 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:29:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707252128.OAA00287@lists1.best.com> > Anyway, sorry to ramble on, but through all of the comics I have > read, LifeLine never used a gun. But yeah, it's kind of a running gag > that all of the LifeLine figs. came with guns...even the sendaway version > from Kellogs if I'm not mistaken. Did the Kellogg's one have accessories? I can't remember. I know the legs are different (Frostbite's), however, the waist has the lining going down the side which isn't on the figure. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.25 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: 25 Jul 97 17:39:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duane Burchell wrote: > Anyway, sorry to ramble on, but through all of the comics I have >read, LifeLine never used a gun. But yeah, it's kind of a running gag >that all of the LifeLine figs. came with guns...even the sendaway version >from Kellogs if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure 72 others will jump on this, but... The Kellogg's send-away only came with the medical case and his backpack--didn't even have the molded-on one (the left leg came from Topside, actually)... >Later, > Duane Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.26 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:53:37 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707252140.OAA05569@lists1.best.com> > > Anyway, sorry to ramble on, but through all of the comics I have > > read, LifeLine never used a gun. But yeah, it's kind of a running gag > > that all of the LifeLine figs. came with guns...even the sendaway version > > from Kellogs if I'm not mistaken. > > Did the Kellogg's one have accessories? I can't remember. I know the > legs are different (Frostbite's), however, the waist has the lining going > down the side which isn't on the figure. Yeah, the Kellogg's one came with accs, but I can't remember what they were. I know it came with some accessories because I used him on a few rescue missions, and he was never empty handed. Unfortuanlty I can't remember exactly what they were. I might look in Tomarts because I think they have a picture of this sendaway, and might show what he came with. Later, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.27 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:33:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:21 PM 7/25/97 -0500, you wrote: > >TODAY, it's only one post. What about tomorrow, next week, etc. I just >want to nip this thing in the bud before it gets out of hand, and all we >see are advertisements. (I've seen it happen...and eventually, everyone >who actually contributed to the group gets out.) > Travis makes a good point here. While I think forsale posts are OK on this list they need to be monitored closely and sent sparingly. I agree with the sentiments that several others posted. I want to see lists from other collectors, not dealers. However, I don't want to see 10 lists / day from collectors. Like most privileges(sp?), this one has the potential to get abused to the point where either a) forsale lists will get banned from the listserv, or b) people here to discuss GI Joe will "sign out" - permanently. An excellent example is the rec.toys.action-figure USENET newsgroup. Does anyone here read that anymore? I used to read it regularly but there is SO MUCH CRAP in their now that it is nothing but a waste of time. I know no one wants our list to end up like that! Let's not let our standards slip folks, and let's not abuse the privileges we're afforded on here. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.28 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:43 PM 7/25/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I know in the cartoon that Lifeline was extremely anti-gun, how was his >attitude in the comic? I pose this question for 1 simple reason.....the >figure...came with a gun. Trying to pinpoint where the figures are >supposed to be 'sculpted' from - the cartoon or the comic. > >dan >dcarber@tiac.net >dan@bdi.com (Did someone else already say this? :) The figures were designed and sculpted by Hasbro designers. Some initial character development might have been done by Larry Hama but otherwise the comic and cartoon followed characters created by Hasbro. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.29 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: GI JOE miniseries Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:29:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The movie was on TV at least FOX aired it. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Bernay [SMTP:abernay@psnw.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 11:43 AM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Re: GI JOE miniseries On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Eddie Beiles wrote: > I was trying to remember what the various GI JOE miniseries were on tv. I > can remember the MASS Device, the Dark Pyrimad, The Making of Serpentor, > and the movie, if you want to count that one. First off, GI Joe: The Movie, AFAIK, never made it onto TV. Secondly, you forgot the Weather Dominator mini-series, the name of which was "The Revenge of Cobra". Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n233.30 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:42:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is your idea of discussion sending 3 or e-mails "discussing" whether or = not we should let people advertise. Let Conor worry about it. Just = delete the message and move on to the next topic. I'm getting pretty = tired of reading replies to replies, to replies about whether or not we = should be doing something. If you're really concerned send Conor a private e-mail, or send it to = the person. I definitely would like to see what people have for sale. In = fact, I think the general consensus is that we would rather trade with = people on this list than "outsiders" or money grabbing "liquidators" --------------- END gijoe.v001.n233 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n234 -------------- 001 - Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Lifeline Question Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:49:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Finally, a Joe related topic! Lifeline was a pacifist in the comic too. However, in the Special = Missions series (Gosh I miss those) Lifeline proved his worth, since he = has a black belt in Aikido. Which Wild Bill explained as the ability to = redirect your opponents aggression back on himself. A lot of stepping = out of the way, and letting the guy punch the wall. I think Lifeline might have been an attempt to revive an earlier point = on Doc's card, which stated he was a pacifist. Although, that never = really came up. I always just gave the gun to a driver, since they = hardly ever had any. -----Original Message----- From: Dan C. [SMTP:dan@bdi.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 4:43 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Lifeline Question I know in the cartoon that Lifeline was extremely anti-gun, how was his attitude in the comic? I pose this question for 1 simple reason.....the figure...came with a gun. Trying to pinpoint where the figures are supposed to be 'sculpted' from - the cartoon or the comic. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.2 --------------- From: Dan Carber Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:25:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707252236.PAA00126@lists1.best.com> > (Did someone else already say this? :) The figures were designed and >sculpted by Hasbro designers. Some initial character development might have >been done by Larry Hama but otherwise the comic and cartoon followed >characters created by Hasbro. Actually, I was the originator of the question, but somehow (as sometimes happens on this list) the answer to the questions is often posted before the actual question is posted - my guess is that lists.best.com sends them out to different people at different times. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.3 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: annoying advertisements... Final Comment Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:16:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree Duane. This was the reason for my initial post. I've had the opportunity to deal w/ a couple people on the list, and I'm sure that I will deal with many others. My only concern was that people who are not active participants would begin bombarding the group, using it STRICTLY as a sales mechanism. I, too, would like to know what OTHER MEMBERS have for sale/trade, and I will provide that information myself, once I compile it. I never intended to cause such a commotion, or imply that I wanted anyone "ousted" because of a little self-promotion. I'm just looking toward the future. Travis L. Rodgers--who wishes he'd never started....... trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Duane Burchell > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 4:35 PM > > I just wanted to add my opinion. I agree with Dan and co. that the fact > that most of us are collecting because we grew up loving Joe (and still > love 'im) is a comforting fact. I think that it will more than compensate > for the people who try to infiltrate the group looking for quick cash (BTW > anyone wanna buy MOC Mercer, only $150 'cause he's rare!! :) ) > > I also think it's okay for occasional posts on sales. I know I'm still > looking for many figs, and I've only got a few contacts that I've dealt > with before. If people don't advertise what they are selling, it makes it > hard to make contacts for those of us trying to complete our collection > (or like me - trying to get back the collection which I sold off for $.50 > each when I was a nieve little child). > > Anyway, don't know if anybody cares, but that's my opinion, and I'm > sticking to it. > > Later, > Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.4 --------------- From: Conor Malone Subject: fs or ft lists Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:13:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this issue has come up before. we decided that the occasional posting about stuff for sale or trade is acceptable. if you have a big list of stuff then post a url. this list is for collectors/enthusiasts/fans of G.I. Joe. I know that I have posted stuff that I was looking for and people here have been very helpful. if I have or see something interesting that I do not want, I would like to give the people on this list a chance to get it. I will not tolerate dealers posting on this list. I do not want to see the place get cluttered up with for sale lists though. if we all use common sense then there should not be any problems. conor PS Something similar to what I said above will apear in a mailing list FAQ that Eugene and I are working on. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Conor Malone cmalone@yahoo.com Yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Surfing Yahoo! Do You Yahoo!? My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Inc. 3400 Central Expressway Suite 201 Santa Clara, CA 95051 ------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.5 --------------- From: "Julian Wolfe" Subject: My Defense Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:35:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listen I'm sorry if I upset anybody. I *have* posted on this group before as Firefly, and if you didn't notice I had posted looking for a rattler myself. As Shockwave said, "You think I'm in this for the money?" I'm not. I usually turn around and spend the 'profits' on gas money goin to fairs and flea markets for joe stuff. I recently ran into a guy with a BIG bag of joes at one of the collectible shows, in it were quite a few series 1 Storm Shadows at $3 each. I'm going to try to pick some up and sell them at $5 including shipping and show you people that I'm not some guy trying to make a quick buck off of collectors. I honestly don't know what my MOC/MIB stuff is worth and I'm trying to get rid of it. If I offended anyone by posting 2 emails about a few things I had for sale at so-called-rediculous prices, well, I'm sorry. Long live Coba Command! Julian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.6 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:19:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:39 PM 7/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Duane Burchell wrote: > >> Anyway, sorry to ramble on, but through all of the comics I have >>read, LifeLine never used a gun. But yeah, it's kind of a running gag >>that all of the LifeLine figs. came with guns...even the sendaway version >>from Kellogs if I'm not mistaken. > >I'm sure 72 others will jump on this, but... The Kellogg's send-away >only came with the medical case and his backpack--didn't even have the >molded-on one (the left leg came from Topside, actually)... So wait a sec, the mail in Lifeline had different legs than the carded figure of several years earlier?! Ack, I never noticed that. I had the mail-in Lifeline and tossed it in a box of loose figures ages ago. Ugggg, me runs off and whacks self in head. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.7 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: RE: annoying advertisements... (was re/carded guys for sale...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:23:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:42 PM 7/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Is your idea of discussion sending 3 or e-mails "discussing" whether or not >we should let people advertise. Let Conor worry about it. Just delete the >message and move on to the next topic. I'm getting pretty tired of reading >replies to replies, to replies about whether or not we should be doing >something. > >If you're really concerned send Conor a private e-mail, or send it to the >person. I definitely would like to see what people have for sale. In fact, I >think the general consensus is that we would rather trade with people on >this list than "outsiders" or money grabbing "liquidators" I'm afraid I don't agree here. Although I don't want to drag out an off-topic discussion on and on, I am _interested_ in hearing what other list members' opinions are on such matters therefore it surely warrants a little public discussion. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.8 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: My Defense Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:54:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I NEVER meant anything personal. And I shouldn't have attacked your prices. It is a free-market, and you get, what you get. I also didn't realize you'd posted before. My mistake; I guess I just assumed you were some *dealer*, posting what you had here. I just jumped the gun. I didn't realize you were a collector. Good luck, and again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone. NOW, LET'S GET ON WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS OF G.I. Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Julian Wolfe > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: My Defense > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 8:35 PM > > Listen I'm sorry if I upset anybody. I *have* posted on this group before > as Firefly, and if you didn't notice I had posted looking for a rattler > myself. As Shockwave said, "You think I'm in this for the money?" I'm not. > I usually turn around and spend the 'profits' on gas money goin to fairs > and flea markets for joe stuff. I recently ran into a guy with a BIG bag > of joes at one of the collectible shows, in it were quite a few series 1 > Storm Shadows at $3 each. I'm going to try to pick some up and sell them > at $5 including shipping and show you people that I'm not some guy trying > to make a quick buck off of collectors. I honestly don't know what my > MOC/MIB stuff is worth and I'm trying to get rid of it. If I offended > anyone by posting 2 emails about a few things I had for sale at > so-called-rediculous prices, well, I'm sorry. Long live Coba Command! > > Julian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.9 --------------- From: Justin Haley Martin Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 00:26:24 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707252258.PAA09839@lists1.best.com> In the comics Lifeline used a form of martial arts called Aikido, which has no offensive moves. Lifeline was a high ranking black belt. As for the gun, I believe it was a flare gun, but I may be wrong. I recall in #11 that Doc states a medic can't use a gun (but it doesn't say anything about using snowballs). Justin --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.10 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: My first try at a custom fig. Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:30:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm planing on trying to do a custom figure(s)(my first and second depending on how the first turns out). Here are the parts I am looking for. As I just recently re-started collecting Joes I don't have much so for now I just wish to purchase these parts. Condition won't watter much sence I will be repainting them anyway. ----Figure Parts---- Astro Viper's chest & head Main Frame's arms Viper's Legs Big Boa's Waist Darklon's head Decimator arms, chest, torso & legs. ----Acessories.---- Gung-Ho(v2) sword plus any other swords or knives. A small hand gun. Also if anybody has or knows of where I can get a hooded cape. Thanks, Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.11 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:55:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707260427.VAA06236@lists1.best.com> On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Justin Haley Martin wrote: > In the comics Lifeline used a form of martial arts called Aikido, which > has no offensive moves. Lifeline was a high ranking black belt. As for > the gun, I believe it was a flare gun, but I may be wrong. I recall in > #11 that Doc states a medic can't use a gun (but it doesn't say anything > about using snowballs). As far as the real military goes, a medic usually has a choice - they can wear the red cross brassard, not carry a gun, and hope the enemy obeys the Geneva Convention statements on the treatment of medics, or not wear the brassard and carry a gun. According to my brother, who is an Army medic, in time of war most medics go with option 2... Adam Bernay --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.12 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: My first try at a custom fig. Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:56:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707260429.VAA06569@lists1.best.com> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Black Shadow wrote: > Also if anybody has or knows of where I can get a hooded cape. I think your best bet is to buy some felt or other material and make one. Adam Bernay --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.13 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: My first try at a custom fig. Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 07:38:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:30 PM 7/25/97 -0500, you wrote: > >----Figure Parts---- >Decimator arms, chest, torso & legs. That one is going to be a tough find! -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.14 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: fs or ft lists Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 02:30:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone doesn't have access to a list, I'd be happy to host their list = on my home page for free. Just send it in a text document and include = your e-mail address. -----Original Message----- From: Conor Malone [SMTP:cmalone@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 9:13 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: fs or ft lists this issue has come up before. we decided that the occasional posting about stuff for sale or trade is acceptable. if you have a big list of stuff then post a url. this list is for collectors/enthusiasts/fans of G.I. Joe. I know that I have posted stuff that I was looking for and people here have been very helpful. if I have or see something interesting that I do not want, I would like to give the people on this list a chance to get it. I will not tolerate dealers posting on this list. I do not want to see the place get cluttered up with for sale lists though. if we all use common sense then there should not be any problems. conor PS Something similar to what I said above will apear in a mailing list FAQ that Eugene and I are working on. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Conor Malone cmalone@yahoo.com Yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Surfing Yahoo! Do You Yahoo!? My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Inc. 3400 Central Expressway Suite 201 Santa Clara, CA 95051 ------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.15 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: fs or ft lists Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:33:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a good idea. I'd also be willing to also provide space for sale/trade lists on my page to regular members of the group.... (Sorta 'put my money where my mouth is,' I guess.....) Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- From: Ian & Melanie To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: RE: fs or ft lists Date: Saturday, July 26, 1997 1:30 AM If anyone doesn't have access to a list, I'd be happy to host their list on my home page for free. Just send it in a text document and include your e-mail address. -----Original Message----- From: Conor Malone [SMTP:cmalone@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 9:13 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: fs or ft lists this issue has come up before. we decided that the occasional posting about stuff for sale or trade is acceptable. if you have a big list of stuff then post a url. this list is for collectors/enthusiasts/fans of G.I. Joe. I know that I have posted stuff that I was looking for and people here have been very helpful. if I have or see something interesting that I do not want, I would like to give the people on this list a chance to get it. I will not tolerate dealers posting on this list. I do not want to see the place get cluttered up with for sale lists though. if we all use common sense then there should not be any problems. conor PS Something similar to what I said above will apear in a mailing list FAQ that Eugene and I are working on. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Conor Malone cmalone@yahoo.com Yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Surfing Yahoo! Do You Yahoo!? My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Inc. 3400 Central Expressway Suite 201 Santa Clara, CA 95051 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n234.16 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: Re: Prototype stuff Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:56:46 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-25 08:23:32 EDT, you write: > There are undoubtedly more, but that is all that was shown in the 30th > Anniv. Salute trading card set. Another good collection of prototype stuff is the '94 AFN&TR convention issue. TONS of stuff that was supposed to be released in '95 was in it. Examples include: a SECOND series of Manimals, Battle Corps Rangers, and the new Baroness (part of Battle Corps Rangers). New vehicles are in there too. You can still get this for $10 from Cotswolds. Well worth it. Brian --------------- END gijoe.v001.n234 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n235 -------------- 001 - Michele Riggle Subject: Re: Comic Con Final Report Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:32:04 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:41 PM 7/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 10:55 AM -0400 7/22/97, Dan C. wrote: > >>Hmmm....seems like now is the time to go thru those 10 for a $1.00 bins and >>pick out all of those GI-Joe comics, before the new figures come out and >>the comic industry decides that the comics are now valuable again. > >Either that, or the comic book industry experiences a boom the likes of >which they saw in the late 1980s. > > >>That would really SUCK! I hate doing being told what to do at work as it >>is, but being told what to do when your job is to be creative....YUCK!! No >>wonder he hated working on the series, it would grate on me after a while too. > >I dunno. It brings up the famous "art vs commercialism" debate. Most >creative ventures in this world have to be done under SOME guidelines - >when is it too much? I, for one, would relish the challenge to come up >with good storylines under someone's editorial eye. Then again, I'm young >and would be willing to write for free. I suppose when you're in the >business a while, you don't take well to interference from above. > >And I think it's even more of a testament to the talents of Larry Hama and >the writers of the Sunbow/Marvel cartoons - like Buzz Dixon, Flint Dille, >Marv Wolfman, and Paul Dini - that they created such terrific stories under >such conditions. > > >-Eugene > >(I'd give credit to writer Gerry Conway, too, but I'll never forgive him >for the unforgivably bad writing he did on Spiderman. ) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | > | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | > | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | > | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >I just got back fro California and coulden't find Joe comics anywhere!!!!!! Does anyone have extra's for a reasonable price? Thanks, Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n235.2 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: Making a Custom Fig Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 01:14:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What is the best way or what color of paint is used for flesh tones? Also I've got a few responces back from my "want list" saying that the Decimator arms, chest, torso & legs, might be hard to get a hold of so i've decided to use a Crimson Guard Body instead. So if you got one Id be intrested in purchasing it. As I have stated befor I'm just getting back into collecting Joes, so my Joe history is a little rusty. My question is can someone refresh my memory on the history of the Hard & Soft Masters and Snake Eyes & Storm Shadow & Jynx. Like which master was Storm soposedly to have killed and which one trained Jynx and how does Snake Eyes fit in? Doest Zartan fit in there somewhere? I know, Im asking alot but one day you may have the question and I may have the answer. Black Shdow ps..my filecard is almost compleat. Also if you haven't figured it out yet the customs I'm working on is a Black Shadow Versions 1 & 2. -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n235.3 --------------- From: RodneyJag@aol.com Subject: Hi Joes & Cobras Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Hi group. I'm not really a new recruit I was on the list a few months back under a different screen name. But still, here's some of my pertinent info: Name: Rodney Jagessar Location: Queens NY Affiliation: Cobra :) Well that's it for now. Read you all soon! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n235.4 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Parts People Wanted Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:12:33 EDT As I dont' save most of my newsletters(i know, I'm a bad person) I don't still have the parts lister. I do know that someone wanted an Ice Viper sai, and a black (Firefly????) walkie talkie. If the somebody(s) could contact me so I could ID them, and work out a deal, I'd appreciate it. Joe ps. For the record, and the VERY last post about trading/selling, this is my only current forum as I am using an E-mail-only program until I find a local server. I try not to post too often dealing things, but when I hit a garage sale, I try to buy more that I need, repair what I have, and sell the rest. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n235.5 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: My trip to a local toyshow Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 21:59:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Found some intresting figures in a $1 box at a local toyshow to day. Got the kellog's Lifeline mail-in out of the dollar box plus two Thrashers one with Road Pig torso and legs. Got 4 figs In thought to be Joe wanna-b's. Turned out all four are real Joes. Got a Zartan with Ripper head, with chest plate. Also I found a Roadblcok v2(loose) with card. When I got home and read the card turns out the card was for Roadblock v3(Tiger Force). The funny part ot the story is that I got a Roadblock v3 in the $1 box. Heres one that baffaled me. I got a Storm Shadow 1 out of the $1 box. but the head, back, lower half of left leg and left half of upper half of left leg are a cream color. Also got a Storm Shadow 3(not in $1 box). It came with a pink sword and sai. Anyone know who's weapons these are? Soon I will be putting my trade/want list on my web page. Till then. Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- END gijoe.v001.n235 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n236 -------------- 001 - "Travis L. Rodgers" - Re: prototype on E-bay 004 - Rod Pellegrini - Re: Lifeline Question 006 - "Gary W. DeVoe" - Re: prototype on E-bay 009 - Justin Haley Martin - GI-Joe Movie 011 - joe1635@juno.com (Joe M G - Finds 012 - Black Shadow - The evil that men do 017 - "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: prototype on E-bay Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:38:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just ran across this item on E-bay. Is this the real thing? Or what? looks like some kind of jet/helicopter? http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=qpr9557 Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.2 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: Re: prototype on E-bay Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:57:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:38 PM 7/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >I just ran across this item on E-bay. Is this the real thing? Or what? >looks like some kind of jet/helicopter? > >http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=qpr9557 > >Travis L. Rodgers >trodger@arkansas.net >http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > > Isn't this a Skystorm X-wing Chopper. Tomart's #GI5958 Black Shadow -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.3 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: prototype on E-bay Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 22:12:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707280435.VAA10763@lists1.best.com> >I just ran across this item on E-bay. Is this the real thing? Or what? >looks like some kind of jet/helicopter? > >http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=qpr9557 > Ugh. Clueless dealers really annoy me sometimes. It's just the Skystorm X-Wing - released in 1988. Half-helicopter, half-jet - and the darned thing is actually based on a real military vehicle. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.4 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: Hard, soft, young and blind masters Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 00:10:28 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII O.K., I'll try to make a long story short: Zartan was sent to Storm Shadow's ninja clan by cobra Commander (who else could it be?) to kill Snake Eyes. The night he was to commit the murder, he stole one of Storm Shadow's arrows to frame him. The same night, Snake Eyes and the Hard Master (Storm Shadow's uncle) were together in a room. The Hard Master was showing Snakes something called "The cloak of the chamaleon" (or something like that), which consisted in imitating someone so well you even copy their breathing patterns and heart beat. While the Hard Master had assumed snakes breathing and heart-beat, Zartan aimed his reflex bow (equipped with a sound amplifying device) to that room and thought he had snakes in his "sights". He shot storm's arrow--it went through a wall and a pole I think, and straight through the Hard Master, obviously killing him. He then escaped in a helicopter provided by cobra. Before dying, the master told snakes storm shadow wasn't his killer. Yet, the rest of the family didn't quite believe this, and storm escaped to find his uncle's killer and thereby prove his innocence (hhmmmm, I wonder if Zartan ever was a one-armed man? :-) ) The soft master was another member of storm's family, who also came to the U.S. searching for the truth (yes, it is out there agent Mulder). And the Blind master was a member of the clan, but I'm not as familiar with him as I am with the rest. For some reason he faked his own death and ripped the ninja hexagram tatoo of storm's clan off his fore-arm. He taught Jinx, storm's cousin I believe, and had a part in restoring Billy's memory when he was with Cobra Commander, Raptor and Fred. Of course there's more, but that's about it. Rod KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you I am looking for the following Gi Joe (Marvel Comic) back issues: 86-96-106-108 Special Missions: 23 Also looking for Justice League of America #1 (ongoing monthly) If you have any of these and would like to sell/trade it, please e-mail me at: rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.5 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Lifeline Question Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:15:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707260427.VAA06236@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707260455.VAA16608@lists1.best.com> >As far as the real military goes, a medic usually has a choice - they can >wear the red cross brassard, not carry a gun, and hope the enemy obeys the >Geneva Convention statements on the treatment of medics, or not wear the >brassard and carry a gun. According to my brother, who is an Army medic, >in time of war most medics go with option 2... Agreed, but in the Cartoon (and aparantly the comic too) he was an extreme pacifist....I remember an episode (very vaguely) that someone handed him a gun and he said something to the effect that he never touched them, and never would. But, on the package, he's holding one up at the ready. Just one of those little details that always bugged me. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.6 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: My first try at a custom fig. Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:29:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 09:56 PM 7/25/97 -0700, you wrote: > >On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Black Shadow wrote: > >> Also if anybody has or knows of where I can get a hooded cape. > >I think your best bet is to buy some felt or other material and make one. > > Yo Joes: How about "borrowing" one from a POTF Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker? I understand that Luke's a good 'ole boy and probably wouldn't mind doing a favor for a fellow "hero", Real American or otherwise... -Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- "That's the problem with ninjas: they're never around when you need 'em, and when they are, they're never on your side." -G.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.7 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: prototype on E-bay Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:58:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It's just the Skystorm X-Wing - released in 1988. Half-helicopter, > half-jet - and the darned thing is actually based on a real military > vehicle. I was afraid of that. I stopped collecting in 1987, so I guess I just missed it....... Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.8 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: prototype on E-bay Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:18:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707281456.HAA02762@lists1.best.com> >> It's just the Skystorm X-Wing - released in 1988. Half-helicopter, >> half-jet - and the darned thing is actually based on a real military >> vehicle. > >I was afraid of that. I stopped collecting in 1987, so I guess I just >missed it....... I hear ya...stopped around the same time. However, if I was selling a prototype of ANYTHING, the minimum bid would probably start at ten times what he's asking ($3.00 minimum bid for a prototype??) dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.9 --------------- From: Justin Haley Martin Subject: Re: Comic Con Final Report Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707280401.VAA29929@lists1.best.com> >And I think it's even more of a testament to the talents of Larry Hama and >the writers of the Sunbow/Marvel cartoons - like Buzz Dixon, Flint Dille, >Marv Wolfman, and Paul Dini - that they created such terrific stories under >such conditions. When did Marv Wolfman write cartoons, and which ones? He's always been one of my favorite comic writers. >-Eugene > >(I'd give credit to writer Gerry Conway, too, but I'll never forgive him >for the unforgivably bad writing he did on Spiderman. ) I liked Roy Thomas, Len Wein and Roger Stern myself. Conway was never as bad as Tom Defalco and most of the dreck they're publishing these days.;-) Justin --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.10 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: GI-Joe Movie Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:54:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707251804.LAA27136@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707251839.LAA14660@lists1.best.com> I was fortunate over the weekend, in that I went to a local Bradlees and found and purchased a "GI-Joe The Movie" in the clamshell cover. The spine had the Dolby symbol on it, and the "Stereo" logo splashed on it. I was ecstatic, so I took it home, popped it in the VCR and the difference in quality from the original was definitely the same quality as the tape I found at a flea market for $2.00. Needless to say, although I'm very happy to have found the video, the quality isn't really an improvement. Not that it matters, because it is an older cartoon and is still tons of fun to watch....Just thought I'd share my discovery with the rest of the list because hey....someone has to. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com ps - My shipment of cartoons arrived, so I'm going to start doing 'research' this evening for my up and coming GI-Joe Cartoon Summary web site. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.11 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Finds Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:38:09 EDT I was at TRU today, and while searching the clearence aisle for any GI Joes that might have found their way there, and at the back of the aisle, I found a Rambo Tank, and a Corps! 10 pack. I saw either urban camo, or desert camo. It has ten assorted figs, two motorcycles, and a Corps! assualt vehicle(jeep). It was $19.99. I also found at Walmart a Corps! 3-pack with a motorcycle. I bough the urban camo pack, and am curious is these are good for customs, repairs, or cool enough to use with Joes? Joe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.12 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: H.E.A.T. Viper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:46:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What are the "fins" on HEAT Viper's legs for? Alos is there ever going to be an time for a Joe IRC dicussion? And if so what Server, Network[Daln.et new.net another.net what ever] and channel time/date? -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.13 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Flea Market Finds/Trade Page Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:17:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought I'd share MY finds today, as I went flea-marketing. First stop: Mint figures of Tiger Force Duke, '92 Duke, a '92 Beachhead ($1), and '92 Armor Tech General Hawk. Also some vehicles here...(that I didn't get)....Hiss II: that Submarine thing from '89?: a small Cobra "plane", dark blue/purple, w/ open cockpit like FANG (anyone ID this thing?), and some type of Armored Transport thing..... (I'm pretty clue-less at vehicles past 1987)..and some others I can't even describe (one was a disc-shaped Cobra vehicle that cuts through things....) Second Stop: THE MOTHERLOAD. A LOT of carded figures.... I picked up a Red Star for $5.60!! I'm going back tomorrow after deciding what else I want... (you can find a list of what else is there on my TRADE page below; if you want some....) ALSO: I've finished my "extras" trade page, and encourage you to visit. Some highlights include Lady Jaye, Flint, '82 Rock & Roll, '82 Short Fuze, '82 Flash, '89&'91 Snake Eyes, and Many More; AS well as what I'm looking for: http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/joepage.html Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.14 --------------- From: Ttillery1@aol.com Subject: Re: GI-Joe Movie Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Is the new release in Dolby Pro Logic surround sound? --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.15 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: GI JOE lot for sale Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:06:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not usually one to post items for sale on the list but a friend of mine has ...well a big truck load of stuff he wants to get rid of. From what he told me,he has 2 aircraft carriers,a Defiant launch complex,and about 12 to 15 huge boxes full of figures and vehicles. I haven't seen it but I've delt with him before and he is pretty honest. From what he is telling me you would need a u-haul truck to come and pick the stuff up in. he wants to sell it all as a lot,and wants around $2,000 for everything.He dosen't have a list of whats in the boxes though. I thought I would post this to the list first before setting it up on my for sale site,just in case anyone here was interested. If any of you are, e-mail me for his name and number. Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.16 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: The evil that men do Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:46:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707280435.VAA10763@lists1.best.com> Saw this information on rec.toys.action-figures today. ************************************************************************* Don't ask for these because I already sold them. (I had originally offered them for 10-40 dollars each but I had to start my own auction since I got about 30 e-mails from people who wanted to buy them. 1) Duke (1st edition) - $75 2) Snake-Eyes(1st edition) - $185 3) Flint(1st edition) - $30 4) Scarlett(1st edition) - $89 5) Baroness - $127 6) Cover Girl - $75 7) Destro(1st edition) - $70 8) Destro(2nd edition) - $67 9) Serpentor - $35 10) Cobra Commander(1st edition) - $50 11) Cobra Commander(mail-away) - $56 ************************************************************************* Not to doubt that someone auctioned their figures - it's very possible that someone really really really wanted a straight-arm Snake Eyes or Destro (v2) enough to pay 600% of what it sells for. But we all gotta watch each other's backs. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.17 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: The evil that men do Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:53:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some one's really full of it!!!!!!! Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Eugene > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: The evil that men do > Date: Monday, July 28, 1997 10:46 PM > > > Saw this information on rec.toys.action-figures today. > > ************************************************************************* > Don't ask for these because I already sold them. (I had originally offered > them for 10-40 dollars each but I had to start my own auction since I got > about 30 e-mails from people who wanted to buy them. > 1) Duke (1st edition) - $75 > 2) Snake-Eyes(1st edition) - $185 > 3) Flint(1st edition) - $30 > 4) Scarlett(1st edition) - $89 > 5) Baroness - $127 > 6) Cover Girl - $75 > 7) Destro(1st edition) - $70 > 8) Destro(2nd edition) - $67 > 9) Serpentor - $35 > 10) Cobra Commander(1st edition) - $50 > 11) Cobra Commander(mail-away) - $56 > ************************************************************************* > > Not to doubt that someone auctioned their figures - it's very possible that > someone really really really wanted a straight-arm Snake Eyes or Destro > (v2) enough to pay 600% of what it sells for. > > But we all gotta watch each other's backs. > > > -Eugene > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | > | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | > | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | > | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.18 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: H.E.A.T. Viper Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:10:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They hold his missiles. -----Original Message----- From: Black Shadow [SMTP:Tyberious@mail.org] Sent: Monday, July 28, 1997 7:47 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: H.E.A.T. Viper What are the "fins" on HEAT Viper's legs for? Alos is there ever going to be an time for a Joe IRC dicussion? And if so what Server, Network[Daln.et new.net another.net what ever] and channel time/date? -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n236.19 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: H.E.A.T. Viper Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:23:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:46 PM 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >What are the "fins" on HEAT Viper's legs for? You mean the ones around the ankles? He came with a bunch of little rockets that attached to the fins. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- END gijoe.v001.n236 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n237 -------------- 001 - "Dan C." - Re: Finds 002 - "Dan C." - Re: Flea Market Finds/Trade Page 003 - "Dan C." - Re: GI-Joe Movie 004 - "Dan C." - My weekly ramblings 005 - "Julius Cooper" - Re: prototype on E-bay 009 - "Dan C." - Re: prototype on E-bay 010 - Firefly - Condition Guide 012 - "Dan C." - GI Joe Aliens 013 - "Corey D. Stinson" - Re: GI Joe Aliens 020 - Eugene - Re: Trading cards, and maybee more 021 - Adam Casey Subject: Re: Finds Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:28:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707282340.QAA26783@lists1.best.com> At 07:38 PM 7/28/97 EDT, you wrote: >I was at TRU today, and while searching the clearence aisle for any GI >Joes that might have found their way there, and at the back of the aisle, >I found a Rambo Tank, and a Corps! 10 pack. I saw either urban camo, or I have NEVER seen these Rambo toys. Someone on the list mentioned that they were set the same scale as the 3 3/4" Joes, and there was a tank and a hummer. I REALLY want to get one of these hummers, so if anyone finds one, please email me at dcarber@tiac.net because in exactly 1 week, dan@bdi.com will cease to exist as an email address. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.2 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Flea Market Finds/Trade Page Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:31:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707290014.RAA12001@lists1.best.com> At 07:17 PM 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >Thought I'd share MY finds today, as I went flea-marketing. >Second Stop: THE MOTHERLOAD. A LOT of carded figures.... I picked up a Ya know....i NEVER have this luck at yard sales and Flea Markets (except that time back in 90 when I went to a yard sale and picked up a Terrordrome and a beat up Defender shuttle complex for $20.00) Every flea market and yard sale I go to comes up empty. I must be in the wrong part of the country, either that or I have awful timing. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.3 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: GI-Joe Movie Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:44:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707290020.RAA14815@lists1.best.com> At 08:20 PM 7/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >Is the new release in Dolby Pro Logic surround sound? I don't think its actually Pro-Logic, but if I think of it, I'll check when I get home this evening. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com Actually....I just remembered....I packed the GI-Joe movie away with my other videotapes....I won't be able to check until next week when I start unpacking. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.4 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: My weekly ramblings Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:01:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707290020.RAA14815@lists1.best.com> Yesterday I got a bunch of Joe cartoons, and started watching them, and I realized that Breaker was in a LOT of the episodes. Its pretty amazing to me that he was in so many, yet only had 1 figure and that one was from the first series. Someone (pretty sure it was Eugene) said that the writers for the show were told by Hasbro who they could showcase and who they couldn't. That leads me to wonder if Hasbro was really trying to push Breaker on us, or the writers of the show actually liked him a bit. I couldn't imagine why Hasbro would want to push a figure that was no longer available though. Speaking of availability, it always bugged me that toys/figures were shown so much on the show (like scarlett, Cobra commander, Vamp, trouble bubble, jetpacks etc) but so impossible to find because they were out of distribution. I always wished that the more popular items/figures shown in the cartoon were always available. The Trouble bubble was one of my favorite toys in the cartoon, but I've NEVER seen one 'in person' to this day. Thinking about the new figures, has anyone found any better quality pictures of the new joes? Has a release date actually been confirmed? I'm sure the list will be updated as soon as its known, but just thought i'd check in case someone forgot to mention it :P dan dcaber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.5 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: prototype on E-bay Date: 29 Jul 97 10:03:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay Joes (and Cobras :), I'm a bit behind the times, but my mailserver was out all weekend for an upgrade, and then out most of yesterday because the listener was down...! *GRRR* Okay, nuff of that... I saw the Skystorm X-Wing Chopper out on eBay, and in defense of the seller, I think that he just meant that, AT THE TIME THIS WAS RELEASED, the military X-Wing Chopper was still just a concept vehicle; the fact that Joe had it was just testimony to the Mobile Strike Force being on the cutting edge of technology (a la BF/2K). I mean, honestly, if this guy (or gal/kid/company) were trying to rip people off, they wouldn't have put the picture in, would they? My $.02... Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.6 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: prototype on E-bay Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:30:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Okay, nuff of that... I saw the Skystorm X-Wing Chopper out on eBay, and in > defense of the seller, I think that he just meant that, AT THE TIME THIS WAS > RELEASED, the military X-Wing Chopper was still just a concept vehicle; the > fact that Joe had it was just testimony to the Mobile Strike Force being on > the cutting edge of technology (a la BF/2K). I mean, honestly, if this guy > (or gal/kid/company) were trying to rip people off, they wouldn't have put > the picture in, would they? > Good point. This would explain the low starting bid..... Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.7 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: My weekly ramblings Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707291356.GAA28486@lists1.best.com> On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Dan C. wrote: > Speaking of availability, it always bugged me that toys/figures were shown > so much on the show (like scarlett, Cobra commander, Vamp, trouble bubble, > jetpacks etc) but so impossible to find because they were out of > distribution. I always wished that the more popular items/figures shown in > the cartoon were always available. The Trouble bubble was one of my > favorite toys in the cartoon, but I've NEVER seen one 'in person' to this day. Funny, except for C.C., I couldn't walk into a toy store when the show was on without seeing those toys... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.8 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: prototype on E-bay Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:41:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707291405.HAA01313@lists1.best.com> At 7:03 AM -0700 7/29/97, Julius Cooper wrote: >Okay, nuff of that... I saw the Skystorm X-Wing Chopper out on eBay, and in >defense of the seller, I think that he just meant that, AT THE TIME THIS WAS >RELEASED, the military X-Wing Chopper was still just a concept vehicle; the >fact that Joe had it was just testimony to the Mobile Strike Force being on >the cutting edge of technology (a la BF/2K). I mean, honestly, if this guy >(or gal/kid/company) were trying to rip people off, they wouldn't have put >the picture in, would they? True - but what's worse: someone who's trying to rip you off, or someone who's just clueless? Case in point - yesterday, I was helping some woman set up her e-mail software over the phone. So we're filling in the fields for e-mail address, incoming/outgoing mail servers, and then we get to the part where it says REAL NAME. She responds in a panic, "Real Name? What's my Real Name?" In hindsight, she'd probably feel really stupid for saying something like that. The dealer selling the X-Wing is going to feel really stupid for describing it as a "prototype" - especially after he/she receives e-mail like "That's not a prototype!" or "Where did you get this prototype? Do you have any other toy prototypes for sale?" I'll see your 2cents, and raise ya a nickel! :) -Eugene ------------------------------------------------------------ | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 3 3/4" G.I.Joe Archive | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers | | you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.9 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: prototype on E-bay Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:57:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707291405.HAA01313@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707291742.KAA17646@lists1.best.com> >True - but what's worse: someone who's trying to rip you off, or someone >who's just clueless? I'd vote on the one who's trying to rip you off....the clueless person will overcharge, but once you inform them, they generally say "oops", blush, and lower their price. Besides.....we're all clueless about SOMETHING. (aka baseball cards, transformers, thermo-nuclear physics, women, life, etc) >She responds in a panic, "Real Name? What's my Real Name?" Whats in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.... *sorry, couln't resist* dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.10 --------------- From: Firefly Subject: Re: prototype on E-bay Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:11:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:57 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote: And a garbage dump by any other name still stinks... >Whats in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.... > >*sorry, couln't resist* > >dan >dcarber@tiac.net >dan@bdi.com > > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.11 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Condition Guide Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:52:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Someone posted a list and definition of the conditions of joes (c1-c10) and was wondering if that kind person could post it again. Thanks dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.12 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: GI Joe Aliens Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:47:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707290020.RAA14815@lists1.best.com> Does anyone know anything about the Star Brigade aliens made in 1993? I'm just curious to know if they are out in abundance, and also if they are customizable. Thanks dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.13 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Condition Guide Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:57:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:52 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Someone posted a list and definition of the conditions of joes (c1-c10) and >was wondering if that kind person could post it again. > >Thanks > >dan Here is one defintition. Remember: some people may interpret the system slightly differently, so always clarify before entering into a transaction! C10..Mint, Unused. C9...Near Mint, if used, it was with great care. C8...Very Nice, some wear visible. C7...Presentable, has lost crispness, minor stains or damage. C6...Play wear, with some stains or damage. C5...Heavy wear and spots, often damaged/repairs. C4...Many faults, frayed, damaged, spots. C3...Quite damaged, useful if covered up. C2...Has had very hard play, okay for battles scenes, etc. C1...Useful for parts only. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.14 --------------- From: BRubino316@aol.com Subject: Re: GI JOE miniseries Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 19:27:25 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-25 14:49:59 EDT, you write: << Actually, it did. It never made it to the Theaters because the Transformers movie did so awful. It originally was broken up into a 5 part miniseries, then released on video (or released on video first) but in either case, it was the end of the Sunbow cartoons, and definitely was shown on tv as a 5 part miniseries. >> It was also shown as a Sunday night movie in the LA area. My mother recorded it for me a long time ago. BR --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.15 --------------- From: BRubino316@aol.com Subject: Anyone know Larry Hynes? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Does anyone know how to get a hold of Larry Hynes? I bought some figures from him and still haven't gotten them. BR --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.16 --------------- From: "Danny" Subject: Trading cards, and maybee more Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:14:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, I was looking threw my stuff and found my my box of trading cards. Every once and awile a catch a bit of them here and their on the list, but I was wondering about some stuff. Any help in clearing questions up is gratefully accepted with thanks in advanced. First off I was wondering how hard they are to come by? I have a complete set of the Impel cards that cost me about ten or fifteen bucks that a card dealer put together. I also have about thirty packages of the Milton Bradely cards that are unopened, that I got as a gift a couple years ago. I like the look of the Milton Bradely ones because they are much like the original fig. packs. They have figs and vehicles with the traditional explosion for a background, and some scenes from the cartoon on them. Does anybody out their collect them? Does any body have a complete list of the Milton bradley cards? All I have is what is on the back of the packs. Does anybody know of any books that have some of the memorabilia listed that acompanied joes? What does every body think about trying to put a catolog of our own that could represent everything in the joe realm that we can find? It could be cool, theirs enough of us, we could do way better than one or two people trying to do it, and we got all the stuff if we combine our heads. oh well , I was just remebering why joes are so cool. danny b. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.17 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: Re: GI Joe Aliens Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:42:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:47 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Does anyone know anything about the Star Brigade aliens made in 1993? I'm >just curious to know if they are out in abundance, and also if they are >customizable. > >Thanks >dan >dcarber@tiac.net >dan@bdi.com > > If your intrested I know a guy who has Carcass(orange) & Lobotomax(Lt Green). Both figures are MOC. I'm not sure how much he wants for them but I know he's willing to sell them. Black Shadow For COBRA ........................For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.18 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: Re: Anyone know Larry Hynes? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:44:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:31 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know how to get a hold of Larry Hynes? I bought some figures >from him and still haven't gotten them. > >BR > > DutchDxn@aol.com <--Larry's Email Addy Black Shadow For COBRA ........................For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.19 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: GI Joe Aliens Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:06:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707290020.RAA14815@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707292141.OAA22604@lists1.best.com> At 5:47 PM -0400 7/29/97, Dan C. wrote: >Does anyone know anything about the Star Brigade aliens made in 1993? I'm >just curious to know if they are out in abundance, and also if they are >customizable. The Lunartix Aliens weren't out in stores very long before the G.I.Joe line was cancelled. To compound matters, in 1994 when they came out, was about the time that collecting MOC action figures started to become popular. As it is, it's probably easier to find the Lunartix aliens MOC than it is to find them loose. In adittion, while Hasbro really didn't make a lot of these figures, there's still some doubt in my mind as to how really "rare" these figures are. They're hard to find, but I think it also has to do with how many dealers have them hoarded MOC. But make no bones about it, they aren't exactly easy to find. And they're not customizable - no peg hole in back to take them apart. Which is a shame, since I'd love to make a blue Serpentor with six arms. :) -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.20 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Trading cards, and maybee more Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:06:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707300316.UAA01241@lists1.best.com> At 8:14 PM -0700 7/29/97, Danny wrote: > > Hey guys, I was looking threw my stuff and found my my box of trading >cards. Every once and awile a catch a bit of them here and their on the >list, but I was wondering about some stuff. Any help in clearing >questions up is gratefully accepted with thanks in advanced. First off I >was wondering how hard they are to come by? I have a complete set of the >Impel cards that cost me about ten or fifteen bucks that a card dealer put >together. I just bought my set for $15 a few months ago. Very cool set - a must have for any Joe collector. >I also have about thirty packages of the Milton Bradely cards >that are unopened, that I got as a gift a couple years ago. I like the >look of the Milton Bradely ones because they are much like the original >fig. packs. They have figs and vehicles with the traditional explosion for >a background, and some scenes from the cartoon on them. Does anybody out >their collect them? Does any body have a complete list of the Milton >bradley cards? All I have is what is on the back of the packs. The Milton Bradley cards are SO COOL. Extremely cool - the problem is that they're EXPENSIVE as all heck. Someone who's trying to complete his set told me that he's seen them sell for around $1 a CARD. I've only got 8 in my collection - and I found those at a flea market. I thought they were G.I.Joe phone cards. :) >Does >anybody know of any books that have some of the memorabilia listed that >acompanied joes? What does every body think about trying to put a catolog >of our own that could represent everything in the joe realm that we can >find? It could be cool, theirs enough of us, we could do way better than >one or two people trying to do it, and we got all the stuff if we combine >our heads. The problem with books and catalogs is that they're expensive to put together, expensive to print, expensive to distribute. Web pages, on the other hand, are cheap. :) -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.21 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Parts Lister Request Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 02:43:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all of those who signed up for Parts Lister (or those who want to), please e-mail me with your lists. My hard drive crashed on the 28th and have now just gotten back up to speed. A hard drive crash is one of those 'It'll never happen to me. It won't happen to me, it'll happen to someone else.' kinda things. But, we're all someone else to someone else. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.22 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: trading cards Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:23:43 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is good someone brought this up as I just purchased a bunch of the Impel cards ( a full box = opened ) still not a full set . I know the colation of the 30th aniversary set was TERRIBLE. what is anyones experience with making up Impel sets? Also, what are the Milton Bradley cards ? ( never heard of those ) are they the ones issued on blister cards circa 1984 ? ( I do remember seeing those on the store pegs but was not into Joe at the time -blasphemy..no ? ) I do need the following to complete my set: Impel #39, #159, #184 Joe 30th # 3, #10, #11, #36 and #47 I have LOTS of extras to trade, etc. so if anyone needs any... Al Swackhammer --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.23 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: Parts Lister Request Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:37:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 02:43 AM 7/30/97 -0700, you wrote: > But, we're all someone else to someone else. And, today is tomorrow's yesterday... -Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- "That's the problem with ninjas: they're never around when you need 'em, and when they are, they're never on your side." -G.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n237.24 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: Parts Lister Date: 30 Jul 97 06:22:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary W. DeVoe wrote: > Adam Casey wrote: >> But, we're all someone else to someone else. > > And, today is tomorrow's yesterday... Whoa...and here's another one for you: "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" Oh, sorry...thought this was a Simpsons koan thread... Peace, Weasel ..Catching up on 1.5 days of mail as his server SPLATTED once more... Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Why is that upgrades always involves so much downtime?" --Weasel --------------- END gijoe.v001.n237 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n238 -------------- 001 - "Dan C." - Re: GI Joe Aliens 002 - Michele Riggle - Re: GI Joe Aliens 004 - "Dan C." - Cartoon/Filecard question 005 - Adam Bernay - Re: Rock & Roll variation? 013 - Darren Cook - Re: Cartoon/Filecard question 019 - "Dan C." - Re: good week G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.1 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: GI Joe Aliens Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:33:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707300341.UAA13647@lists1.best.com> >If your intrested I know a guy who has Carcass(orange) & Lobotomax(Lt >Green). Both figures are MOC. I'm not sure how much he wants for them but I >know he's willing to sell them. Actually, I have all three but they're carded and since I haven't decided whether I want to be an 'open' or 'closed' collector, they're gonna stay sealed. Besides....the cards actually look GOOD for these three. I really like the design. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.2 --------------- From: Michele Riggle Subject: Re: GI Joe Aliens Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:08:20 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:33 AM 7/30/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>If your intrested I know a guy who has Carcass(orange) & Lobotomax(Lt >>Green). Both figures are MOC. I'm not sure how much he wants for them but I >>know he's willing to sell them. > >Actually, I have all three but they're carded and since I haven't decided >whether I want to be an 'open' or 'closed' collector, they're gonna stay >sealed. Besides....the cards actually look GOOD for these three. I really >like the design. > What does the filecard say on these three? Thanks, Gabe >dan >dcarber@tiac.net >dan@bdi.com > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.3 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: GI Joe Aliens Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:28:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707301510.IAA28969@lists1.best.com> >What does the filecard say on these three? They're packed away, but they say something to the effect that these three Lunatari aliens hate humaniods and are constantly looking for thier 'bounties'. I don't remember, but somtime i'll try to post it. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.4 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Cartoon/Filecard question Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:54:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I noticed that in the cartoon, Wetsuit and Letherneck were brothers....was it this way in the comic or filecard also? Was watching the cartoons...they really are so good!!! I forgot how awesome they are. There are so many corny lines, I love it!! I guess the king of corn is still serpentor, with his infamous "This, I command" at the end of every other sentence. It was such a great series. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.5 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Cartoon/Filecard question Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:48:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707301849.LAA27952@lists1.best.com> On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Dan C. wrote: > I noticed that in the cartoon, Wetsuit and Letherneck were brothers....was > it this way in the comic or filecard also? I don't recall *ANYONE*, *EVER* saying that Wetsuit and Leatherneck were brothers...they acted like them, but I don't recall that they actually were. In fact, I doubt it, since, in the ep where Wetsuit was going to be in a martial arts competition, several messengers came up to the group (where both Wetsuit and Leatherneck were a part of) yelling for "Mr. Forrest", and only Wetsuit (and Sgt Slaughter, who was trying to keep Wetsuit in line) answered. Adam Bernay --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.6 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Cartoon/Filecard question Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:58:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to my knowledge. They were never related. -----Original Message----- From: Dan C. [SMTP:dan@bdi.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 1997 2:54 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Cartoon/Filecard question I noticed that in the cartoon, Wetsuit and Letherneck were brothers....was it this way in the comic or filecard also? Was watching the cartoons...they really are so good!!! I forgot how awesome they are. There are so many corny lines, I love it!! I guess the king of corn is still serpentor, with his infamous "This, I command" at the end of every other sentence. It was such a great series. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.7 --------------- From: hz399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. J. Karlisle) Subject: cards Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:45:19 -0400 (EDT) just in case there are any 'cross collectors' out there, i have many extras of the transformer trading cards that i'd gladly trade for anyone's joes extras... e-mail if you happen to be interested. thanks, -Kj --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.8 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: new joes Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:56:05 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just got my new (August) issue of Tomarts action figure news today ( comic shop said they literaly went on the shelf five minutes before I grabbed it ).. It has a nice page of color photoes of the proposed 97 TRU releases with in and out of package shots. Here's hoping we actually see them this time......YO JOE !!!!!!!!!!! AL S, --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.9 --------------- From: Gabriel Schnerch Subject: good week Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:06:29 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I've been on the mailing list for a while now, but never tried posting before. But the last few days have been great, and I thought I would share my enthusiasm, as well as ask a couple of questions. First of all, there was Sunday. I haven't been to any comic conventions in quite some time, and it seems as though around here (in Manitoba, Canada) even though they're still called 'comic' conventions, they have as many people selling action figures as comics, which suited me just fine as with less focus on the comics lately, it's easy to find a number of 25 and 50 cent bins. I checked them out as usual, and though I couldn't find many regular Joe comics, I did come across issues 1-10 of G.I. Joe: Special Missions. WHY DIDN'T ANYONE MENTION HOW GREAT THESE ARE? I've only gotten around to reading 1-6, but they're great, I think the stories even far surpass some of my favourite stories from the regular series. Anyways, I also picked up a mint Cobra Commander for a decent price, since the guy seemed too pre-occupied in selling his slew of Tarkin wave POTF2 figs for $20 each. So, I was rather pleased as it was, but today was even better. The 'Barracks' vol.1-4 and the Oktober Guard fanzine that I ordered from Thomas Wheeler arrived today. These are amazing. If any Joe collectors on here haven't bought these yet, order them right away. I can't recommend them enough! Anyways, one last thing (sorry if this post is too long already). In the Barracks, he mentions a playset released in late 1982 called the Cobra Missile Command Headquarters, which came packaged with Cobra Commander, Officer and Trooper. Could anyone let me know how hard it is to find one of these. I imagine it's pretty rare. I did a search with various combinations on Dejanews, and the closest thing I could find was somebody else looking to buy it. Well, that's all for now :) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.10 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: Re: good week Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:42:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Anyways, one last thing (sorry if this post is too long already). In the >Barracks, he mentions a playset released in late 1982 called the Cobra >Missile Command Headquarters, which came packaged with Cobra Commander, >Officer and Trooper. Could anyone let me know how hard it is to find >one of these. I imagine it's pretty rare. I did a search with various >combinations on Dejanews, and the closest thing I could find was somebody >else looking to buy it. Well, that's all for now :) > > > Its one of the hardest US released pieces to get. It was made for Sears,by Hasbro in 82.The earliest releases of the set came with the first Cobra Commander with the different logo(see Eugene's site http://www.cyberpass.net/~yojoe/ for a picture) All of the other Sears exclusives are hard to find also especially the two Dreadnok sets(The Air patrol and Ground patrol) If anyone has an extra Air patrol set they want to sell or trade let me know. Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.11 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Rock & Roll variation? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:26:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just received a couple straight-armed Rock & Rolls, and I've been comparing them, to each other, and to my swivel-version, and have noticed something strange.... My swivel, and one straight arm have dark-brownish facial paint (eyes, eyebrows). Typical. However, my OTHER straight-arm has an "olive-drab"-type paint color for his eyes and eyebrows. This has not been "done" since being bought, it is a factory paint job.... Any thoughts or knowledge on this? Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.12 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Rock & Roll variation? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:20:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707310523.WAA01193@lists1.best.com> At 12:26 AM -0500 7/31/97, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: >I've just received a couple straight-armed Rock & Rolls, and I've been >comparing them, to each other, and to my swivel-version, and have noticed >something strange.... > >My swivel, and one straight arm have dark-brownish facial paint (eyes, >eyebrows). Typical. > >However, my OTHER straight-arm has an "olive-drab"-type paint color for his >eyes and eyebrows. This has not been "done" since being bought, it is a >factory paint job.... > >Any thoughts or knowledge on this? I checked my Rock & Rolls. All three had the same brown eyes and eyebrows. If you're convinced about it, try getting scans or pictures of them and I'll put them up on my website. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.13 --------------- From: Darren Cook Subject: StormShadow FT Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:50:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit got one '84( 1st series ) in a trade tonight... he is very cherry (White) bow string is split, and missing his nunchucks. I would very Much like to trade this for two ( 2 ) Baroness figures I Don't care about condition as long as torso has the red Cobra symbol and head is intact. These will be used for customs... I might also be persuaded to trow in somthing to "sweeten" the deal also need Mortal Kombat Goro Figures as well. Contact me at COOKSTER@WORLDNET.ATT.NET --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.14 --------------- From: elvis@energy.it Subject: Off again! Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:15:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello soldiers! Just wanted to inform every guy who writes to me that I am leaving to the seaside this night and will be back on the 26th. Therefore, all the people who are waiting for drawings, photocopies and other stuff from me should be patient till then! In the meantime, thank you all great guys for everything and have a great summertime!!!! Simona, the It Baroness --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.15 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: off subject / unidentifiable vehicle Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:03:37 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yo Joes.. Hopefully someone out there in cyberspace can help me identify a vehicle that was in a bnunch of stuff I got from a Flea Market dealer I know. It is definately for 3 3/4" figures. Copyright Hasbro 1988 also ccopyright TAKARA 1988. made in china. It is purple, ppink and blue ; shaped like a scarab with guns on the rear that 'pulse' when rolled forward.these can also be moved to the front for sta tionary positioning ( not sure if there would have originally been four ). the front canopy hinges upwards scissor-like and the driver appears to have lain flat.there are no markings on this to identify what toy line it might be from. It was in a box of B EAT joe items I also got ( to include a hammerhead, avalanche, X30 conquest ). If anyone remembers something like this then please let me know as I definately can't place it , and since it is HASBRO would like to add it to my collection ( already have but you know what I mean ), Thanks..? Al S. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.16 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Rock & Roll variation? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:30:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:26 AM 7/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >However, my OTHER straight-arm has an "olive-drab"-type paint color for his >eyes and eyebrows. This has not been "done" since being bought, it is a >factory paint job.... > >Any thoughts or knowledge on this? Very interesting. Both my R n' Rolls have brown eyebrows/eyes. Who knows, maybe you have one of the first produced Rock n' Roll straight-arms?! :) -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.17 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: new joes Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:34:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:56 PM 7/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >I just got my new (August) issue of Tomarts action figure news today ( comic shop said they literaly went on the shelf five minutes before I grabbed it ).. >It has a nice page of color photoes of the proposed 97 TRU releases with in and out of package shots. >Here's hoping we actually see them this time......YO JOE !!!!!!!!!!! > >AL S, Did I see the same issue of Tomart's? :) I saw a page of photographs of the items loose w/ accessories, and some pictures of cardbacks/packages, but no items actually carded. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.18 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Cartoon/Filecard question Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:28:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707301849.LAA27952@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707302148.OAA14435@lists1.best.com> >I don't recall *ANYONE*, *EVER* saying that Wetsuit and Leatherneck were >brothers...they acted like them, but I don't recall that they actually >were. In fact, I doubt it, since, in the ep where Wetsuit was going to be >in a martial arts competition, several messengers came up to the group >(where both Wetsuit and Leatherneck were a part of) yelling for "Mr. >Forrest", and only Wetsuit (and Sgt Slaughter, who was trying to keep >Wetsuit in line) answered. Hmmm....the episode was "The Most Dangerous Game" - the one where Shipwreck, Lifeline and Dialtone were promoted to Colonel, and more or less were leading GI-Joe......Wetsuit and Leatherneck were bickering back in forth, and about to fight and Beachhead said to them "Knock it off.....you two are supposed to be brothers" I also remember that there was a couple other instances of things like this happening, but I never got a Leatherneck figure to check the filecard, and the cartoon is ambiguous in certain areas. Just was wondering if anyone knew for sure. And the martial arts competition? My brother has an auto repair shop...if a bunch of reporters interviewing mechanics for some competition came up to a group where my brother and I and a few other people were standing yelling "Mr. Carber, Mr. Carber" I wouldn't answer either. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n238.19 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: good week Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:36:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707310406.VAA20926@lists1.best.com> >So, I was rather pleased as it was, but today was even better. The >'Barracks' vol.1-4 and the Oktober Guard fanzine that I ordered from >Thomas Wheeler arrived today. These are amazing. If any Joe collectors on >here haven't bought these yet, order them right away. I can't recommend >them enough! Everybody says how great they are, and I'm sure they're fantastic....however I have a difficult time forcing myself to buy books when I know I could add to my collection instead :) >Barracks, he mentions a playset released in late 1982 called the Cobra >Missile Command Headquarters, which came packaged with Cobra Commander, >Officer and Trooper. Could anyone let me know how hard it is to find >one of these. I imagine it's pretty rare. I did a search with various This is probably harder to find than a Silver Padded Grand Slam or boxed Viper/Joe gliders. It was a limited item made for and sold solely by Sears. I was actually fortunate to have one of these when it came out. It was completely made out of cardboard, and wasn't very sturdy. It came out when there were swivel armed figures, and I remember feeling gyped because the toy looked so cool but was not plastic, and the figures were all straight armed. It was still a pretty cool thing though, and I would love to find one also. I'd expect that if you were to find it, the person selling would be asking around the $200 range. Most likely a lot more. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- END gijoe.v001.n238 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n239 -------------- 001 - Adam Bernay - Re: Cartoon/Filecard question 003 - "Travis L. Rodgers" - variations 005 - joe1635@juno.com (Joe M G - Leatherneck and Wet-Suit Brothers??? 006 - rktmoose@ix.netcom.com - Re: new joes 007 - Adam Casey - Re: variations 011 - "Dan C." - Re: new joes 012 - "Dan C." - Re: 'books' 013 - "Corey D. Stinson" - Re: new joes 015 - "Dan C." - DIC Cartoons G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.1 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Cartoon/Filecard question Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199707311323.GAA15737@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Dan C. wrote: > Hmmm....the episode was "The Most Dangerous Game" - the one where > Shipwreck, Lifeline and Dialtone were promoted to Colonel, and more or less > were leading GI-Joe......Wetsuit and Leatherneck were bickering back in > forth, and about to fight and Beachhead said to them "Knock it off.....you > two are supposed to be brothers" I think this was either a grandious screw-up or he meant "brothers-in-arms" or in the naval service (Marines and Navy make up the naval service). > Just was wondering if anyone knew for sure. And the martial arts > competition? My brother has an auto repair shop...if a bunch > of reporters interviewing mechanics for some competition came up to a group > where my brother and I and a few other people were standing yelling "Mr. > Carber, Mr. Carber" I wouldn't answer either. If it was obvious that's what it was, I'd agree with you...but all it was was a kid, no uniform, no badge, nothing to indicate anything about who he was working for... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.2 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Cartoon/Filecard question Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:27:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707311323.GAA15737@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707311549.IAA11184@lists1.best.com> >I think this was either a grandious screw-up or he meant >"brothers-in-arms" or in the naval service (Marines and Navy make up the >naval service). This could be true too.....I actually assumed that they were brothers, because the cartoon made it seem like there was more than a mere friendship between the two, which could have been just a fierce competition between the two. It certainly could be possible that in the cartoon they are brothers, and in the comic/filecards they aren't. In the cartoon, Spirit and Storm Shadow were mortal enemies, with some kind of mysterious 'link' between the two. Don't know if the comic portrayed that, and I know that the comic and cartoon differed on many issues. (duke & scarlett, Sgt Slaughter, Serpentor, Cobra-La, etc) This could very possibly be one of those cartoon/comic diferences. I'll keep watching the episodes and really look for a definitive yes or no answer. Speaking of brothers, what ever happened to the Tomax Xamot twins in the comic? Also, if anyone knows, what ever happened to Major Bludd? dan dcarber@bdi.com dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.3 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Rock & Roll variation? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:59:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm also looking at his boots now, and they are a different color (they're a duller brown...). I'll try and get a scan of this figure, and send to Eugene..... Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Eugene > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: Rock & Roll variation? > Date: Thursday, July 31, 1997 1:20 AM > > At 12:26 AM -0500 7/31/97, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > >I've just received a couple straight-armed Rock & Rolls, and I've been > >comparing them, to each other, and to my swivel-version, and have noticed > >something strange.... > > > >My swivel, and one straight arm have dark-brownish facial paint (eyes, > >eyebrows). Typical. > > > >However, my OTHER straight-arm has an "olive-drab"-type paint color for his > >eyes and eyebrows. This has not been "done" since being bought, it is a > >factory paint job.... > > > >Any thoughts or knowledge on this? > > I checked my Rock & Rolls. All three had the same brown eyes and eyebrows. > > If you're convinced about it, try getting scans or pictures of them and > I'll put them up on my website. > > > -Eugene > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | > | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | > | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | > | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.4 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: variations Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:58:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707311857.LAA04442@lists1.best.com> At 01:59 PM 7/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'm also looking at his boots now, and they are a different color (they're >a duller brown...). I'll try and get a scan of this figure, and send to >Eugene..... Speaking of variations, I was scrounging thru my box of broken figures, and tried to piece together a Recondo but found that I have a pair of legs, but each leg is a different color camo, and the pattern is even different....was there a variant for Recondo too? If so, were there any other differences with him? Also, I have a few blowtorch weapons....one of his flamethrowers is a very hard plastic, the other is a very soft plastic, and 3rd is a mix between the 2. Anyone else have this variation as well? Or, any clue as to why its this way? dan dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.5 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Leatherneck and Wet-Suit Brothers??? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:52:38 EDT I looked through my filecard collection, and have two versions of Leatherneck and Wet-Suit. This is directly from the cards Leatherneck File Name:Metzgar, Wendell A. Wet-Suit File Name:Forrest, Brian M. Hope this helps Joe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.6 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: new joes Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:51:53 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 07/31/97 07:34:41 you wrote: > >At 09:56 PM 7/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >>I just got my new (August) issue of Tomarts action figure news today ( >comic shop said they literaly went on the shelf five minutes before I >grabbed it ).. >>It has a nice page of color photoes of the proposed 97 TRU releases with in >and out of package shots. >>Here's hoping we actually see them this time......YO JOE !!!!!!!!!!! >> >>AL S, > > Did I see the same issue of Tomart's? :) I saw a page of photographs of >the items loose w/ accessories, and some pictures of cardbacks/packages, but >no items actually carded. > >-- > _________________________________________________________________________ >// Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ >\\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // >// Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ >\\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // >// World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ >\\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // >// DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ >\\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// >// No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ >\\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// > > > OK.. Corey is correct. it does show the Figures ( nice ) and sample packaging but no figures on the cards just in front of them. also, it does show the vehicle boxes. I guess I got excited over seeing a GOOD photo spread of these and exagerated... YO JOE !!!! AL --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.7 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: new joes Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:23:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707312352.QAA21294@lists1.best.com> So, when do we see pictures of the new figures on the web? adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.8 --------------- From: Michele Riggle Subject: I'm confused Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:58:04 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In the comic there are a couple of nagging little mistakes such as Scarlett's eye color from blue to green, same with Stormy's. Also, Gen. Hollingswoth changing from African american to white. Same with Payload! Does anyone know why this happened?n It's just those things that really bug me. Also, in the 94' insert that came with vehicles in the Street Fighter section, it shows Ryu with Quickkicks head and Ken with Decimater's(?). Just thought I'd pass that along. Thanks, gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.9 --------------- From: hz399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. J. Karlisle) Subject: 'books' Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:33:44 -0400 (EDT) moving items around my house the past month or so i uncovered my stash of joe 'books'. wondered if anyone else got into these as a kid? (i used to read _alot_). there were six 'novel' type paperbacks and 20 'choose your own adventure' style ones. the six novels typically featured '86 joes, i think, like beachhead, crazylegs, psyche out, outback, leatherneck, hawk... etc, with a few 'mainstream' characters. the 'choose' books were very cool in that you were actually a joe yourself (though a 'made up' one). depending on the story you would be a bomb expert or a pilot or covert ops. they were not written for 'kids' so much either. well, they were, but they were pretty well written, similar to the stories in the comics... -Kj --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.10 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: variations Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:36:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707311857.LAA04442@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199707311952.MAA00760@lists1.best.com> At 3:58 PM -0400 7/31/97, Dan C. wrote: > >Speaking of variations, I was scrounging thru my box of broken figures, and >tried to piece together a Recondo but found that I have a pair of legs, but >each leg is a different color camo, and the pattern is even >different....was there a variant for Recondo too? If so, were there any >other differences with him? Yup, there's the Recondo variant on the legs. Found and confirmed by members on this list - I've put images of the two up on my website. >Also, I have a few blowtorch weapons....one of his flamethrowers is a very >hard plastic, the other is a very soft plastic, and 3rd is a mix between >the 2. Anyone else have this variation as well? Or, any clue as to why >its this way? I've noticed this, too. I don't know if it's a variant, per se - it might just be a change in the plastic as it gets older. But I'm not certain - I'll have to check my figs later. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.11 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: new joes Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:46:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199707312352.QAA21294@lists1.best.com> >OK.. Corey is correct. it does show the Figures ( nice ) and sample packaging >but no figures on the cards just in front of them. also, it does show the >vehicle boxes. I guess I got excited over seeing a GOOD photo spread of these >and exagerated... So, what are the odds of these pictures being scanned in? If thats not possible, how does one get on this paper newsletter or whatever it is? dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.12 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: 'books' Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:49:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708010333.UAA07145@lists1.best.com> >the 'choose' books were very cool in that you were actually a joe yourself >(though a 'made up' one). depending on the story you would be a bomb expert >or a pilot or covert ops. they were not written for 'kids' so much either. >well, they were, but they were pretty well written, similar to the stories >in the comics... I was fortunate to pick one of the "Find your Fate" adventure books up at a flea market. It was something about Dr. Mindbender, can't remember the title. On an interesting note, it was writting by a fledgling writer by the name of R.L. Stine. Doesn't that just give you goosebumps? dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.13 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: new joes Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 07:58:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:46 AM 8/1/97 -0400, you wrote: > >So, when do we see pictures of the new figures on the web? > >adamcas@ipass.net > >So, what are the odds of these pictures being scanned in? If thats not >possible, how does one get on this paper newsletter or whatever it is? > >dan >dcarber@tiac.net >dan@bdi.com Okay, I'll scan these in this evening and have a "package" of the pictures available tomorrow for anyone who wants them. You can email me now to get on the receive list. I've decided not to post these to my web site until Tomart's Aug issue gets out of normal circulation (ie the end of the month) because I don't really want to eat into their magazine sales by "stealing" photos from their magazine. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.14 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: new joes Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:51:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708011259.FAA10061@lists1.best.com> > Okay, I'll scan these in this evening and have a "package" of the >pictures available tomorrow for anyone who wants them. You can email me now >to get on the receive list. I've decided not to post these to my web site >until Tomart's Aug issue gets out of normal circulation (ie the end of the >month) because I don't really want to eat into their magazine sales by >"stealing" photos from their magazine. I would love to get a package of these pics. I would really appreciate it. ALso, if you could cc them to dcarber@tiac.net that would be awesome. (tiac.net is my home email) Thanks a bunch!!! dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n239.15 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: DIC Cartoons Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 11:58:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199707311952.MAA00760@lists1.best.com> <199707311857.LAA04442@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199708010629.XAA27382@lists1.best.com> Last night I saw a DIC episode of GI-Joe....it was so CORNY!!! It was called BIOK. It was terrible. There was one part that made me laugh. A quick synopsis - Destro created an artificial life form on the computer named BIOK. He was able to control computers to do whatever he wanted. He ended up developing his own personality. Anyway, BIOK shorted out some Joe computers or something (didn't pay too much attention to it) and told the Joes that they would pay. Then he added at the end "And tell Slipstream that I don't like him." (don't know the real name he used though) BIOK sounded like a cross between KIT from Knight Rider and Max Headroom. I wish I had some nacho's to go with all that cheese. I expected the little furry alian from the Punky Brewster cartoon to come stumbling into CC & Destros control room any moment. Speaking of Punky cartoon, I was in a Sam Goody the other night, looking at videos and saw a Punky Brewster cartoon BOXED SET for sale. *boggle* Why doesn't Joe warrant a set like that? I was pretty bitter. Anyway, the DIC cartoons are ok, if you're STARVING for Joe cartoons and are unable to see or hear them. They are of such obviously lower quality than Sunbow its heartbreaking. Just thought I'd share, take it as you like. dan dan@bdi.com dcarber@tiac.net --------------- END gijoe.v001.n239 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n240 -------------- 001 - "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Home State Arizona Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 14:51:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Yo Joes: According to the filecards, do any 'Joes hail from the state of Arizona? Thanks! -Gary ******************************** The Southwest Oncology Group Solid Tumor Repository ******************************** Gary W. DeVoe devoegw@ucbeh.san.uc.edu The University of Cincinnati 231 Bethesda Avenue Cincinnati, Ohio 45267-0529 P:(513) 558-4675 F:(513) 558-2289 "I enjoyed my youth so much that I decided to bring it along with me..." -Garret Cogan ******************************** --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.2 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Chinese Joes Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 18:24:59 EDT I was at an antique mall, and found Major Bludd, Dial Tone, Destro, and Barricade(Tiger Force Roadblock) Chinese Joes for $20, MOC. I was wondering if this is a good price and if anyone was intrested. I am making a trip up there in a couple days. Just curious. Joe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.3 --------------- From: Joey Smith Subject: Review Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:30:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708011552.IAA07690@lists1.best.com> Ok, guys, I haven't sen one posted yet, so I'm gonna go ahead and give a mini-review of the pictures of the rereleases in Tomart's mag. I'm not sure how many list members get Tomart's so I thought this might be of use: First off, I was excited and impressed, to say the least. It's obvious that some time and effort has been placed into these figures. The paint schemes are detailed, consistent, and relevant to the character. In other words, so far, no neon colors. So, without any further adieu; The three-pack with Snake Eyes, Stormy, and Lady Jaye (I think it's call the "Espionage" set or something). Snakes is version two, looks to have the same accessories with molded accessories detailed in gray. Looks very cool to me. His wolf Timber is in correct proportion, unlike the misleading DeSimoine's photo. Also, Timber looks to have a better paint job than the original, with brown detailing. Stormy is version one, with arm bands, chest-sash, and calf-wraps in a light blue type color. In his torso and upper legs and arms, black paint details are supposed to simulate camouflage. He looks to have all his original accessories, and is displayed with at least one sai. BUT, Lady Jaye is the prize of this three pack. She has a full body paint job of urban camo, and it looks very cool! The arctic three pack looks awesome as well. The figures look very similar to their original versions, except a slight bit of gray snow-looking camo pattern has been added to their molded white color scheme. It also looks as though they have their exact same weapons. So far, so good. The "Cobra Command" three pack was very nicely done as well. CC himself, with silver face shield, has a darker blue molding with plenty of slick red detailing. To me, Destro looked exactly the same as his first version, fine with me. Baroness is quite lovely. Her leg armor, and other parts of her are colored differently that the rest of her. Her over all scheme is dark blue and black. Red detailing sets off this character quite nicely. I might venture to say that she looks a bit better than her original version. (Can you believe it?!) The Slugger has a somewhat rusty camo coloring to it, and Gung Ho, v1 looks to be similarly colored. The photo was so small, it's hard to tell. The only other item that was pictured large enough for me to review was the 8-pack. And here is where I think some controversy might come. First off, let me say that the box art was something to behold. For those of you that love the original guys, you'll be hanging on to this box. It has the GI Joe print "Stars and Stripes Forever" that was offered as a premium as those years ago. The set comes with a small diorama-like plot of land, complete with a flag raising feature. Let me try to give a figure-by-figure review. Scarlet: Very nice, darker versions of the same colors of her original uniform, posed with a cross-bow. Breaker: Black hair and beard, NO HELMET, head-set is on his bare head. His upper body is a tan color while his lower body is camo green. His is posed with a weapon. Stalker: Pretty much the same as original, camo pattern looks a bit more detailed. Zap:Upper body and lower body colored similarly to Breaker's, different backpack than original Zap. Short Fuse:Hard to tell much with this particular photo, but he DOES come with a visor! Flash:Tan pads instead of orange, same accessories, NO VISOR! Snake Eyes:Gray detailing of molded accessories, goggles painted gray. Rock-N-Roll: No helmet, funky green camo pattern on upper torso body, not duplicated on lower body, looks to have a different weapon than original R-N-R. In all (sorry this is such a long post), I felt the originals were respectfully repainted, it just seemed weird seeing them so differently from their original versions. In closing, the box art for all the products looked great. And here's my disclaimer: all products reviewed are CONCEPT DISPLAY products. Coloring, accessories, and character choices may be different when this stuff hits the shelves. All in all, I am pretty excited, I never had six of the nine figures in the three packs, so that will be cool to me. Um, Yo Joe. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.4 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Chinese Joes Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:37:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:24 PM 8/1/97 EDT, you wrote: >I was at an antique mall, and found Major Bludd, Dial Tone, Destro, and >Barricade(Tiger Force Roadblock) Chinese Joes for $20, MOC. I was >wondering if this is a good price and if anyone was intrested. I am >making a trip up there in a couple days. Just curious. > >Joe The Chinese Major Bludd is defintely worth having, as he's an original (frankenstein from other parts, but still original). The rest are neat too, however, $20 is quite a bit. I've seen them for far less several times. Defintely check out a current issue of Toy Shop before getting these for $20 ea. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.5 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Chinese Joes Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 18:37:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can get them at a flea Market here for $10. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Corey D. Stinson > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: Chinese Joes > Date: Friday, August 01, 1997 5:37 PM > > At 06:24 PM 8/1/97 EDT, you wrote: > >I was at an antique mall, and found Major Bludd, Dial Tone, Destro, and > >Barricade(Tiger Force Roadblock) Chinese Joes for $20, MOC. I was > >wondering if this is a good price and if anyone was intrested. I am > >making a trip up there in a couple days. Just curious. > > > >Joe > > The Chinese Major Bludd is defintely worth having, as he's an original > (frankenstein from other parts, but still original). The rest are neat too, > however, $20 is quite a bit. I've seen them for far less several times. > Defintely check out a current issue of Toy Shop before getting these for $20 ea. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________________ > // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ > \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // > // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ > \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // > // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ > \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // > // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ > \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// > // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ > \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.6 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Home State Arizona Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:25:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mainframe is from Phoenix, and Armadillo (Rolling Thunder Driver) is from Fort Huachuca. Also, I believe Airborne is from the Navaho Reservation there. I only have his Canadian file card which says he is from Quebec. -----Original Message----- From: Gary W. DeVoe [SMTP:Gary.DeVoe@UC.Edu] Sent: Friday, August 01, 1997 2:52 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Home State Arizona Yo Joes: According to the filecards, do any 'Joes hail from the state of Arizona? Thanks! -Gary ******************************** The Southwest Oncology Group Solid Tumor Repository ******************************** Gary W. DeVoe devoegw@ucbeh.san.uc.edu The University of Cincinnati 231 Bethesda Avenue Cincinnati, Ohio 45267-0529 P:(513) 558-4675 F:(513) 558-2289 "I enjoyed my youth so much that I decided to bring it along with me..." -Garret Cogan ******************************** --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.7 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Tomart pictures Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 20:36:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Heya, For those of you waiting to get scanned pictured from Tomart's from me, you'll need to wait a bit longer. The disk I brought home tonight had data errors (don't EVEN get me started on floppy disks). If it doesn't end up reading on my work computer we can all thank Kinko's for having the world's junkiest computers, then I'm washing my hands of it. Grr!@#$ -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.8 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Tomart pictures Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:50:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Say it ain't so!!!!!! Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Corey D. Stinson > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Tomart pictures > Date: Friday, August 01, 1997 8:36 PM > > Heya, > > For those of you waiting to get scanned pictured from Tomart's from me, > you'll need to wait a bit longer. The disk I brought home tonight had data > errors (don't EVEN get me started on floppy disks). If it doesn't end up > reading on my work computer we can all thank Kinko's for having the world's > junkiest computers, then I'm washing my hands of it. Grr!@#$ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________________ > // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ > \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // > // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ > \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // > // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ > \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // > // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ > \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// > // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ > \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.9 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: Re: Tomart pictures Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 22:12:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:50 PM 8/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Say it ain't so!!!!!! > >Travis L. Rodgers >trodger@arkansas.net >http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > >---------- >> From: Corey D. Stinson >> To: gijoe@lists.best.com >> Subject: Tomart pictures >> Date: Friday, August 01, 1997 8:36 PM >> >> Heya, >> >> For those of you waiting to get scanned pictured from Tomart's from >me, >> you'll need to wait a bit longer. The disk I brought home tonight had >data >> errors (don't EVEN get me started on floppy disks). If it doesn't end up >> reading on my work computer we can all thank Kinko's for having the >world's >> junkiest computers, then I'm washing my hands of it. Grr!@#$ If Cory can't get the disk to work I'll scan the pics in as soon as I get my issue of Tomart's. Dwayne > For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.10 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: The ultimate evil is the Ignorance of the people. Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 00:24:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was at a local antique/collectable shop today when I say a 30th aniv. 12" joe C9+ I thought Cool untill I looked at the tag. It read, 60s GI*JOE MIB RARE $400. Also at the same store was a Cobra Comander, with a Cobra Dictator head, with the Dictator's gold mask painted red. It was marked RARE MAIL-IN GI*JOE HOODLESS COBRA COMANDER $32. This made me think that ppl that own these shops are getting enuff knowlage to realize that Joes are becoming popular again but arent smart enought to relize what they really have. This is a dangerious combination. On a different note. I recently purchased a bubblebath bottle in the shape of Bazooka. It is date stamped on the bottom 1986. I can't find anything in any reference books about it. I was wondering if anyone knew if any other soap/bubble-bath containers were made in the shape of GI*Joe/Cobra figures? last but not least my want/trade page of my website is almost compleat. The page URL is: http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/hywind.html Thanks Black Shadow For COBRA ........................For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. Http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ <--My Website --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.11 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: The ultimate evil is the Ignorance of the people. Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 00:36:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just this week I saw a Storm Shadow (v. 2) and a Sgt. Slaughter bubble bath container.... Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Black Shadow > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: The ultimate evil is the Ignorance of the people. > Date: Saturday, August 02, 1997 12:24 AM > > I was at a local antique/collectable shop today when I say a 30th aniv. 12" > joe C9+ I thought Cool untill I looked at the tag. It read, 60s GI*JOE MIB > RARE $400. Also at the same store was a Cobra Comander, with a Cobra > Dictator head, with the Dictator's gold mask painted red. It was marked > RARE MAIL-IN GI*JOE HOODLESS COBRA COMANDER $32. This made me think that > ppl that own these shops are getting enuff knowlage to realize that Joes are > becoming popular again but arent smart enought to relize what they really > have. This is a dangerious combination. > > On a different note. I recently purchased a bubblebath bottle in the shape > of Bazooka. It is date stamped on the bottom 1986. I can't find anything > in any reference books about it. I was wondering if anyone knew if any > other soap/bubble-bath containers were made in the shape of GI*Joe/Cobra > figures? > > last but not least my want/trade page of my website is almost compleat. The > page URL is: http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/hywind.html > > Thanks > Black Shadow > For COBRA ........................For the > future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > COBRA > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ > email tele_vipers@hotmail.com > -- > For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find > ourselves. > Http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ <--My Website --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.12 --------------- From: BRubino316@aol.com Subject: Dr. Mindbender Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 04:30:13 -0400 (EDT) I have a question for you all; I got a carded Dr. Mindbender today, I realized that he was missing the cape. On the face of the card it listed his accessories and the cape was not listed. Now I remember, that when I had him as a kid, he had a cape. It also shows him with a cape in the collector's books. Is this a packaging error, or did they change the accessories somewhere in the figures run? Thanks, BR --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.13 --------------- From: BRubino316@aol.com Subject: Re: Chinese Joes Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 04:37:47 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-01 20:36:28 EDT, you write: << I was at an antique mall, and found Major Bludd, Dial Tone, Destro, and Barricade(Tiger Force Roadblock) Chinese Joes for $20, MOC. I was wondering if this is a good price and if anyone was intrested. >> I don't think it is. I got: Maj. Bludd, Dial Tone, & Destro for $3 and all are MOC. Try looking on the web before you jump on these. Good luck, BR --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.14 --------------- From: Eddie Beiles Subject: comics Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 04:50:37 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708020837.BAA20528@lists1.best.com> Yeah, I know, not exactly 3 and 3/4 Joes, but.... While at the local comic store picking up the new books I needed, I went through their pitiful collection of old Joe comics...well, out of the ten or so books I saw, I was able to get...issue 26! I couldn't believe this. Never in a million years did I think I would find that issue (Origin of Snake Eyes, Part I) because of its popularity. I guess a million years has now been reduced to 13 years, 3 months (since its original release). Finding this almost made up for that fact that this store was selling a Star Wars figure I needed (Tarkin) for twelve bucks. Also flipped through Tomart's magazine and looked at the pics of the new joes. All I can say is: BRING THEM ON! I just hope the comic stores don't try to scalp them....but we all know they will. Also, saw a 3 pack of the DIC GI JOE cartoons at TRU....one of them was Chunnel...I avoided them like the plauge.... Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.15 --------------- From: James McFadden Subject: Digest gijoe.v001.n239 -Reply Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 06:11:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >In the comic there are a couple of nagging little >mistakes such as Scarlett's eye color from blue to >green, same with Stormy's. Also, Gen. Hollingswoth >changing from African american to white. Same with >Payload! Does anyone know why this happened? It 's >just those things that really bug me. The eye color thing is no big deal. Colorists always change eye color back and forth. The Hollingsworth thing is a major screw-up. When he first appears in issue #53, he's a black army general. Or is he? The issue shows Hawk, Gen. H., a Marine Gen. and a Navy Admiral. If you look at Gen H's uniform, besides the color, his hat is a US Air F orce hat. So, somebody miscolored his uniform. It makes sense that he's in the AF, since the other three branches are already there. In his next appearance, he's a white AF general! He even has a AF jet as a mobile headquarters. Then, later on, and for most of his appearances, he's a black Army general. The odd thing is that no letter page mentions the mistake. JMM --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n240.16 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Dr. Mindbender Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 08:45:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:30 AM 8/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >I have a question for you all; I got a carded Dr. Mindbender today, I >realized that he was missing the cape. On the face of the card it listed his >accessories and the cape was not listed. >Now I remember, that when I had him as a kid, he had a cape. It also shows >him with a cape in the collector's books. >Is this a packaging error, or did they change the accessories somewhere in >the figures run? > >Thanks, >BR Bizzare! My original Mindbender had a cape, and several other Mindbender's I have around all have a cape too. I don't remember if the package listed the cape as an accessory though. Perhaps you have a production-error rarity there? -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- END gijoe.v001.n240 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n241 -------------- 001 - joe1635@juno.com (Joe M G - Carded Figs 002 - "Corey D. Stinson" - Re: Carded Figs 006 - Adam Casey Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 18:51:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:15 PM 8/2/97 EDT, you wrote: > >So, I am curious. How many people have carded Joes that they >"collecting" for that rainy day. And is anyone else just buying ONE of >each of the new GI Joe releases? How many can you play with? > >Joe I open everything, and agree, that (at least for me) there isn't much fun in keeping things in the package. The thrill for me with GI Joe early on was playing with those way cool accessories, posing the figure, and displaying the figures in poses and battle scenes. Battle scenes aren't much fun with carded figures. As neato-keen as figure packaging is today I still can't see buying figures just to look at them MOC. I understand the feeling that the packaging is sometimes so neat that you hate to rip it open. I still open mine though. I just feel that I really don't experience the fun of a toy unless I've opened it and played with it, even if just a tiny bit. If you're a collector and stuck in a dilemma on this issue first ask yourself: are you collecting for an investment or as a hobby? Your answer to that question should dictate whether you open your figures or not. Now, if you're a hobbiest and still can't bring yourself to open those nifty looking packages here are some things you can do: - buy two of everything... not very practical, takes up EVEN MORE room, gets pretty expensive, leaves less for other people, sometimes not feasible for rarities. - take photosgraphs of your stuff MOC then open it. You can look at the photos later for reference or just to reminicse(sp?) over the item when it was new. (Not *quite* the same, I know!) Some collectors just prefer to collect items in the package because they enjoy the packaging that much, and I respect that. To each his own! There are some conditions where you might not want to open an item because the packaging is really the collectible. For example, if tomorrow I bought a Special Edition POTF2 Luke Jedi there's no way I'd open it even if I paid no more than $10 for it. The *collectible* part of this item is the packaging. I already have an opened Luke Jedi, or if I didn't I could walk to Wal-Mart and get one for $5, so opening this item wouldn't be a good idea. I doubt I'll be buying two of each GI Joe re-intro item this fall because I don't have that much $$$ to burn. However, I might buy two of the Stars & Stripes sets since I expect the packaging to be very nice for that item. One to open, one to leave in package. Who knows though? I'm the guy that opens everything (MOC foriegn Joes, Convention exclusives, all POTF2, etc.) I might get crazy. :) -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.3 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:57:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > So, I am curious. How many people have carded Joes that they > "collecting" for that rainy day. And is anyone else just buying ONE of > each of the new GI Joe releases? How many can you play with? I agree completely. I don't understand the whole "carded" collection thing one bit. I know many people prefer to collect this way...but how boring!!! I have all my figures very nicely displayed, on stands, w/ all their accessories....and even the few carded figures I come across...I open!!! I also collect NFL Corinthian Headliners, and open every one...even the ones that I pay $4 for, and sell for $15 or so on the internet....I just don't see the benefits of keeping carded figures. And displaying carded figures is so unattractive..... Here's to OPEN FIGURES!!!!!!! Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.4 --------------- From: BRubino316@aol.com Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 21:11:35 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-02 20:52:48 EDT, you write: << So, I am curious. How many people have carded Joes that they "collecting" for that rainy day. And is anyone else just buying ONE of each of the new GI Joe releases? How many can you play with? >> I collect carded figures, but I am not in it for the profit. I enjoy the art on the cards, the pictures on the back, and being able t look at the file cards. There may be a time when I open them up, but I am not sure. If there is a time when I want to play with them, I will buy loose figures. BR --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.5 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:19:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708022316.QAA08082@lists1.best.com> At 7:15 PM -0400 8/2/97, Joe M Gallagher wrote: >So, I am curious. How many people have carded Joes that they >"collecting" for that rainy day. And is anyone else just buying ONE of >each of the new GI Joe releases? How many can you play with? Okee doke. I'll be the defender of collecting carded figs. :) The artwork is especially key - the card art for G.I.Joe figures is INCREDIBLE. Compare the artwork of these figures to the typical card art on figures today - like Spawn, Total Justice, Batman - where the logo is everything and they have little or no card art. I've started collecting complete cardbacks in good condition, because 1) it puts a dent in the number of filecards I need and 2) because it's cheaper to collect the artwork without the figure and bubble on there. Next, there's a sense of nostalgia to these things. When people see my carded swivel-arm Rock N Roll, I point to it and say, "That was the first G.I.Joe figure I ever got. I got mine in 1983 at a Mervyn's store in Cypress, California." The figure on my wall that gets people really excited, though, is the 1986 Hawk. "Hey, I remember that guy in the cartoons!" Lastly, carded figures are the best source for figure completeness/history. A few months ago, there was discussion about Duke's helmet and whether or not it comes with holes. We could've had an answer a lot quicker if someone had one MOC. I can say equivocally that my French Dr.Mindbender definitely has a cape with him - he's not wearing it, but it's behind him. And with a quick look at my wall, I can see how the G.I.Joe logo and card art changed over it's twelve years - from the basic white logo to the 3-D logo of the later cards. I have around 20 or so carded figures up on my wall - little more than half are American, the rest are Japanese, Indian, French, and Chinese. I don't plan on selling them or using them to retire with - I have them because they're just so darn COOL. I agree with you in that collecting loose figures is a lot more fun than carded - most Joe collectors, big and small, believe in loose figures over MOC. All my carded figures I have loose, too , with one exception. The Indian Superman is just too freakishly weird for me to open, unless I can find another one that I can open. I really really LOVE showing this one off to people - they just kinda drop their jaws and go "HuH?!?" :) I plan on getting one of each new release loose - maybe two of certain sets to have extras loose, but I won't be able to afford to get too many of each. Like Corey, the Stars & Stripes boxed set is the one that I'm most looking forward to - that one I can definitely see displaying MIB. But the analogy you draw with current Star Wars is a little extreme. POTF2 is in stores right now - any numbnut with a little bit of money can buy a figure, look at Lee's AFN and think they're rich. And sure enough, all the Action Figure Investors (now THERE'S a funny term) recommend you keep your figures MOC. [funny sidebar - remember those live-action cards that came free in 1993 with G.I.Joe figures? on the back they had toy collecting tips - one of them was to keep your figures MOC. can you imagine how horrible that must've been for some kid who just OPENED the figure to read the card that tells him that he should've kept the figure MOC? :) ] G.I.Joe isn't in stores right now - the only people who collect them are the ones who REALLY know their toys - not people who just kinda wander into the Toys R Us, say, "ooooo, my toy guide says that this one is a good one to invest in". Things'll change once the rereleases are a hit. But until then, if someone tells me that they bought a G.I.Joe MOC, unless I know differently, I think they bought it because it was cool - not because they're expanding their investment porfolio. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.6 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 22:37:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708022316.QAA08082@lists1.best.com> I'll throw my two cents in on this topic: When I was little, it was loose or nothing. It was so cool to put the accessories in the hand, and then loose them three days later :( The card art *is* cool and great eye candy, but, the dioramas and scene re-enactments are even greater eye candy. When the rereleasements come out, I'll definetly buy one to open and display. I may buy more for customization possiblities. The pluses of MOC figures have already been said, but, many simply buy them for trade bait. Come on, how many of you have [or have thought about it] buying a carded figure just because you new you could get several loose figures, rare figures, rare vehicle parts, etc.? I know the thought has crossed my mind a few times. When it comes to collecting, do what you feel is right. Right is might :) adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.7 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Night Fighter Guile Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 21:54:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone out there got an extra Night Fighter Guile for sale/trade? (For an OBVIOUS custom...) Thanks, Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.8 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: Re: Night Fighter Guile Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:03:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:54 PM 8/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone out there got an extra Night Fighter Guile for sale/trade? (For an >OBVIOUS custom...) > >Thanks, >Travis L. Rodgers >trodger@arkansas.net >http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ > > I have a few of the Guile series figures laying around,If anyone wants any throw an offer my way. Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.9 --------------- From: Eddie Beiles Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:08:30 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708030212.TAA21785@lists1.best.com> When I buy a new figure, I open it by cutting the bubble off with a knife. That way, the bubble remains in good shape, along with the card. The card isn't ruined in anyway, and neither is the bubble. And If I want to dislplay my figures on card latter on, I can take some scotch tape, and tape the bubble back on the card (and I only have to place the tape on the plastic bubble since some of it remains on the card). Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.10 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Night Fighter Guile Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 22:31:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:54 PM 8/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone out there got an extra Night Fighter Guile for sale/trade? (For an >OBVIOUS custom...) Okay, speaking of Guile figures. I'm stuck with a bunch of these that I offered to buy for ppl last time then they backed out. I'll selling them at my cost, $2.15 each you pay postage. Here's what I have, if anyone wants any email me privately Paratrooper Guile (x 4) Rock Climber Guile (x 2) Night Fighter Guile (x 2) Navy Seal Guile (x 2) -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.11 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Zartan Page Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 20:49:20 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I just subscribed. Anyway.. I just put up my Zartan and the Drednoks page. Please check it out, all feedback is warmly appreciated. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html By the way, my names Rod. Not that names really tell you much. Hope to get to know most of you. Later. ~~~Zartan. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.12 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Assistance Needed Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 12:26:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As part of the Star Wars Custom Action Figure Listserv, G.I. Joe heads are often used as part of a custom figure. For instance, Version 1 Mutt makes an excellent Biggs Darklighter (the pilot in A New Hope who told Luke "We'll be able to talk about it later." and during the battle against the Death Star, died. You know "Blast it, Biggs! Where are you?") Well, one of the members is in dire need of the following Joe heads: ROBO-JOE Golobulus Dr. Mindbender (V1) Star Brigade Armor Tech Duke His e-mail is larobert@mtl.net Mail him, not me. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.13 --------------- From: Larry Hama Subject: Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n240 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 12:43:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708021901.MAA18969@lists1.best.com> James McFadden discussed the race discrepancy with General Hollingsworth. The character was originally meant to be African American. He was loosely based on A.C. Hollingsworth, an animation arts teacher at the High School Of Art and Design in NYC. The coloring glitches in the comic occured because every time there was an editorial change at Marvel, somebody who knew nothing about all the characters took over the book. It takes a long time for the uninitiated to glom onto all the characters-- Some editors never did. Most editors made it a point to have me go over all the pages and coloring guides before the book went out. A few (the minority) felt that it violated their authority-- they were the very ones who never bothered to learn the characters and back story. I always meant him to be an Army general, as I felt that the JOES were basically an army unit with certain specialists on TDY from other branches. Coloring glitches happen all too often. A particularly onerous one is in G.I. Joe #21, "Silent Interlude" In the scene where Storm Shadow pays a visit to Scarlett in her cell, the trapdoor in the ceiling is miscolored in the last panel of the sequence to appear open. It should be closed. Larry Hama --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n241.14 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Assistance Needed Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 12:15:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As part of the Star Wars Custom Action Figure Listserv, G.I. Joe heads > are often used as part of a custom figure. Blasphemer!!!!!! Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- END gijoe.v001.n241 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n242 -------------- 001 - hz399@cleveland.Freenet.E - Re: Carded Figures 002 - joe1635@juno.com (Joe M G - Past Lists? 003 - "Corey D. Stinson" - Re: Carded Figs 005 - Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Past Lists? Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 07:44:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:24 PM 8/3/97 EDT, you wrote: >Where on the internet can I find the back issues of the Newsletter? > >Joe At the GI Joe 3 3/4" Newsletter HQ! :) URL is http://webusers.anet-stl.com/~stinson/joehq -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n242.4 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:00:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708022316.QAA08082@lists1.best.com> >So, I am curious. How many people have carded Joes that they >"collecting" for that rainy day. And is anyone else just buying ONE of >each of the new GI Joe releases? How many can you play with? I understand what you're saying, and I agree that you won't have as much fun with the Joes if they're on cards. However, when I get hold of carded figures it difficult for me to open it because once its opened, its opened forever. The packages look cool, and seeing them carded really takes me back. I know I won't be able to play with them if they're carded, but I don't have time to play with them now, so I'm not really missing much. As far as keeping them for a rainy day? Well....I would hate to get rid of them, but for now its best for me to keep them as 'sought after' as possible, in case I'm forced to get rid of them. Hopefully it won't come to that though :) I don't plan to sell them for a profit, I never have. When the new ones come out, I will buy 2 of each...1 to open, 1 to keep. And, If I'm so moved, I'll open both and do some customs or add to my armies and stage a giant battle scene. dan dcarber@tiac.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n242.5 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:20:46 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708041254.FAA11653@lists1.best.com> Dan C. wrote: > I don't plan to sell them for a profit, I never have. When the new ones > come out, I will buy 2 of each...1 to open, 1 to keep. And, If I'm so > moved, I'll open both and do some customs or add to my armies and stage a > giant battle scene. Same here. I'll buy 1 to open and one to stare at. How will these collector Gi Joes be available? Through local toystores, or specialists? I'll need to arrange something since they never seem to get the figures I want in my local stores. I'm looking forward to the Lady Jaye, Scarlett, Baroness figures the most. ~~~Rod/Zartan Zartan's Domain - Constantly Evolving http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n242.6 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Toyfare Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 22:06:07 EDT If you get a chance, Wizard's Toyfare #1 just came out. I bought it for the cover feature, with the AT-AT walker, but was pleased to discover a GI Joe price guide. If somebody picks this up, can they check with other sources and see if it is accurate. Joe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n242.7 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:16:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:20 AM 8/5/97 +1200, you wrote: >Dan C. wrote: > >> I don't plan to sell them for a profit, I never have. When the new ones >> come out, I will buy 2 of each...1 to open, 1 to keep. And, If I'm so >> moved, I'll open both and do some customs or add to my armies and stage a >> giant battle scene. > >Same here. I'll buy 1 to open and one to stare at. How will these >collector Gi Joes be available? Through local toystores, or >specialists? I'll need to arrange something since they never seem to >get the figures I want in my local stores. > >I'm looking forward to the Lady Jaye, Scarlett, Baroness figures the >most. This first assortment will be Toys R Us exclusives. Not sure if this means Toys R Us worldwide, or Toys R Us US/Canada, or what. We should all know for sure before they are released this Christmas though. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- END gijoe.v001.n242 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n243 -------------- 001 - Adam Casey - 007 - "Julius Cooper" - Re: Review 011 - johne - Re: The ultimate evil is the Ignorance of the people. 012 - "Thaddeus Moren" - Re: Sgt. Slaughter 016 - Eugene - Shortfuse Filecard Variation? 017 - "Roger Harkavy" Subject: Sgt. Slaughter Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:44:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those interested, Sgt. Slaughter is back in the WWF, as a commissioner I believe. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.2 --------------- From: "Danny" Subject: Re: trading cards Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:44:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey danny b here, just got back from camping. Sorry if I am behind on my email. I looked threw my extras and have#39 zap and #159 Dr. Venom. What are the 30th Joe cards? If you still need the Imples let me know. danny b ---------- > From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: trading cards > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 1997 5:23 AM > > > > This is good someone brought this up as I just purchased a bunch of the Impel cards ( a full box = opened ) still not a full set . > I know the colation of the 30th aniversary set was TERRIBLE. what is anyones experience with making up Impel sets? > Also, what are the Milton Bradley cards ? ( never heard of those ) are they the ones issued on blister cards circa 1984 ? ( I do remember seeing those on the store pegs but was not into Joe at the time -blasphemy..no ? ) > I do need the following to complete my set: > Impel #39, #159, #184 > Joe 30th # 3, #10, #11, #36 and #47 > I have LOTS of extras to trade, etc. so if anyone needs any... > > Al Swackhammer > > > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.3 --------------- From: Black Shadow Subject: Meassage for Zartan....but you can read it if you want Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 01:12:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Zartan, I recently up graded my version of netscape and axidently del my bookmark file. so now I am in the process of rebuilding it. I need your Zartan page URL. Thanks Black Shadow[Night Creeper 27] For COBRA ........................For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. Http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ <--My Website --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.4 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Animated Page Assisstance Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 22:46:15 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708050354.UAA28810@lists1.best.com> Hi, its the "Zartan Page" guy here. I need an episode guide to the animated GI JOE series. I need it for a web page I'm aiming at putting up in early August. It will cover the shows characters with screen captures and sound files. If anyones seen the "Batman the animated series Official web page" - thats what it will be like. I've done all the HTML, just need to finalise the info that I'll be able to put up. If anyone is interested in helping, I'd love to hear from you. The GI JOE Animated Series Page will cover. The main characters from the mini-series' and the two Marvel/Sunbow seasons, will recieve bios, screen shots and sound files. An episode guide. A multimedia section - AVI's Mov's and sounds. Thats the basic plan for the moment. GI Joe toys and comics are covered extensively but the cartoon which was one of the highest rating toons in America, has little or no info available. I want to cater for this part of 3 3/4" JOE universe. If anyones interested and wants a sneak peak I could arange it... however there are no screen caps yet, thats why I'm delaying the release. ~~~Rod/Zartan --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.5 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Carded Figs Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 22:53:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708050217.TAA09723@lists1.best.com> Corey D. Stinson wrote: > This first assortment will be Toys R Us exclusives. Not sure if this > means Toys R Us worldwide, or Toys R Us US/Canada, or what. We should all > know for sure before they are released this Christmas though. > I'd like to see a 3 pack of the following... 1.) Cobra Officer, Tele-Viper, Crimson Guard 2.) Buzzer, Ripper, Torch 3.) Zartan, Major Bludd, Fire Fly 4.) Spirit, Shipwreck, Stalker Is number 1 asking too much... I would have thought that a Cobra Officer would have been in one of the collectors packs... but nnnoooooooo. hopefully, when these are proven to be a success (because most of us seem to want to buy multiple copies), they will release more of the earlier figures as well as relaunch the line. Maybe even a new comic and cartoon. We can only dream. ~~~Rod/Zartan --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.6 --------------- From: "Dan C." Subject: Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:38:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, it seems that the time has come for me to become a less active participant in this list. I no longer will be able to post my comments on a daily, and sometimes hourly basis. Today is my last day at my job, and hence my last day at dan@bdi.com. I will still be posting less frequently via my home email, (dcarber@tiac.net) but will be taking a 3 week 'vacation' in Utah for some Military Excercises. Something about rebuilding a pit or some such thing. See you on the flip side. dan dcarber@tiac.net dan@bdi.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.7 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: Date: 05 Aug 97 09:43:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Carber wrote: >Well, it seems that the time has come for me to become a less active >participant in this list. I no longer will be able to post my comments on >a daily, and sometimes hourly basis. Today is my last day at my job, and >hence my last day at dan@bdi.com. I will still be posting less frequently >via my home email, (dcarber@tiac.net) but will be taking a 3 week >'vacation' in Utah for some Military Excercises. Something about >rebuilding a pit or some such thing. *smirk* Stand tall, soldier... >See you on the flip side. We'll save you a spot by the fire... >dan Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.8 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Desert Destination Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 11:49:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 09:38 AM 8/5/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Well, it seems that the time has come for me to become a less active >participant in this list. I no longer will be able to post my comments on >a daily, and sometimes hourly basis. Today is my last day at my job, and >hence my last day at dan@bdi.com. I will still be posting less frequently >via my home email, (dcarber@tiac.net) but will be taking a 3 week >'vacation' in Utah for some Military Excercises. Something about >rebuilding a pit or some such thing. > >See you on the flip side. > >dan >dcarber@tiac.net >dan@bdi.com ..........Say 'Hi' to Charlie for me... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- "That's the problem with ninjas: they're never around when you need 'em, and when they are, they're never on your side." -G.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.9 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Meassage for Zartan....but you can read it if you want Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:29:34 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708050610.XAA16503@lists1.best.com> Black Shadow wrote: > > Hey Zartan, > > I recently up graded my version of netscape and axidently del my bookmark > file. so now I am in the process of rebuilding it. I need your Zartan page > URL. > > Thanks > Black Shadow[Night Creeper 27] > For COBRA ........................For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > COBRA I hate it when that happens. You can find "Zartan's Domain" via a Yahoo search, under the category for GI Joe. Or you can take my directions. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html I'm going to try and keep adding new stuff, but I'm short on ideas at the moment. Suggestions? The only other thing I will be putting up soon is peoples ideas as to Zartans origins which they've sent in to me. Make sure to hit the reload button on mypages whenever you visit in case its been updated. ~~~~Rod/Zartan --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.10 --------------- From: johne Subject: Re: Review Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:17:20 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708012232.PAA01273@lists1.best.com> > > Flash:Tan pads instead of orange, same accessories, NO VISOR! > That's weak. 8[ The visor is everything. John P. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.11 --------------- From: johne Subject: Re: The ultimate evil is the Ignorance of the people. Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:21:48 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708020523.WAA28349@lists1.best.com> > > On a different note. I recently purchased a bubblebath bottle in the shape > of Bazooka. It is date stamped on the bottom 1986. I can't find anything > in any reference books about it. I was wondering if anyone knew if any > other soap/bubble-bath containers were made in the shape of GI*Joe/Cobra > figures? > I have a G.I.JOE shampoo set from Avon. It had a bottle of hand soap and a bottle of shampoo. Both bottles have original artwork showing Repeater and Hit & Run. It came in a box, covered with pics of joes from '88. It also came with a bunch of temporary tattoos. John P. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.12 --------------- From: "Thaddeus Moren" Subject: Some Joe stuff for sale as a lot Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:51:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to intrude, but a offer to those on this group. I am going to sell off all my extra Joe stuff that has been lying around. I am only going to sell them as a lot, not individually. You can view a list of the entire lot at http://home.earthlink.net/gijoelot.htm Thanks, Thad tgmoren@earthlink.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.13 --------------- From: hz399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. J. Karlisle) Subject: Toyfare Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:40:32 -0400 (EDT) been subscribing to wizard for awhile and most recently toyfare as well... overall toyfare's prices are fairly good. you will have plenty of heavily marked up 'hot' items floating around the pages, as well as some values which make little sense. but all in all it's a decent "guide". i haven't paid too much attention to the joes in there as i've picked up around 100 carded and loose complete joes in the past six months for less than $3 apiece -- just have to keep looking. i did recently "value" my loose vintage star wars collection and used 3 guides -- toyfare, white's and lee's. toyfare's values typically fell between the other two, with lee's typically higher and white's typically lower -- though not always. on a comics note, i recently picked up a couple extra copies of issues #137 and #138 (with trading cards, still sealed). if anyone would like to trade any figures for these, LMK. on a second comics note, i need an assist from any collectors of action force or european missions. have the chance to pick up bunches of these, though they would be $.90 apiece and i'm debating it. general opinions on the quality of either series and 'worthwhileness' of either would be appreciated, as well as if maybe there are one or two "must have" issues scattered arounf. Thanks! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.14 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: Accessory Packs Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:05:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have accessory packs 1-6, and am looking to sell any/all accessories = associated with them. Since, I have very little time or room to play, I = don't think any battles will last long enough to require spare ammo and = fresh supplies. Just letting you know... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Ian and Melanie :) iannmel@niagara.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.15 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Sgt. Slaughter Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:20:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708050354.UAA28810@lists1.best.com> At 11:44 PM -0700 8/4/97, Adam Casey wrote: >For those interested, Sgt. Slaughter is back in the WWF, as a >commissioner I believe. Commissioner? Sounds like a carefully planned PR move by Hasbro to have their wrestler in one of the visible leagues again.... Then again, HOW OLD IS THIS GUY? For god's sake, how long do these Pro Wrestlers go before their steroids just don't work anymore?!?!? :) -Eugene (who's dying to know whatever happened to the Iron Sheik - he looked just like Dr Mindbender) ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.16 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Shortfuse Filecard Variation? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:20:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708050354.UAA28810@lists1.best.com> Hey gang- Someone e-mailed me mentioning that he has two different versions of the Shortfuse filecard. One has the name as: Eric W. Freidstat The other says: Marc W. Brensten. Ok - dig through your cards. Who has which? -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n243.17 --------------- From: "Roger Harkavy" Subject: FS: 3 3/4" G.I. Joe figures and parts for $3 and under. Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:43:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm selling off some of my 3 3/4" G.I. Joe figures, loose ($3 ea.) and in packs of parts ($1 ea.). I'm using the DeSimone Guides (and Compendium of Corrections) as a guide for the figs. Only two figures have file cards, and are marked with an asterisk (*). Items currently being held are marked with a carat (^). LOOSE - $3 ea. ----- #230 Countdown, missing string, weight, backpack *#302 Crimson Guard Immortal, broken crotch and missing 4 missiles #536 Star Brigade Duke, complete PACKS OF PARTS - $1 ea. -------------- ^#405 Battle Corps Crimson Guard Commander, missing head, arms, large rifle #474 Create A Cobra, missing head and stand (three of these are available) Street Fighter Movie Nightfighter Guile, missing legs, torso, arms, stand (three of these are available) Original Edition Liu Kang, missing torso and all accessories In the case of a trade, I am looking for the following: - Impel G.I. Joe Trading Cards (full set) (I'll also buy this off of you if you're not trading.) Otherwise, email me with what you're interested in and I'll give you an estimate including shipping U.S. Mail 1st class. Thanks! --- Roger Harkavy harkavyr@mail.cybernex.net --------------- END gijoe.v001.n243 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n244 -------------- 001 - Black Shadow - Re: Chinese Joes? 014 - ACJ1717@aol.com - Re: Toyfare 015 - mike and candy List Subject: Re: Sgt. Slaughter Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 23:17:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >-Eugene >(who's dying to know whatever happened to the Iron Sheik - he looked just >like Dr Mindbender) > > > When I was a kid a friend of mine thought GI*Joe/Cobra/WWF was real and thought that the sheik was Mindbender in disguise to hlep Cobra takover the WWF to use there muscle to hlep them[Cobra] in there scheams. He also thought that Slaughter was placed in the WWF by GI*Joe to thorat the Cobras plans. Just goes to show you how gullabull/impresionable little kids can be. Just my 1/2 a cents worth. Black Shadow For COBRA ........................For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. Http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ <--My Website --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.2 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: GI JOE: Nostalgia Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 23:32:43 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708060416.VAA13109@lists1.best.com> Black Shadow wrote: > > > > >-Eugene > >(who's dying to know whatever happened to the Iron Sheik - he looked just > >like Dr Mindbender) > > > When I was a kid a friend of mine thought GI*Joe/Cobra/WWF was real and > thought that the sheik was Mindbender in disguise to hlep Cobra takover the > WWF to use there muscle to hlep them[Cobra] in there scheams. He also > thought that Slaughter was placed in the WWF by GI*Joe to thorat the Cobras > plans. > > Just goes to show you how gullabull/impresionable little kids can be. > > Just my 1/2 a cents worth. > > Black Shadow Man you guys have some good stories, tell me some more. When I used to play with the toys - many, many years ago - I used to get real emmersed in the game. Most of my games were based on the videos of the cartoon (never screened on a network here in New Zealand) which was my introduction, along with the toys - to universe of GI JOE. I must have rented each one out at least three times. Anyway, I'd get so drawn into the game I'd not only provide the sound effects but I'd imitate both the voices and the incindental music. I can do all the music from the 'toon off the top of my head. And being a fan of Cobra Commander, Star Scream and other characters played by the voice actor Chris Latta, I managed to do a passable Cobra Commander voice. This all came into each battle the Joes would have, and I'd be humming away background music from the 'toon to go with it. The only other habit I can remember having was making Cobra win. They would win 60% of the time. I just thought it was ridiculous how lucky the Joes were, and I always seem to sympathise with those on the losing side. I don't suppose anyone else has anything in common with me here. ~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" is updated often. be sure to hit the reload/refresh button when visiting. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.3 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Shortfuse Filecard Variation? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 06:57:46 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 08/05/97 20:20:25 you wrote: > > >Hey gang- > >Someone e-mailed me mentioning that he has two different versions of the >Shortfuse filecard. > >One has the name as: Eric W. Freidstat > >The other says: Marc W. Brensten. > > >Ok - dig through your cards. Who has which? > > >-Eugene > > Mine is the 'ERIC' version. original Straight arm card. Al S. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.4 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Shortfuse Filecard Variation? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:24:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine also says Eric, and so does the Order of Battle. -----Original Message----- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com [SMTP:rktmoose@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 7:58 AM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Re: Shortfuse Filecard Variation? On 08/05/97 20:20:25 you wrote: > > >Hey gang- > >Someone e-mailed me mentioning that he has two different versions of the >Shortfuse filecard. > >One has the name as: Eric W. Freidstat > >The other says: Marc W. Brensten. > > >Ok - dig through your cards. Who has which? > > >-Eugene > > Mine is the 'ERIC' version. original Straight arm card. Al S. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.5 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: The ultimate evil is the Ignorance of the people. Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:31:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 03:21 PM 8/5/97 -0600, you wrote: >> >> On a different note. I recently purchased a bubblebath bottle in the shape >> of Bazooka. It is date stamped on the bottom 1986. I can't find anything >> in any reference books about it. I was wondering if anyone knew if any >> other soap/bubble-bath containers were made in the shape of GI*Joe/Cobra >> figures? >> > I have a G.I.JOE shampoo set from Avon. It had a bottle of hand >soap and a bottle of shampoo. Both bottles have original artwork showing >Repeater and Hit & Run. It came in a box, covered with pics of >joes from '88. It also came with a bunch of temporary tattoos. > >John P. > > Yo Joes: I have a Storm Shadow bubblebath/shampoo bottle. My wife purchased it for me at a second-hand store around '90-'91. I always assumed there was a whole selection of 'Joe bottles out there, somewhere... -Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- "That's the problem with ninjas: they're never around when you need 'em, and when they are, they're never on your side." -G.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.6 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: RE: Shortfuse Filecard Variation? Date: 06 Aug 97 09:39:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Scene: The local license branch] Man: I should like to buy a filecard for me friend, Eric. Clerk: 'Ow'd you know my name's "Eric"? Man: No, my friend's name is "Eric." 'E's a Joe... Clerk: I tho't you said 'is name is Eric... Man: Well, there's nothing so wrong about that! I hear tell there are several Joes with names ranging from Earl Bob to Skip to Fridge! And *don't* get me started on the Cobras! Clerk: Wot? Oh, all right then... [roots around in back] Oops, fresh out of Eric...would you settle for a 'Mark'? Man: Hmm...for 50 quid? Clerk: Make ya a deal...you don't tell anyone where you got it, and it's yours... Man: Done! [Clerk hands over the 'Mark' filecard. They shake.] [END] The above is a re-enactment of something that may not have really happened, but if it did, we can't tell you that it was in the southern part of Lutton, where the grass is always balmy and green, and the Pommies are always in full bloom... [Editor's note: Apologies to anyone from Pommie-land who might've taken a trifling of offense at the above, but it was an _homage_ to your countrymen, who first impressed upon me the derisive use of the term "Pommie" {cf., the infamous "Bruces" sketch {which I can right transcribe for you from memory, given half a chance, and a half-case of Foster's--now *that's* beer}). Good day.] Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.7 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Shortfuse Filecard Variation? Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:57:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:20 PM 8/5/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Hey gang- > >Someone e-mailed me mentioning that he has two different versions of the >Shortfuse filecard. > >One has the name as: Eric W. Freidstat > >The other says: Marc W. Brensten. > > >Ok - dig through your cards. Who has which? > > >-Eugene Mine is "Eric" from the '82 straight-arm assortment, get your free Cobra Commander packaging. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.8 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Impel Cards Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:06:33 EDT If anyone is looking to complete a set of Impel Joe cards, let me know. I have MULTIPLE doubles of most cards. I also am building a set and need the following: 2 28 41 67 184 185 186 187 190 191 I can trade or buy, depending on what is needed. Joe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.9 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:06:43 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708060040.RAA15800@lists1.best.com> > on a comics note, i recently picked up a couple extra copies of issues > #137 and #138 (with trading cards, still sealed). if anyone would like > to trade any figures for these, LMK. Uhh... just to let you know, these issues are really easy to find. Yes, still sealed with the cards, they are still easy to find. I doubt you'll get any figs. for them. If people need these issues let me know, the local store has some. > > on a second comics note, i need an assist from any collectors of action force > or european missions. have the chance to pick up bunches of these, though > they would be $.90 apiece and i'm debating it. general opinions on the > quality of either series and 'worthwhileness' of either would be appreciated, > as well as if maybe there are one or two "must have" issues scattered arounf. Well, I have the first fifteen issues of European Missions/Action Force. They are really good. The character development is cool, and the interaction between characters really brings out each individual's specialty. I think it's an excellent series, so I would recommend you to get all the issues you can , even for $.90 each (which isn't that bad). Does anybody know what issue these went up to ? I really liked issue #2. But that's just me. Later, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.10 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: GI JOE: Nostalgia Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:14:42 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708061136.EAA04588@lists1.best.com> > I can do all the music from the 'toon off the top of my head. And being > a fan of Cobra Commander, Star Scream and other characters played by the > voice actor Chris Latta, I managed to do a passable Cobra Commander > voice. This all came into each battle the Joes would have, and I'd be > humming away background music from the 'toon to go with it. > Yes, I loved Chris Latta (and Peter Cummings), but I could never get the voice down. However, I was able to master a convincing Destro voice "Yes, my dear Cobra Commander!". And yeah, I sung the theme song many a time. "They'll fight for freedom wherever there's trouble, GI Joe is there..." > The only other habit I can remember having was making Cobra win. They > would win 60% of the time. I just thought it was ridiculous how lucky > the Joes were, and I always seem to sympathise with those on the losing > side. > > I don't suppose anyone else has anything in common with me here. I usually tended to make the Dreadnoks win. They would always be on their own team, and would usually come out unscathed (I had Torch, Buzzer, Ripper, Monkeywrench, and later on Zartan and Zarana and the Cycle - they were my favs, esp Torch and MonkeyWrench) Later, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.11 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Chinese Joes? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:33:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me about these things? Quality wise? Has anyone opened them? Are they the same quality as the originals? How about the paint jobs? Also, what are their identifying marks? (Are they marked as the originals were?) Also, when were they made? etc.....any other info you might have. Thanks. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.12 --------------- From: Michele Riggle Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:09:45 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:06 PM 8/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >> on a comics note, i recently picked up a couple extra copies of issues >> #137 and #138 (with trading cards, still sealed). if anyone would like >> to trade any figures for these, LMK. > Uhh... just to let you know, these issues are really easy to find. Yes, still sealed with the cards, they are still easy to find. I doubt you'll get any figs. for them. If people need these issues let me know, the local store has some. I already have those two, but are there any others. I've been searching for them but every time I ask for Marvel G.I.Joe comics, I get there and the're the stupid Dark Horse ones! I can't find them anywhere! Also, how much do you want for them? Thanks, Gabe > >> >> on a second comics note, i need an assist from any collectors of action force >> or european missions. have the chance to pick up bunches of these, though >> they would be $.90 apiece and i'm debating it. general opinions on the >> quality of either series and 'worthwhileness' of either would be appreciated, >> as well as if maybe there are one or two "must have" issues scattered arounf. > >Well, I have the first fifteen issues of European Missions/Action Force. >They are really good. The character development is cool, and the >interaction between characters really brings out each individual's >specialty. I think it's an excellent series, so I would recommend you to >get all the issues you can , even for $.90 each (which isn't that bad). >Does anybody know what issue these went up to ? > >I really liked issue #2. But that's just me. > >Later, > Duane > > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.13 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Chinese Joes? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:18:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708062331.QAA20827@lists1.best.com> At 6:33 PM -0500 8/6/97, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: >Can anyone tell me about these things? I'll try. :) >Quality wise? Quality wise, they're impeccable. >Has anyone opened them? Yup - the eight particular figs were flooded into the U.S. and European markets, so many collectors found them for really cheap. The eight figs are Cobra Commander, Destro (v3), Major Bludd (chinese exclusive), Duke (chinese exclusive), Tiger Force Flint (chinese exclusive), Tiger Force Roadblock (named Barricade), Lifeline, and Dialtone. >Are they the same quality as the originals? Comparable to the American and European releases. Not like the Indian and Argentinian figs, which are noticably lower in quality. The Chinese figures are excellent. The cards and bubbles are even comparable quality. >How about the paint jobs? Again, just like the American and European releases. > Also, what are their identifying marks? (Are >they marked as the originals were?) They're marked exactly like the American ones, except for one minor detail. The original American releases were stamped "Made in China". The Chinese ones were stamped "Made in Hong Kong." Weird, huh? :) >Also, when were they made? etc.....any other info you might have. Thanks. The release date is kinda tough to pinpoint. The backs of the cards are dated "1989, 1992". A bunch of other figs are pictured on the cardbacks. Other figs were released in 1993 or 94 with the newer "Battle Corps" look to them. But the only Chinese figs that are easily found in the U.S. are the eight above-mentioned Joes. These got flooded into the U.S. and European markets last year. Three are Chinese exclusive - the most notable ones being the Flint and Major Bludd. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.14 --------------- From: ACJ1717@aol.com Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:31:11 -0400 (EDT) There are Dark Horse G.I. JOE comics?! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.15 --------------- From: mike and candy List Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 21:43:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708070131.SAA19365@lists1.best.com> yeah,there are,but they're for the GI-Joe EXTREME series...they're really crappy comic books.the art is decent,but that's about all. oh yeah. a really nice cover on issue #1. -myke > There are Dark Horse G.I. JOE comics?! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.16 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:15:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe these comics are for "G.I.Joe Extreme"!!!! I've seen tons in bins around here. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: ACJ1717@aol.com > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: Toyfare > Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 8:31 PM > > There are Dark Horse G.I. JOE comics?! --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.17 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:52:57 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708070144.SAA26898@lists1.best.com> > yeah,there are,but they're for the GI-Joe EXTREME series...they're really > crappy comic books.the art is decent,but that's about all. > oh yeah. a really nice cover on issue #1. > -myke > > There are Dark Horse G.I. JOE comics?! Yeah, G.I.Joe Extreme had a really crappy storyline, but the drawings were really good in my opinion. BTW, how many issues are there? I have the original four-issue limited series, and three regular issues (up until the issue Doppleganger, where the first plotline of the "evil twin" Joe team is resolved) Are there any issues after this? I never saw any, and most respectable comic stores I've been to now deny ever selling these comics (well, not really. But they don't carry them anymore, so I can't find out how many were ever made). Thanks, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.18 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:59:40 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708070011.RAA07198@lists1.best.com> OK, for anybody responding to my offer to pick up Joe comics : I'm only asking for the price of the comic plus shipping...I've got no problems with picking up issues for people. However, I'll warn you of two things. 1.) I don't get to the comic shop very often so it may be a while before I can get a list of what they have, and another while before I can actually pick them up for you. 2.) The comic shop around here still charges a premium for Joe comics. Don't ask me why, but they are still on the shelf - not in the bargain bin. I try to wait for specials to come on, but that is a rare occurance. I tend to pay up to $2.50 Canadian for ome of the comics, though most are around $1.50 or $1.75 each. It's kinda expensive, but I don't have time to go around to flea markets looking for comics, so I pay the price. If people are interested in paying this price, let me know, and I'll try to make a trip to the store to get a list of all the issues that they have (and the prices for them). BTW, if anybody has extra issues for trade, let me know. I'm still trying to complete my collection. Later, Duane > At 06:06 PM 8/6/97 -0400, you wrote: > >> on a comics note, i recently picked up a couple extra copies of issues > >> #137 and #138 (with trading cards, still sealed). if anyone would like > >> to trade any figures for these, LMK. > > > Uhh... just to let you know, these issues are really easy to find. Yes, > still sealed with the cards, they are still easy to find. I doubt you'll > get any figs. for them. If people need these issues let me know, the > local store has some. > > I already have those two, but are there any others. I've been searching > for them but every time I ask for Marvel G.I.Joe comics, I get there and > the're the stupid Dark Horse ones! I can't find them anywhere! Also, how > much do you want for them? --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.19 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 23:21:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:52 PM 8/6/97 -0400, you wrote: > >> yeah,there are,but they're for the GI-Joe EXTREME series...they're really >> crappy comic books.the art is decent,but that's about all. >> oh yeah. a really nice cover on issue #1. >> -myke >> > There are Dark Horse G.I. JOE comics?! > >Yeah, G.I.Joe Extreme had a really crappy storyline, but the drawings were >really good in my opinion. BTW, how many issues are there? I have the >original four-issue limited series, and three regular issues (up until the >issue Doppleganger, where the first plotline of the "evil twin" Joe team >is resolved) Are there any issues after this? I never saw any, and most >respectable comic stores I've been to now deny ever selling these comics >(well, not really. But they don't carry them anymore, so I can't find out >how many were ever made). > >Thanks, > Duane > > > 4 issues of the regular series were releasedby Dark Horse plus the mini series. There were 50 issues of Action Force and II don't know how many of Action Force monthly(GI JOE European Misions) I can only assume about 15.The stories,especially in the first series were great. They also did reprints of american stories.The stories ,though,were broken into about 4 parts and one part was in each issue. Usuall one reprint story and one new story were in each issue along with character profiles,letters,full page ,color ads for the figures and vehicles. Over all just great books to have. Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.20 --------------- From: Eddie Beiles Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:06:55 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708070253.TAA04704@lists1.best.com> > > yeah,there are,but they're for the GI-Joe EXTREME series...they're really > > crappy comic books.the art is decent,but that's about all. > > oh yeah. a really nice cover on issue #1. > > -myke > > > There are Dark Horse G.I. JOE comics?! > > Yeah, G.I.Joe Extreme had a really crappy storyline, but the drawings were > really good in my opinion. BTW, how many issues are there? I have the > original four-issue limited series, and three regular issues (up until the > issue Doppleganger, where the first plotline of the "evil twin" Joe team > is resolved) Are there any issues after this? I never saw any, and most > respectable comic stores I've been to now deny ever selling these comics > (well, not really. But they don't carry them anymore, so I can't find out > how many were ever made). There was a Vol 2, Issue 4. (Or issue 4 of the regular series) Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n244.21 --------------- From: Tony Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:23:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:31 PM 8/6/97 -0400, ACJ1717@aol.com wrote: >There are Dark Horse G.I. JOE comics?! > Yes, I believe that they're just GI JOE extreme. Tony --------------- END gijoe.v001.n244 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n245 -------------- 001 - Tony - Re: Chinese Joes? 011 - johne - Re: Toyfare 012 - Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:26:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:52 PM 8/6/97 -0400, you wrote: > >> yeah,there are,but they're for the GI-Joe EXTREME series...they're really >> crappy comic books.the art is decent,but that's about all. >> oh yeah. a really nice cover on issue #1. >> -myke >> > There are Dark Horse G.I. JOE comics?! > >Yeah, G.I.Joe Extreme had a really crappy storyline, but the drawings were >really good in my opinion. BTW, how many issues are there? I have the >original four-issue limited series, and three regular issues (up until the >issue Doppleganger, where the first plotline of the "evil twin" Joe team >is resolved) Are there any issues after this? I never saw any, and most >respectable comic stores I've been to now deny ever selling these comics >(well, not really. But they don't carry them anymore, so I can't find out >how many were ever made). > >Thanks, > Duane Personally, I lost interest in the current GI Joe line when they canceled the 3 1/4 figures and replaced them with 4 1/2 in. "Seargent Savage" figures. Tony --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.2 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Chinese Joes? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:47:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eugene wrote: >They're marked exactly like the American ones, except for one minor detail. >The original American releases were stamped "Made in China". The Chinese >ones were stamped "Made in Hong Kong." Is there a chance that you have this backwards? I ask because all the 'older' figures I have say "Made in Hong Kong" inscribed on them......(Destro, Baroness, Soldier, Rock & Roll, etc...) Why would just the American Cobra Commander say "Made in China", while the others say elsewise? Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.3 --------------- From: hz399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. J. Karlisle) Subject: wrestling Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:04:04 -0400 (EDT) iron sheik update: as recent as 3 years or so ago he was at a local high school with a very minor wrestling organization. they had it set up in the gym for $5 or $10 a ticket, no one else really major but how often do you get to meet the iron sheik? *sigh* -Kj --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.4 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: Dark Horse GI JOE comics Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:38:02 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708070420.VAA20303@lists1.best.com> On Wed, 6 Aug 1997 gijoe-errors@lists.best.com wrote: > > 4 issues of the regular series were releasedby Dark Horse plus the > mini series. > Dwayne > For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Now please do correct me if I'm wrong (because this is coming out of the top of my head and it's been a while) but I thought they published 5 comics (aside from the original 4 issue mini-series). What I'm sure of is the following: The last issue had Sargeant Savage falling down from a WWII plane in the cover. All of their stories but the one in that last comic SUCKED! I still have it, so if you want to know more about it I can dig it up. LMK. > http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ > email tele_vipers@hotmail.com KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.5 --------------- From: "Peter Ljungman" Subject: GI Joe Cartoon Info Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 03:17:19 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Hi! For those of you interested in the G.I Joe cartoon and movie, I recommend the Internet Movie Database (http://us.imdb.com). Search the database for "G.I. Joe". Unfortunately there is not that much information present right now, but anyone can add information. Regards, Peter _________________________________________________ Peter Ljungman MSc European Business Administration http://www.hh.se/www2/ee93pl/index.htm PLjungman@hotmail.com _________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.6 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Chinese Joes? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:10:29 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes the chinese Joes are nice. Some are harder to find than others. I have MOC :Destro ( 92 version on original card art); Cobra Commander ( faceshield ); Tiger Flint ; Major Bludd ; Duke ( different lower arms ); Roadblock tiger force ( baricade ) and also Sub Zero; Metal Head and Topside. I do have an extra Destro that could be bought / traded. If anyone has any other China carded Joes besides the ones I mentioned ( reasonable priced or trade ) please let me know. Al Swackhammer --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.7 --------------- From: "Roger Harkavy" Subject: Idea for custom. Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:26:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After catching part of the "Only Human" Transformers episode on the Sci-Fi Channel yesterday, I got a kick out of seeing "Snake", the senior citizen version of Cobra Commander. Now that there are more CC figures on the way at the end of the year, this would make a great customization project. Any suggestions? --- Roger Harkavy harkavyr@mail.cybernex.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.8 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Chinese Joes? Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 07:34:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:47 PM 8/6/97 -0500, you wrote: >Eugene wrote: >>They're marked exactly like the American ones, except for one minor >detail. >>The original American releases were stamped "Made in China". The Chinese >>ones were stamped "Made in Hong Kong." > >Is there a chance that you have this backwards? I ask because all the >'older' figures I have say "Made in Hong Kong" inscribed on >them......(Destro, Baroness, Soldier, Rock & Roll, etc...) Why would just >the American Cobra Commander say "Made in China", while the others say >elsewise? > >Travis L. Rodgers I think all the "American" Joes were made in Hong Kong up until '86 or so. My Cobra Commander (1st) was made in Hong Kong. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.9 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Idea for custom. Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:08:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708071227.FAA03345@lists1.best.com> > After catching part of the "Only Human" Transformers episode on the Sci-Fi > Channel yesterday, I got a kick out of seeing "Snake", the senior citizen > version of Cobra Commander. Now that there are more CC figures on the way > at the end of the year, this would make a great customization project. Any > suggestions? (I missed today's episode... slept right till about 9am EST :( Although I've never seen the figure, wouldn't the Headman be a good choice? You could take the hat off with a Dremel and place it over a smoothed CC head. You'd then need to give him a coat and I forget what his clothing looks like. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.10 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Chinese Joes? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:38:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708071234.FAA05243@lists1.best.com> At 5:34 AM -0700 8/7/97, Corey D. Stinson wrote: >At 11:47 PM 8/6/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Eugene wrote: >>>They're marked exactly like the American ones, except for one minor >>detail. >>>The original American releases were stamped "Made in China". The Chinese >>>ones were stamped "Made in Hong Kong." >> >>Is there a chance that you have this backwards? I ask because all the >>'older' figures I have say "Made in Hong Kong" inscribed on >>them......(Destro, Baroness, Soldier, Rock & Roll, etc...) Why would just >>the American Cobra Commander say "Made in China", while the others say >>elsewise? >> >>Travis L. Rodgers > > I think all the "American" Joes were made in Hong Kong up until '86 or so. >My Cobra Commander (1st) was made in Hong Kong. Oops. Looks like my bad. I don't have the figs in front of me to compare, but I'm going to assume that I switched them. The American one is made in Hong Kong and the Chinese ones were made in China. -Eugene ------------------------------------------------------------ | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 3 3/4" G.I.Joe Archive | |----------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers | | you ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.11 --------------- From: johne Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:58:55 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708070319.UAA19989@lists1.best.com> Ok gang. As far as I know there was the 4-part mini-series. (Issue #1 being released in 4 variations.) Then the regular series I believe ran for 8 issues. There was also a wall poster with the cover art of the very first #1. John P. P.S. The artwork was good. Really I think it was more the print quality than anything. > >Yeah, G.I.Joe Extreme had a really crappy storyline, but the drawings were > >really good in my opinion. BTW, how many issues are there? I have the > >original four-issue limited series, and three regular issues (up until the > >issue Doppleganger, where the first plotline of the "evil twin" Joe team > >is resolved) Are there any issues after this? I never saw any, and most > >respectable comic stores I've been to now deny ever selling these comics > >(well, not really. But they don't carry them anymore, so I can't find out > >how many were ever made). > > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.12 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:46:49 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708071806.LAA13432@lists1.best.com> Hi again folks, > Ok gang. As far as I know there was the 4-part mini-series. > (Issue #1 being released in 4 variations.) Then the regular series I > believe ran for 8 issues. There was also a wall poster with the cover art > of the very first #1. > (please read on below) GI JOE EXTREME C o m i c S p o i l e r S p a c e 8 issues ?!!?? Ok, there have been many different answers to my question so far. The last issue I have has the Joe commander (lt. Stone I believe) face to face with a carbon copy of himself, each holding a gun under each other's chin. In the episode, the 'Dopplegangers' are beaten, Red Scream is unmasked and killed, and the Joe team is exhonourated (sp?). I have not seen any issues after this one. If anybody has more issues, could they please provide a description of the cover, and a brief outline of the plot. It would be most appreciated. Later, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.13 --------------- From: Tony Subject: Joes: New characters Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:22:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was just wondering if any of you guys thought that the idea Hasbro had when the 4 1/2 in Joes came out was good. You know, having ONLY new characters. Personally, I think that the idea was good, but the only thing I'd change is I'd keep some of the major players(Hawk, Duke, Flint, Snake Eyes, Scarlett, maybe Rock'n Roll). The rest of the people, I would make new. I'd also like to see Sgt. Savage(only him, not his squad) and Lt. Stone, but in a new capacity in the new 3 3/4 line. Tony --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.14 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 09:39:47 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708072119.OAA17694@lists1.best.com> Tony wrote: > > I was just wondering if any of you guys thought that the idea Hasbro > had when the 4 1/2 in Joes came out was good. You know, having ONLY new > characters. Personally, I think that the idea was good, but the only thing > I'd change is I'd keep some of the major players(Hawk, Duke, Flint, Snake > Eyes, Scarlett, maybe Rock'n Roll). The rest of the people, I would make > new. I'd also like to see Sgt. Savage(only him, not his squad) and Lt. > Stone, but in a new capacity in the new 3 3/4 line. > > Tony Yeah, I was thinking about something like that. I'd have those main guys like you said, probably replacing Rock'n Roll with Lady Jaye, and adding Gung Ho or Roadblock. Lt Stone sounds quite cool, I'd like to see him become a part of the 3 3/4-verse. As for the bad guys, Cobra Commander, Destro, Baroness, Zartan + main 3 Drednoks, Storm Shadow, and a new improved Cobra Officer. All other figures should be new, but it would be real nice to see the main players kept in circulation. Especially beause we are talking about the relaunching of the line here. What about the design of the figures. Personally I hated those ninja force figures that could only bend the legs at two joints like Scarlett and Snake Eyes. I'd want the original design back. What else should be in a new GI Joe 3 3/4 line? ~~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.15 --------------- From: "GERRY COFFMAN" Subject: Re: Joes from the kid down the block Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:03:52 CST I was contacted by the kid down the block who cuts my grass. He found two of his old joes and asked that I "put them up" for sale to the Joe list. Knowing the concerns over this becoming less of a discussion list and more of a for sale list i was hesitant. Since it's only two, and he has no list access I figure yall won't mind. I don't need them as I've allready got them. If you need them contact me off list with a cash ( his desire ) offer and I will forward to him. 1 Mainfraim version 2 red and tan (may be from Missin Brazil.) 2 Longrange from the Thunderclap cannon Both in good shape with no accesories, Thanks Gerry A campus Cop In Texas --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.16 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 18:35:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:22 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: > I was just wondering if any of you guys thought that the idea Hasbro >had when the 4 1/2 in Joes came out was good. You know, having ONLY new >characters. Personally, I think that the idea was good, but the only thing >I'd change is I'd keep some of the major players(Hawk, Duke, Flint, Snake >Eyes, Scarlett, maybe Rock'n Roll). The rest of the people, I would make >new. I'd also like to see Sgt. Savage(only him, not his squad) and Lt. >Stone, but in a new capacity in the new 3 3/4 line. > >Tony I hated the size change. Sgt. Savage in 3 3/4" would have been more interesting. I would have went for just about any new characters in the 3 3/4" same articulation format. But, I *really* hated the size change. Yuck! -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.17 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: Re: Idea for custom. Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:40:50 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-07 09:26:00 EDT, you write: > You'd then need to give him a coat and I forget what his clothing looks > like. He was just wearing a trenchcoat. I'd suggest maybe using an original Han Solo Trenchcoat and dying it tan. Brian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.18 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 19:52:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708072336.QAA22580@lists1.best.com> > I hated the size change. Sgt. Savage in 3 3/4" would have been more > interesting. I would have went for just about any new characters in the 3 > 3/4" same articulation format. But, I *really* hated the size change. Yuck! Any size change in a toy line sucks. I mean, with the Marvel line, the various Hulk figures should be 6 inches so they can interact with the 5 inch figures correctly. The 4 inch figures totally shunned possible playabilty with 3 3/4" figures and vehicles. Plus, Extreme figures had the possablity of a stick. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.19 --------------- From: ACJ1717@aol.com Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:32:02 -0400 (EDT) how about new versions of old guys, not remolds of the same figure..I.E. a new Cobra Officer, updates of old drednoks, and maybe some new versions of older figures that are not major players in the joe universe: Alpine, Cover Girl, Footloose, Beach Head, Recondo, ect. and especially new figures of the original series figures(Flash, Short Fuse, Grunt) and then ad new figures(Medi-Viper : )... How about a few October Gaurd vehicle/figure sets (Diana and Sgt. Misha w/ a true to Scale Mi-24D Hind and Dragonsky and Lt. Gorky w/ a BMP or a T-72) Now come on, who wouldn't want those --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.20 --------------- From: ACJ1717@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joes: New characters Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:40:06 -0400 (EDT) --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Joes: New characters Date: 97-08-07 21:29:41 EDT From: ACJ1717 To: gijoe@lists.best.com how about new versions of old guys, not remolds of the same figure..I.E. a new Cobra Officer, updates of old drednoks, and maybe some new versions of older figures that are not major players in the joe universe: Alpine, Cover Girl, Footloose, Beach Head, Recondo, ect. and especially new figures of the original series figures(Flash, Short Fuse, Grunt) and then ad new figures(Medi-Viper : )... How about a few October Gaurd vehicle/figure sets (Diana and Sgt. Misha w/ a true to Scale Mi-24D Hind and Dragonsky and Lt. Gorky w/ a BMP or a T-72) Now come on, who wouldn't want those --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.21 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:49:09 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708080132.SAA12175@lists1.best.com> ACJ1717@aol.com wrote: > > how about new versions of old guys, not remolds > of the same figure..I.E. a new Cobra Officer, > updates of old drednoks, and maybe some > new versions of older figures that are not major players > in the joe universe: Alpine, Cover Girl, Footloose, > Beach Head, Recondo, ect. and especially new figures > of the original series figures(Flash, Short Fuse, Grunt) > and then ad new figures(Medi-Viper : )... > How about a few October Gaurd vehicle/figure sets > (Diana and Sgt. Misha w/ a true to Scale Mi-24D Hind > and Dragonsky and Lt. Gorky w/ a BMP or a T-72) > Now come on, who wouldn't want those I didn't like the new Zartan. You know the ninja force one. He was... alright, but I'd rather have seen a touched up, slightly modified version of his old appearance. I would love to see new versions/molds of some characters though, providing they kept the characters familiar. Lady Jayes action figure isn't that spectacular, I'd like to see an improved version of that. I'd LOVE to see the old drednoks upgraded though. Basically I think the earlier characters should still retain a similarity to their original appearance. Otherwise we end up with action figures with billions of accessories and hi-tech futuristic supersized misiles launchers and back packs. Oh, yeah, and zartan getting a mowhawk. ~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.22 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes from the kid down the block Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:06:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708072255.PAA02996@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, GERRY COFFMAN wrote: > If you need them contact me off list with a cash ( his desire ) > offer and I will forward to him. In case no one's ever posted this bit of info, it's illegal to send cash through the mail. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.23 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Idea for custom. Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:09:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708072340.QAA24405@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 ForceFull1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-08-07 09:26:00 EDT, you write: > > > You'd then need to give him a coat and I forget what his clothing looks > > like. > > > He was just wearing a trenchcoat. What was he, a flasher? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.24 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:10:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708072336.QAA22580@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Corey D. Stinson wrote: > At 02:22 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: > > I was just wondering if any of you guys thought that the idea Hasbro > >had when the 4 1/2 in Joes came out was good. You know, having ONLY new > >characters. Personally, I think that the idea was good, but the only thing > >I'd change is I'd keep some of the major players(Hawk, Duke, Flint, Snake > >Eyes, Scarlett, maybe Rock'n Roll). The rest of the people, I would make > >new. I'd also like to see Sgt. Savage(only him, not his squad) and Lt. > >Stone, but in a new capacity in the new 3 3/4 line. > > I hated the size change. Sgt. Savage in 3 3/4" would have been more > interesting. I would have went for just about any new characters in the 3 > 3/4" same articulation format. But, I *really* hated the size change. Yuck! Now I'm confused...Sgt Savage wasn't a 3 3/4"? I thought he was a regular Joe size, but set in WWII. Adam Bernay --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.25 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:21:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708080132.SAA12175@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 ACJ1717@aol.com wrote: > How about a few October Gaurd vehicle/figure sets > (Diana and Sgt. Misha w/ a true to Scale Mi-24D Hind > and Dragonsky and Lt. Gorky w/ a BMP or a T-72) > Now come on, who wouldn't want those The only problem I find with these, as I mentioned before is that the "Oktober" in "Oktober Guard" refers to the Oktober Revolution, which is when the communists took over. In this Brave New World where the Iron Curtain has come down and the USSR is no more, shouldn't they be called something else? BTW, I was thinking about Russia having an "elite anti-terrorist special missions force", and America having one (G.I. Joe) and I wwas thinking: there's a country who'd *REALLY* want one of those in the Joe Universe: ISRAEL. Why? Because Cobra on top of their other problems would be a real mess. So, I was thinking about creating an Israeli counterpart to the Joe Team. Any ideas, people? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.26 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Joes from the kid down the block Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:27:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In case no one's ever posted this bit of info, it's illegal to send cash > through the mail. And???????? --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.27 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes from the kid down the block Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:29:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708080225.TAA11283@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > In case no one's ever posted this bit of info, it's illegal to send cash > > through the mail. > > And???????? And...it's illegal...what do you mean "And????????" Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.28 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Joes from the kid down the block Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:23:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708080206.TAA02024@lists1.best.com> > > If you need them contact me off list with a cash ( his desire ) > > offer and I will forward to him. > > In case no one's ever posted this bit of info, it's illegal to send cash > through the mail. No waaaaaaaay. Really??? adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.29 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 21:36:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >What else should be in a new GI Joe 3 3/4 line? > >~~~~Rod/Zartan > I think there should be a Bazooka in the new line. He was one of my fav chars has a child next to Snake Eyes. I think his potinal in the chartoons was highly over looked. I think if they do decide to do more cartoons they should take off where they left off or make it a few years later. I always thought bazooka was precieved has a childish char. I think it would be kewl if they showed him a little grown up. Black Shadow For COBRA ........................For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. Http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ <--My Website --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n245.30 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:33:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708080221.TAA09382@lists1.best.com> > The only problem I find with these, as I mentioned before is that the > "Oktober" in "Oktober Guard" refers to the Oktober Revolution, which is > when the communists took over. In this Brave New World where the Iron > Curtain has come down and the USSR is no more, shouldn't they be called > something else? > "Oktober" should definetly be changed. Maybe call it the Russian word for "protectors" or something. > BTW, I was thinking about Russia having an "elite anti-terrorist special > missions force", and America having one (G.I. Joe) and I wwas thinking: > there's a country who'd *REALLY* want one of those in the Joe Universe: > ISRAEL. Why? Because Cobra on top of their other problems would be a > real mess. > > So, I was thinking about creating an Israeli counterpart to the Joe Team. > Any ideas, people? Well, you could have Septuagint, the Israeli Joe Team Rabbi. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- END gijoe.v001.n245 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n246 -------------- 001 - Adam Casey - Re: Joes from the kid down the block 006 - Eugene - Re: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) 007 - ForceFull1@aol.com - Re: Idea for custom. 008 - Adam Bernay - Re: Toyfare 021 - Michele Riggle - Re: Questions I've had 023 - "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:34:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708080235.TAA17831@lists1.best.com> > I think there should be a Bazooka in the new line. He was one of my fav > chars has a child next to Snake Eyes. I think his potinal in the chartoons > was highly over looked. I think if they do decide to do more cartoons they > should take off where they left off or make it a few years later. I always > thought bazooka was precieved has a childish char. I think it would be kewl > if they showed him a little grown up. I think the opening episode of a new comic (and first issue of a new comic series) should have the new team roaming American Army Surplus stores looking for their old gear (there's one near me called 'G.I. Joe Army Surplus', no joke). adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.2 --------------- From: Cyric Hywind Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 21:50:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:10 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: > >On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Corey D. Stinson wrote: > >> At 02:22 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >> > I was just wondering if any of you guys thought that the idea Hasbro >> >had when the 4 1/2 in Joes came out was good. You know, having ONLY new >> >characters. Personally, I think that the idea was good, but the only thing >> >I'd change is I'd keep some of the major players(Hawk, Duke, Flint, Snake >> >Eyes, Scarlett, maybe Rock'n Roll). The rest of the people, I would make >> >new. I'd also like to see Sgt. Savage(only him, not his squad) and Lt. >> >Stone, but in a new capacity in the new 3 3/4 line. >> >> I hated the size change. Sgt. Savage in 3 3/4" would have been more >> interesting. I would have went for just about any new characters in the 3 >> 3/4" same articulation format. But, I *really* hated the size change. Yuck! > >Now I'm confused...Sgt Savage wasn't a 3 3/4"? I thought he was a regular >Joe size, but set in WWII. > > >Adam Bernay > > I have a carded Savage and D-Day infront of me right now. Both of these figs are 4". The wierd part is on the back of both cards it says "Figure plays with 3 3/4" GI.Joe figures and accessories". I dont know he looks alittle big to fit in my Cobra Wolf. Black Shadow For COBRA ........................For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com -- For in the shadows shall we find the truth, and in the truth we shall find ourselves. Http://incolor.inetnebr.com/cyric/ <--My Website --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.3 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:06:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708080243.TAA21905@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Adam Casey wrote: > > The only problem I find with these, as I mentioned before is that the > > "Oktober" in "Oktober Guard" refers to the Oktober Revolution, which is > > when the communists took over. In this Brave New World where the Iron > > Curtain has come down and the USSR is no more, shouldn't they be called > > something else? > > "Oktober" should definetly be changed. Maybe call it the Russian > word for "protectors" or something. Protector Guard...sorta redundant, isn't it? > > BTW, I was thinking about Russia having an "elite anti-terrorist special > > missions force", and America having one (G.I. Joe) and I wwas thinking: > > there's a country who'd *REALLY* want one of those in the Joe Universe: > > ISRAEL. Why? Because Cobra on top of their other problems would be a > > real mess. > > > > So, I was thinking about creating an Israeli counterpart to the Joe Team. > > Any ideas, people? > > Well, you could have Septuagint, the Israeli Joe Team Rabbi. Oh, funny...what's his real name, Herman Neutics? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.4 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 23:09:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708080306.UAA03286@lists1.best.com> > > "Oktober" should definetly be changed. Maybe call it the Russian > > word for "protectors" or something. > > Protector Guard...sorta redundant, isn't it? > Nah.. call them Protectski or whatever. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.5 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Joes from the kid down the block Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:51:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199708072255.PAA02996@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199708080206.TAA02024@lists1.best.com> At 7:06 PM -0700 8/7/97, Adam Bernay wrote: >In case no one's ever posted this bit of info, it's illegal to send cash >through the mail. It's not recommended and is highly discouraged, but sending cash through mail is not illegal. Ask at the post office. You can send cash because it's not hazardous, but you have no proof of mailing and you can't insure it. Doesn't anyone remember the School House Rock?!?! That kid tried to buy a camera with cash through the mail, and he was out the money! They warned us to use money orders or checks. Back to the topic, by "cash", I'm sure Gerry meant that the kid wanted money as opposed to trade. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.6 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:51:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199708080132.SAA12175@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199708080221.TAA09382@lists1.best.com> At 7:21 PM -0700 8/7/97, Adam Bernay wrote: >On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 ACJ1717@aol.com wrote: > >> How about a few October Gaurd vehicle/figure sets >> (Diana and Sgt. Misha w/ a true to Scale Mi-24D Hind >> and Dragonsky and Lt. Gorky w/ a BMP or a T-72) >> Now come on, who wouldn't want those > >The only problem I find with these, as I mentioned before is that the >"Oktober" in "Oktober Guard" refers to the Oktober Revolution, which is >when the communists took over. In this Brave New World where the Iron >Curtain has come down and the USSR is no more, shouldn't they be called >something else? Well, they had Red Star in the comics after Perostroika, even though his name was a political embarassment. It'd still be fun to poke a stick at the Cold War, since the U.S.S.R. isn't around anymore to get offended. :) The Oktober Guard is such a great name, so many of us loved them back then, and we still love 'em now. I could see them using the name just as a code name for a Russian security team - especially considering the problems that Russia is having with rampant crime, nuclear weapons getting lost like Homer Simpson's car keys, and Gary Oldmans hijacking our president! :) And there're so many cool things to go with - the Hind would look SO COOL. Plus at least one of those six-wheeled transports that the OG were always rolling around in (anyone know what they're called?). Yeahhh... then the freedom loving peoples of the beloved motherland will be able to side with the Yankee capitalists in.... something or other. It sound so much cooler when Larry Hama writes it. :) >BTW, I was thinking about Russia having an "elite anti-terrorist special >missions force", and America having one (G.I. Joe) and I wwas thinking: >there's a country who'd *REALLY* want one of those in the Joe Universe: >ISRAEL. Why? Because Cobra on top of their other problems would be a >real mess. > >So, I was thinking about creating an Israeli counterpart to the Joe Team. >Any ideas, people? I think the better answer would be to have a few Israeli troops in G.I.Joe. Considering how close the two countries are militarily anyways, it'd be interesting to see an Israeli Commando or Israeli Paratrooper. Fighting side by side with Big Ben, Big Bear and Red Star, and Backstop. The problem with creating Israeli soldiers or an Israeli team is that the entire social/political situation in the Middle East is way too topical. There's a reason why there weren't Soviet action figures until the 1990s. I'd liken it to adding Timothy McVeigh as a Dreadnok Explosives Expert - way too topical. Realistic? A militant anti-government ex-Army militiaman would be a perfect fit for the Dreadnoks or Cobra. A little too real? Yup. But if we're just talking about the way G.I.Joe works (good god- I'm talking about them in real terms :) ), it's safe to say that the Joes trained with the Israelis and the Israelis trained with them. Snake Eyes used an Israeli submachine gun for 12 years. Chances are, SOMEONE had to introduce him to it. :) As for an Israeli Joe team, I can sum it up this way : CUSTOMS! Make custom figures of them! Heck - I made a Dreadnok who used to run with militamen and white supremacists (Dreadnok Gunner, codename: Thug) since they'll never make a character like that. And when they're done - someone get pics of them to Corey so we can all see 'em! -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.7 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: Re: Idea for custom. Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:56:38 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-07 23:53:17 EDT, you write: > > He was just wearing a trenchcoat. > > What was he, a flasher? LOL!!! Actually, I meant we can surmise that he wasn't wearing anything different from his older uniform than the trenchcoat and the previously discussed hat. Of course, people can change in 20 years too. Who knows where he was finding work in 2006? Brian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.8 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:58:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708080319.UAA10319@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Adam Casey wrote: > > > "Oktober" should definetly be changed. Maybe call it the Russian > > > word for "protectors" or something. > > > > Protector Guard...sorta redundant, isn't it? > > > > Nah.. call them Protectski or whatever. Even if it was the Russian word for Protector, it would still be redundant. What about the Russian translation of "Battle Stars" or something...anyone here know Russian? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.9 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: Outpost Defender guns? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Does anyone know if the Outpost Defender included any figure accessories? The photos for it in the mid-80s toy insert catalogs show some, but I've never heard of it including any. thanks Brian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.10 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Poo-poo to Python? Date: 07 Aug 97 13:19:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'day! Gee, nobody followed up on my 'Python' (Monty, not 'Patrol' :) tribute about the 'Eric' filecard... *sniff* (For those interested, I based that VERY loosely on an MP sketch entitled, "Fish Licence": 'I should like to buy a licence for me pet fish, Eric...') Maybe I'll just have to carry on my Python discussions elsewhere, hmm? *sigh* (faked, to cover a :-D ) Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.11 --------------- From: Eddie Beiles Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 03:14:35 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708080132.SAA12175@lists1.best.com> > How about a few October Gaurd vehicle/figure sets > (Diana and Sgt. Misha w/ a true to Scale Mi-24D Hind > and Dragonsky and Lt. Gorky w/ a BMP or a T-72) > Now come on, who wouldn't want those Which Oktober Gaurd figures came out in the old line? I have Red Star and Big Bear. Were there any others? Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.12 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:33:16 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708072047.NAA04157@lists1.best.com> Duane Burchell wrote: > > Hi again folks, > > > Ok gang. As far as I know there was the 4-part mini-series. > > (Issue #1 being released in 4 variations.) Then the regular series I > > believe ran for 8 issues. There was also a wall poster with the cover art > > of the very first #1. > > > > (please read on below) > > GI JOE EXTREME > > C > o > m > i > c > > S > p > o > i > l > e > r > > S > p > a > c > e > > 8 issues ?!!?? Ok, there have been many different answers to my question > so far. The last issue I have has the Joe commander (lt. Stone I believe) > face to face with a carbon copy of himself, each holding a gun under each > other's chin. In the episode, the 'Dopplegangers' are beaten, Red Scream > is unmasked and killed, and the Joe team is exhonourated (sp?). I have > not seen any issues after this one. If anybody has more issues, could > they please provide a description of the cover, and a brief outline of the > plot. It would be most appreciated. > > Later, > Duane Apparently there are... G.I. JOE #1 G.I. JOE #2 G.I. JOE #3 G.I. JOE #4 G.I. JOE II #1 G.I. JOE II #2 G.I. JOE II #3 G.I. JOE II #4 Looks like two sets to me. Both limited editions. If anyone has any and wants to give them to me free. Please do. :) ~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" UPDATED!!! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.13 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:36:34 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708072047.NAA04157@lists1.best.com> Duane Burchell wrote: > > Hi again folks, > > > Ok gang. As far as I know there was the 4-part mini-series. > > (Issue #1 being released in 4 variations.) Then the regular series I > > believe ran for 8 issues. There was also a wall poster with the cover art > > of the very first #1. > > > > (please read on below) > > GI JOE EXTREME > > C > o > m > i > c > > S > p > o > i > l > e > r > > S > p > a > c > e > > 8 issues ?!!?? Ok, there have been many different answers to my question > so far. The last issue I have has the Joe commander (lt. Stone I believe) > face to face with a carbon copy of himself, each holding a gun under each > other's chin. In the episode, the 'Dopplegangers' are beaten, Red Scream > is unmasked and killed, and the Joe team is exhonourated (sp?). I have > not seen any issues after this one. If anybody has more issues, could > they please provide a description of the cover, and a brief outline of the > plot. It would be most appreciated. > > Later, > Duane Dark Horse has back issues of GI JOE Extreme, at this site... http://www.dhorse.com/dhonline/backlist/INV_06_27.html#G I suggest you check it out if your interested in them. What was the TV show like? Any good? ~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" UPDATED!!! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.14 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Outpost Defender guns? Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 08:29:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:27 AM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know if the Outpost Defender included any figure accessories? > The photos for it in the mid-80s toy insert catalogs show some, but I've >never heard of it including any. > >thanks >Brian The blueprints for the Outpost Defender show that it has a crate that can hold three rifles. The description is vague so you don't know if the rifles came with the set or not. I have the set but can't honestly remember if the rifles came with it or not. Anyone know if the rifles came with the crate? The rifles shown in the blueprints are a Dragonov Cobra Officer rifle, an Airborne (1st) rifle, and a Grunt M-16. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.15 --------------- From: "Yuval T. Kerstein" Subject: just some stuff to say Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 16:32:35 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there People!!! Well, I haven't been on the list for a while so i have some stuff to say. A) I personally think that the new releases are great, both because at last there are new joes, and because the repaints are really cool. I would do some changes for starters Id include more Cobra stuff and take out the rage (why not a hiss or a stun?) also, id include figures like sgt slaughter and roadblock! I think that the new line has to consist of both new and remade old items, i mean i really wanna see a repainted Dragonfly or VAMP or something but also would like new concepts. although not to far out concepts, i mean i like to stick to the original line, i personally really dislike all the stuff that came up after 88/89 and my favourites are all before 86. so, the more original we are the better (for instance, i hate the new Zartan figure from 92, but love the first one). So i guess that in my mind the best is to go with the original figures with the original concepts and remake them AND create new toys on this background!!! I really like the idea of making new molds for great figs like the dreadnoks. B) about the repaints. First let me say that the stars and stripes is my favourite, its really awesome, but i dont really like the base they're standing on. the A-10 looks really promising, but kinda weird for some reason. I dont know what's all the fuz about duke's yellow shirt, as far as i remember, his shirt was Yellow in the cartoons, not Beige!!!, i think he's great! the cobra pack, i like it a lot, but still the baroness is better in her original suit, the arctic team looks cool as well, my choice would be to include more important characters than the above. the joe team - now here im a bit disappointed, I really like storm shadow, but i think that snake eyes could've been made better and i dont like Lady J's camo. C) About the Israeli anti terrorism force, as the only israeli on the list (i think)! i must say that we need one hack of a team and quite urgently i might add. i can suppply some cool hebrew names too. that's all for now!! bye Yuval Kerstein kyuval@netvision.net.il --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.16 --------------- From: Gary.DeVoe@UC.Edu Subject: Re: just some stuff to say Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 11:19:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 04:32 PM 8/8/97 +0300, you wrote: >C) About the Israeli anti terrorism force, as the only israeli on the >list (i think)! i must say that we need one hack of a team and quite >urgently i might add. >i can suppply some cool hebrew names too. > >that's all for now!! >bye >Yuval Kerstein Yo Joes: The titles "G.I.Joe" & "Oktober Guard" are code names that relate to elements that are specific to that team's country's history or culture. For an Israeli AT force how about "Masada Legion" , "Masada Corps", or maybe even the "Order of David"? -Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- "That's the problem with ninjas: they're never around when you need 'em, and when they are, they're never on your side." -G.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.17 --------------- From: "Gary W. DeVoe" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 11:28:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 09:39 AM 8/8/97 +1200, you wrote: >What else should be in a new GI Joe 3 3/4 line? > > Yo Joes: Howzabout figures of characters that were pivotal in the storyline development?...Hard Master, Soft Master, Billy, etc..... -Gary ******************************** The Southwest Oncology Group Solid Tumor Repository ******************************** Gary W. DeVoe devoegw@ucbeh.san.uc.edu The University of Cincinnati 231 Bethesda Avenue Cincinnati, Ohio 45267-0529 P:(513) 558-4675 F:(513) 558-2289 "I enjoyed my youth so much that I decided to bring it along with me..." -Garret Cogan ******************************** --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.18 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Questions I've had Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 11:41:48 EDT I have been saving up some questions, and here they are. 1. How did you buy your Battle Force 2000 figs? I got mine in double packages, and my friend got his single 2. Are the infamious Red-backed figs just vehicle drivers? Cause I have a Buzzer figure that I bought somewhere that has a Red-back. 3. The Brazilian Special Mission set, was Mainframe colored red in anyway? If he was, I saw this set a long time ago, and thought it was just a repaint set. 4. I just got GI Joe issue 123, and saw Thomas Wheeler's letter. How many other people on the list have been in Postbox the Pit? Thanks for any help u can give. Joe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.19 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 11:43:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708072047.NAA04157@lists1.best.com> <199708081138.EAA10057@lists1.best.com> > What was the TV show like? Any good? I caught a bit of today's episode. Man PEEEEEEEEEEEE-EWW! It was awful. Everyone had big shoulders and HUGE muscles. Awful drawing totally took it down the drain. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.20 --------------- From: johne Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:54:04 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708081138.EAA10057@lists1.best.com> > > Dark Horse has back issues of GI JOE Extreme, at this site... > > http://www.dhorse.com/dhonline/backlist/INV_06_27.html#G > > I suggest you check it out if your interested in them. > > What was the TV show like? Any good? > > ~~~Rod/Zartan The cartoon was definitely better than the DIC episodes. The action sequences in the first series wasn't bad. They did a decent job of tying in Sgt. Savage, and introduced a bunch of new characters in the second series. I also liked how each episode was related to the one shown before it. Otherwise it sucked. 8) John P. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.21 --------------- From: Michele Riggle Subject: Custom Hollingsworth Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:00:30 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Do any of you know how to make the pipe that General Hollingwarth smoked in the comic for a custom Hollingsworth. I have the figure made but need the pipe to make it complete. It's really simple figure but looks true to form. Thanks for any help, Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.22 --------------- From: johne Subject: Re: Questions I've had Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:02:01 -0600 (MDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708081544.IAA13054@lists1.best.com> > I have been saving up some questions, and here they are. > > 1. How did you buy your Battle Force 2000 figs? I got mine in double > packages, and my friend got his single > Battle Force 2000 was released on both single and double cards, though I can't remember which came first. > 2. Are the infamious Red-backed figs just vehicle drivers? Cause I have > a Buzzer figure that I bought somewhere that has a Red-back. All of the figures that were available by mail came with red-backs. I think Buzzer is a special case. Or what may have happened is the space behind the figure was colored red, and the rest of the card showing the Buzzer artwork was torn off. Of course I could be wrong. > > 3. The Brazilian Special Mission set, was Mainframe colored red in > anyway? If he was, I saw this set a long time ago, and thought it was > just a repaint set. In a way BSM was, but in a way it wasn't. Capt. Claymore was the only new character in the set. > > 4. I just got GI Joe issue 123, and saw Thomas Wheeler's letter. How > many other people on the list have been in Postbox the Pit? Not me. Though I think I only submitted two letters. > > Thanks for any help u can give. > > Joe > Sure thing. John P. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.23 --------------- From: "Julius Cooper" Subject: Re: Custom Hollingsworth Date: 08 Aug 97 13:44:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >pipe Hmm...howzabout you take a really thin drinking straw, melt it at one end, trim appropriately (but so as you still have a sealed bottom), and cut a piece off. That would serve for the bowl. For the stem, either take a piece of the remainder of the straw, slice open (lengthwise) so you could re-roll it, and make a small hole in the bowl to insert it into. Either that, or you could use a coffee stirrer for the stem--just cut it down to an appropriate length, and push through a hole in the bowl... OR, you could use a lollipop stem as the pipe stem, with a bit less effort... Finally, paint light brown/black/whatever color Hollingsworth's pipe was, and voila! You're done... Oh, and howzabout you post this here EZ recipe for us, Mr. Riggle...? Peace, Weasel Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.24 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Custom Hollingsworth Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 12:56:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:00 PM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Do any of you know how to make the pipe that General Hollingwarth smoked in >the comic for a custom Hollingsworth. I have the figure made but need the >pipe to make it complete. It's really simple figure but looks true to form. > >Thanks for any help, >Gabe Gabe, How about using some pieces cut from very small wooden dowels? They have these at the big craft stores like Michaels I think. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.25 --------------- From: Michele Riggle Subject: Re: Custom Hollingsworth Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:05:40 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:44 PM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >>pipe > >Hmm...howzabout you take a really thin drinking straw, melt it at one end, >trim appropriately (but so as you still have a sealed bottom), and cut a >piece off. That would serve for the bowl. For the stem, either take a >piece of the remainder of the straw, slice open (lengthwise) so you could >re-roll it, and make a small hole in the bowl to insert it into. Either >that, or you could use a coffee stirrer for the stem--just cut it down to >an appropriate length, and push through a hole in the bowl... OR, you >could use a lollipop stem as the pipe stem, with a bit less effort... > >Finally, paint light brown/black/whatever color Hollingsworth's pipe was, >and voila! You're done... > >Oh, and howzabout you post this here EZ recipe for us, Mr. Riggle...? > > >Peace, > Weasel >Julius Cooper ORACLE Corporation, Indianapolis Information Coordinator >Phone: 317.879.8799/228.4027//This is just me talking, just for myself, okay? > "Ability is nothing without opportunity." --Napoleon Bonaparte > > Thanks for the advice on the pipe. Here's is how to make the fig. Really simple, just put Tundra Stalker's head on General Flagg's body and cover Stalker's hat with Flagg's. I thought it looked cool. Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.26 --------------- From: Michele Riggle Subject: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:09:44 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Al Swackhammer, I lost your email address. Please email me. Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.27 --------------- From: RodneyJag@aol.com Subject: Dark Horse G.I. Joe Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:14:03 -0400 (EDT) No wonder the cover to # 1 was so good, it was done by Frank Miller. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.28 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:46:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get your hands on Special missions 5 or 6. The Israeli special forces make an appearance. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Bernay [SMTP:abernay@psnw.com] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 1997 10:22 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 ACJ1717@aol.com wrote: > How about a few October Gaurd vehicle/figure sets > (Diana and Sgt. Misha w/ a true to Scale Mi-24D Hind > and Dragonsky and Lt. Gorky w/ a BMP or a T-72) > Now come on, who wouldn't want those The only problem I find with these, as I mentioned before is that the "Oktober" in "Oktober Guard" refers to the Oktober Revolution, which is when the communists took over. In this Brave New World where the Iron Curtain has come down and the USSR is no more, shouldn't they be called something else? BTW, I was thinking about Russia having an "elite anti-terrorist special missions force", and America having one (G.I. Joe) and I wwas thinking: there's a country who'd *REALLY* want one of those in the Joe Universe: ISRAEL. Why? Because Cobra on top of their other problems would be a real mess. So, I was thinking about creating an Israeli counterpart to the Joe Team. Any ideas, people? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.29 --------------- From: Tony Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:26:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:35 PM 8/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:22 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >> I was just wondering if any of you guys thought that the idea Hasbro >>had when the 4 1/2 in Joes came out was good. You know, having ONLY new >>characters. Personally, I think that the idea was good, but the only thing >>I'd change is I'd keep some of the major players(Hawk, Duke, Flint, Snake >>Eyes, Scarlett, maybe Rock'n Roll). The rest of the people, I would make >>new. I'd also like to see Sgt. Savage(only him, not his squad) and Lt. >>Stone, but in a new capacity in the new 3 3/4 line. >> >>Tony > > I hated the size change. Sgt. Savage in 3 3/4" would have been more >interesting. I would have went for just about any new characters in the 3 >3/4" same articulation format. But, I *really* hated the size change. Yuck! > Who didn't hate the size change??? Tony --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n246.30 --------------- From: Tony Subject: Sgt. Savage (was Re: Joes: New characters) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:30:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:10 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: > >On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Corey D. Stinson wrote: > >> At 02:22 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >> > I was just wondering if any of you guys thought that the idea Hasbro >> >had when the 4 1/2 in Joes came out was good. You know, having ONLY new >> >characters. Personally, I think that the idea was good, but the only thing >> >I'd change is I'd keep some of the major players(Hawk, Duke, Flint, Snake >> >Eyes, Scarlett, maybe Rock'n Roll). The rest of the people, I would make >> >new. I'd also like to see Sgt. Savage(only him, not his squad) and Lt. >> >Stone, but in a new capacity in the new 3 3/4 line. >> >> I hated the size change. Sgt. Savage in 3 3/4" would have been more >> interesting. I would have went for just about any new characters in the 3 >> 3/4" same articulation format. But, I *really* hated the size change. Yuck! > >Now I'm confused...Sgt Savage wasn't a 3 3/4"? I thought he was a regular >Joe size, but set in WWII. > > >Adam Bernay > I just came up with an idea. Why don't they continue the Sgt. Savage line in 3 3/4 format? Maybe make a comic book out of it. Who knows, we might get to see the fathers/mothers/sisters/brothers of the Joes we've all com to know and love! Tony --------------- END gijoe.v001.n246 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n247 -------------- 001 - Tony Subject: Hasbro & this list Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:34:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hasbro should be getting these ideas from us, then they'll be a chance that they'll make it. Tony --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.2 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Toyfare Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 09:42:52 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708081702.KAA15822@lists1.best.com> johne wrote: > > > > > Dark Horse has back issues of GI JOE Extreme, at this site... > > > > http://www.dhorse.com/dhonline/backlist/INV_06_27.html#G > > > > I suggest you check it out if your interested in them. > > > > What was the TV show like? Any good? > > > > ~~~Rod/Zartan > > The cartoon was definitely better than the DIC episodes. The > action sequences in the first series wasn't bad. They did a decent job of > tying in Sgt. Savage, and introduced a bunch of new characters in the > second series. I also liked how each episode was related to the one > shown before it. > Otherwise it sucked. 8) > John P. Those DIC episodes must have sucked pretty hard then. I'll have to look at covering GI JOE extreme on my upcoming site. Does anyone have an episode list of the show at hand, or wants to trade tapes with me? I prefer series' that progress, ie you can figure out where each episode is because each one builds on the last. This was absent in most of the Marvel/Sunbow cartoons, which focussed mainly on battles and selling figures. ~~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" UPDATED!!! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.3 --------------- From: Tony Subject: GI Joe theme Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:01:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm looking for the GI Joe theme from the first series in .wav format. Also, if anyone has the movie theme in .wav format, please e-mail me. Thanks, Tony --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.4 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Hasbro & this list Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 17:50:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708082130.OAA04305@lists1.best.com> > Hasbro should be getting these ideas from us, then they'll be a chance that > they'll make it. I doubt Hasbro has enough space on their online director's hard drive to handle the mail generated by their web sites, fan lists like these and other Hasbro products, plus junk mail. Sending an idea to Hasbro might help but, I doubt one voice (even if the voice is made up for 100+ people) will do it. adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.5 --------------- From: Rerun1138@aol.com Subject: Re: Editorial Glitches (was Re: Digest gijoe.v001.n240) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:16:00 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-03 13:02:51 EDT, you write: << James McFadden discussed the race discrepancy with General Hollingsworth. The character was originally meant to be African American. He was loosely based on A.C. Hollingsworth, an animation arts teacher at the High School Of Art and Design in NYC. The coloring glitches in the comic occured because every time there was an editorial change at Marvel, somebody who knew nothing about all the characters took over the book. It takes a long time for the uninitiated to glom onto all the characters-- Some editors never did. Most editors made it a point to have me go over all the pages and coloring guides before the book went out. A few (the minority) felt that it violated their authority-- they were the very ones who never bothered to learn the characters and back story. I always meant him to be an Army general, as I felt that the JOES were basically an army unit with certain specialists on TDY from other branches. Coloring glitches happen all too often. A particularly onerous one is in G.I. Joe #21, "Silent Interlude" In the scene where Storm Shadow pays a visit to Scarlett in her cell, the trapdoor in the ceiling is miscolored in the last panel of the sequence to appear open. It should be closed. Larry Hama >> I first began to notice the editorial mistakes toward the last couple years of the series' run (when it seemed a new editor would take over every couple issues). Now, when I go back over my old issues, I see they were always present, it's just that I didn't really start to notice them until I became old enough to realize that a comic was made by real people, who could make mistakes. At this time I also began to realize that Marvel's treatment of the comic (shifting of editors, marketing of GI Joe as a kiddie book) was a little disgusting. This just further impresses me to Mr. Hama's dedication to producing such a fine comic, even when that dedication seemed to be shared by few others (except the fans). I remember one blaring error in a pre-issue 1 flashback in issue 144 where some cobra troops were wearing Viper, Tele-Viper, and Toxo-Viper II uniforms, some 5-10 years before they should have been. Of course a mistake at the penciling/inking stage would be much harder to correct than a coloring error even if it was caught, but such errors seemed to pretty characteristic at this time in the comic's history. These mistakes certainly weren't enough to turn me off from the comic, but when one person put so much effort into it, and others, at times, would put a minimul effort into it, it was a little disapointing. As for the error in issue 21, I can imagine how annoying that would be, simply because that issue was so beautiful. Both it and 26 played out like carefully orchestarted pieces of art. When a storyteller can relate his ideas not only through literary but also visual means, the result can be quite amazing. No other artist could relay Mr. Hama's ideas as well as the man himself. Each page of those two issues is a masterpiece. Each one could be hung on a wall. Despite the fairly repetive barriers to producing a superior product, Mr. Hama and company succeeded on virtually all occasions. That is quite a task and a testimony to what dedication and love of one's work can turn out. -Ed Mundy --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.6 --------------- From: Rerun1138@aol.com Subject: Hogan the Pilot (GI Joe #26) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) I was rereading GI Joe 26 and I noticed something that piqued my interest. During the flashback in Vietnam, right after Snake-Eyes is shot and Storm Shadow goes back for him, Stalker comments that he expected the helicopter pilot to take off then and there. But instead, the pilot (and the gunner) began to lay cover for Snake and Stormy. In effect, the pilot's decision to stay saved their lives. I probably wouldn't have thought more about this, except that the pilot's name was clearly visible: "Hogan." Now, virtually every character in this story turns out to be significant (like Zartan and Firefly, for example). Even characters who don't actually appear (like the "three" who didn't make it, one of whom was Wade Collins) or the "hostage" rescue in 27 (George Strawhacker) show up later as important characters. It seemed rather odd to me, then, that this character would be named and would save Snake and Stormy's lives, then just disappear. Is it possible that this is a character who showed up at some other time in the series? Does anyone have the file name Hogan? It also occurs to me that the only villain in the "present day" aspect of the story who was never directly tied to Snake-Eyes' origin was Wild Weasel - a pilot! You don't think... It certainly couldn't be... Or could it... -Ed --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.7 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Hogan the Pilot (GI Joe #26) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:14:11 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708082235.PAA20287@lists1.best.com> What about the Stealth Fighter Pilot? Good old 'What's his name' ? Things that make you go hmmm..... Later, Duane > I was rereading GI Joe 26 and I noticed something that piqued my interest. > During the flashback in Vietnam, right after Snake-Eyes is shot and Storm > Shadow goes back for him, Stalker comments that he expected the helicopter > pilot to take off then and there. But instead, the pilot (and the gunner) > began to lay cover for Snake and Stormy. In effect, the pilot's decision to > stay saved their lives. I probably wouldn't have thought more about this, > except that the pilot's name was clearly visible: "Hogan." Now, virtually > every character in this story turns out to be significant (like Zartan and > Firefly, for example). Even characters who don't actually appear (like the > "three" who didn't make it, one of whom was Wade Collins) or the "hostage" > rescue in 27 (George Strawhacker) show up later as important characters. It > seemed rather odd to me, then, that this character would be named and would > save Snake and Stormy's lives, then just disappear. Is it possible that this > is a character who showed up at some other time in the series? Does anyone > have the file name Hogan? It also occurs to me that the only villain in the > "present day" aspect of the story who was never directly tied to Snake-Eyes' > origin was Wild Weasel - a pilot! You don't think... It certainly couldn't > be... > > Or could it... > > -Ed > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.8 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: Various (too many to mention) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:58:06 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708080243.TAA21972@lists1.best.com> On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 gijoe-errors@lists.best.com wrote: Regarding the DH comics: > > Ok gang. As far as I know there was the 4-part mini-series. > (Issue #1 being released in 4 variations.) Then the regular series I > believe ran for 8 issues. There was also a wall poster with the cover art > of the very first #1. > > John P. > > P.S. The artwork was good. Really I think it was more the print quality > than anything. > O.K., Now THAT is definetly wrong. The regular series did not run over a maximum of 5. I know. I'm embarassed to admit it, but I bought them all. Like I said, it may have been only four. I will check this out and post it tomorrow, to put this issue to rest. And about the art, well... some wasn't too bad, some sucked, and the one in the very last issue was actually good (the section when a misterious soldier is shown a movie taken in a pacific island in the 70's or 60's) Regarding Sgt. Savage: Corey wrote: > > I hated the size change. Sgt. Savage in 3 3/4" would have been more > interesting. I would have went for just about any new characters in the 3 > 3/4" same articulation format. But, I *really* hated the size change. Yuck! I agree. This happened just after Kenner took over G.I. JOE. That was no coincidence. Besides, their vehicles weren't nearly as detailed as the old 3 3/4". Although I would have liked to see the warhawk and panther as 3 3/4" vehicles (done a little more carefully). By the way, I have the cartoon pilot that came with the first Sgt. Savage (inferior quality than the sunbow cartoons, but better than DIC's), and I was wondering if they ever made any more? Going back to sgt. savage toys, you must admit that after seeing the statues (I'm sorry, but I can't call something that barely moves at all a toy) of the EXTREME line, Sgt. Savage looked GOOD. Adam wrote: > Now I'm confused...Sgt Savage wasn't a 3 3/4"? I thought he was a regular > Joe size, but set in WWII. > Adam Bernay He wasn't set in WWII, he was in suspended animation since WWII and awakened in present day by the joe team. Regarding "cash through the mail": > On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > > > In case no one's ever posted this bit of info, it's illegal to send cash > > > through the mail. > > > > And???????? > > And...it's illegal...what do you mean "And????????" Is it legal to send cash through UPS? Not that it would get far with the strike and all... Seriously now, don't you guys think you're getting a little off topic here? New topic now: I was looking at Space Brigade FX today and thought to myself: "What an ugly sonova...." And realized that he not only looks like a bad guy (check his haircut, for instance), he is also wearing a suit that hardly looks like a space suit. It doesn't have any gloves, it has a vest with pokets and his boots look like they've got straps and buckles on them. Not to mention the poor color choice of his whole uniform. I tried to find out if it was a repainted cobra, but couldn't find a match in De Simone's guides. Any ideas? Rod "Avenger" Pellegrini KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.9 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: GI Joe theme Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 13:18:02 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708082157.OAA10712@lists1.best.com> Tony wrote: > > I'm looking for the GI Joe theme from the first series in .wav format. Also, > if anyone has the movie theme in .wav format, please e-mail me. > > Thanks, > > Tony Go here. http://soundamerica.com/sounds/themes/Cartoons/E-I/ You'll find all the GI JOE themes and more at this site Tony. Thought others might be interested too, so here you go. ~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" UPDATED!! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.10 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Custom Hollingsworth Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:38:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >pipe How about looking around at "miniature" store, you know the places that sell stuff for doll houses and stuff? They might have something close to the right size.... Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.11 --------------- From: Benjamin Thomas Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:47:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708081534.IAA09053@lists1.best.com> Gary W. DeVoe wrote: > > At 09:39 AM 8/8/97 +1200, you wrote: > >What else should be in a new GI Joe 3 3/4 line? > > > > > Yo Joes: > Howzabout figures of characters that were pivotal in the storyline > development?...Hard Master, Soft Master, Billy, etc..... Though I would really like to see a Billy figure, especially in his Cobra uniform from the last days of the comic, I would prefer to see no ninjas released other than the ones on the list now (I don't consider Zartan a ninja) and POSSIBLY new versions of Slice and Dice (I have new designs for them that are beyond my customization abilities to realize). As for what I would like to see, I would enjoy more non-combat character figures. Though I think that they wouldn't sell well as individual figures, I think they could work well with another idea that came to mind earlier today: mission sets. I visited the Jimmy Carter Center in Georgia today, and the gift shop had "3-D" puzzles of the White House and the Capitol, and coupled with my thoughts about the new fanfic in Corey's newsletter, I imagined having a White House set that could include a President figure as well as maybe a Secret Service agent or two. Maybe that's stepping into 12" territory too much, but I think it could work. I'm also in favor of international squads, and that is an idea that I will explore in my fanfic, especially with the United Kingdom. The Hind is a must for the (Oktober) Guard! Ben Thomas, BIThomas@worldnet.att.net > > -Gary > ******************************** > The Southwest Oncology Group > Solid Tumor Repository > ******************************** > Gary W. DeVoe > devoegw@ucbeh.san.uc.edu --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.12 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Various (too many to mention) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:04:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Going back to sgt. savage toys, you must admit that after seeing the >statues (I'm sorry, but I can't call something that barely moves at all a >toy) of the EXTREME line, Sgt. Savage looked GOOD. > Yes, compared to Extreme Sgt. Savage is a good toy which I why I'm glad I picked them all up eventually. No matter how cheap Extreme goes on clearance they will never find a place in my collection though. Shame Shame Kenner. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.13 --------------- From: ACJ1717@aol.com Subject: Re: Oktober Guard ( was: Re: Joes: New characters) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Actually it is Special Missions #2, very cool story line...too tired to type up a summary --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.14 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 17:46:09 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708081534.IAA09053@lists1.best.com> <199708090248.TAA20572@lists1.best.com> I've always felt the GI JOE team should have a few more international characters on its roster. After all, COBRA is trying to conquer the world not just the US. And the US is not the only country on Earth. There have been very few British members, and quite often they are portrayed stereotypically and not realistically. Secret agents are often associated with Britain due to the success of James Bond and successful shows like The Avengers. If your going to turn your eye towards internationalism and especially the often overlooked British Isles, please try something other than the secret agent genre. How about a british top gun pilot. Or a grunt. Maybe I should shut up now. ~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" UPDATED!!! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html Benjamin Thomas wrote: > > > Though I would really like to see a Billy figure, especially in his > Cobra uniform from the last days of the comic, I would prefer to see no > ninjas released other than the ones on the list now (I don't consider > Zartan a ninja) and POSSIBLY new versions of Slice and Dice (I have new > designs for them that are beyond my customization abilities to realize). > > As for what I would like to see, I would enjoy more non-combat character > figures. Though I think that they wouldn't sell well as individual > figures, I think they could work well with another idea that came to > mind earlier today: mission sets. I visited the Jimmy Carter Center in > Georgia today, and the gift shop had "3-D" puzzles of the White House > and the Capitol, and coupled with my thoughts about the new fanfic in > Corey's newsletter, I imagined having a White House set that could > include a President figure as well as maybe a Secret Service agent or > two. Maybe that's stepping into 12" territory too much, but I think it > could work. > > I'm also in favor of international squads, and that is an idea that I > will explore in my fanfic, especially with the United Kingdom. The Hind > is a must for the (Oktober) Guard! > > Ben Thomas, BIThomas@worldnet.att.net > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.15 --------------- From: Eddie Beiles Subject: Re: Questions I've had Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:12:22 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708081544.IAA13054@lists1.best.com> > > 2. Are the infamious Red-backed figs just vehicle drivers? Cause I have > a Buzzer figure that I bought somewhere that has a Red-back. I have Storm Shadow, Destro, Firefly, Scrap Iron, Baroness, and a Cobra Soilder with red-back file cards. I received these figures for Christmas in 84 (I think). They were a special 6-pack available from Sears. There was a similar set of Joes. But I did not get it, so I don't know who was in it, but they too probably had red backs Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.16 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708090546.WAA06300@lists1.best.com> On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Rod Hannah wrote: > I've always felt the GI JOE team should have a few more international > characters on its roster. After all, COBRA is trying to conquer the > world not just the US. And the US is not the only country on Earth. The problem with that is that the GI JOE team is an *AMERICAN* military force. The other countries have their own. While I could see the different groups working together, the way in real life our military works with other NATO forces and the UN Peace Forces, a unified team would not work realistically. I had a similar problem with the Joe Team itself, because people of the different military branches would not be under a unified command for an extended period like that. The way I would've done it would be to have three teams, Land, Sea, and Air. The Land Team would be Army personnel, the Sea Team would be Naval and Marine personnel, and the Air Team would be Air Force personnel. Each team would be commanded by the senior officer of that military branch, and the overall commander would either be the senior Team Commander or another officer assigned by (and reporting to) the US Joint Chiefs of Staff. The individual Teams would perform some missions on their own when appropriate, and then work together when necessary. This would've worked well for Hasbro, because they could've had more characters on the animated series, since there would've been eps with just the individual Teams (and in which you'd need a full compliment of personnel) and eps with the whole GI Joe Force would've featured some of each Team. Thereby getting more characters airtime and getting more figures sold... Ya see, it works in all directions! In fact, when the organization of the new "GI JOE" fan club gets more in-depth, which I now have more time to do now that my hectic summer semester is over, that's the organization I plan to use. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.17 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:57:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I had a similar problem with the Joe Team itself, because people of the > different military branches would not be under a unified command for an > extended period like that. The way I would've done it would be to have > three teams, Land, Sea, and Air. The Land Team would be Army > personnel, the Sea Team would be Naval and Marine personnel, and the Air > Team would be Air Force personnel. Each team would be commanded by the > senior officer of that military branch, and the overall commander would > either be the senior Team Commander or another officer assigned by (and > reporting to) the US Joint Chiefs of Staff. The individual Teams would > perform some missions on their own when appropriate, and then work > together when necessary. I think you've missed the point of the 3 3/4 line. It was not meant to resemble the real military, but was developed in it's own sort of "universe". It was an all-encompassing group of "specialists", designed to combat a fictional terrorist group. It was aimed at kids, who had no concept of the actual "rank & file", and just wanted to play w/ these cool toys. If you want more realistic "teams" and "personnel", etc....the 12" line would probably be more to your taste. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.18 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708091654.JAA04781@lists1.best.com> On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > I think you've missed the point of the 3 3/4 line. It was not meant to > resemble the real military, but was developed in it's own sort of > "universe". It was an all-encompassing group of "specialists", designed to > combat a fictional terrorist group. It was aimed at kids, who had no > concept of the actual "rank & file", and just wanted to play w/ these cool > toys. If you want more realistic "teams" and "personnel", etc....the 12" > line would probably be more to your taste. I got the point. Hasbro's point was "these are kids, how are they to know if we don't tell them, so let's not spend the five extra minutes to be accurate and a little creative and come up with something realistic." Kids don't know because they aren't taught. Maybe if the folks at Hasbro had decided to take the little extra time and been accurate about this, maybe kids would've learned something. I don't mind war toys. When designed and used effectively, they both provide profit for their parent company and teach kids a healthy respect for the military. When played down to the "kiddie" level, it stops at being a profit-earner. Kids will come up to a higher level if the material is put in front of them. I loved the toys and the shows, and also the comic books. My looking back and saying, "This could've been done slightly better" does not diminish that. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.19 --------------- From: RodneyJag@aol.com Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:46:29 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-09 13:41:04 EDT, you write: << I got the point. Hasbro's point was "these are kids, how are they to know if we don't tell them, so let's not spend the five extra minutes to be accurate and a little creative and come up with something realistic." Kids don't know because they aren't taught. Maybe if the folks at Hasbro had decided to take the little extra time and been accurate about this, maybe kids would've learned something. I don't mind war toys. When designed and used effectively, they both provide profit for their parent company and teach kids a healthy respect for the military. When played down to the "kiddie" level, it stops at being a profit-earner. Kids will come up to a higher level if the material is put in front of them. I loved the toys and the shows, and also the comic books. My looking back and saying, "This could've been done slightly better" does not diminish that. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee >> Amens to that. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.20 --------------- From: Tony Subject: Re: GI Joe theme Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:39:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:18 PM 8/9/97 +1200, you wrote: >Tony wrote: >> >> I'm looking for the GI Joe theme from the first series in .wav format. Also, >> if anyone has the movie theme in .wav format, please e-mail me. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tony > > >Go here. > >http://soundamerica.com/sounds/themes/Cartoons/E-I/ > >You'll find all the GI JOE themes and more at this site Tony. Thought >others might be interested too, so here you go. > >~~~Rod/Zartan > >"Zartan's Domain" UPDATED!! >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html > Thanks for the link! Tony --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.21 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:46:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I got the point. Hasbro's point was "these are kids, how are they to know > if we don't tell them, so let's not spend the five extra minutes to be > accurate and a little creative and come up with something realistic." A little creative, and come up with something realistic? Kind of an oxymoron, wouldn't you say? >Kids don't know because they aren't taught. Maybe if the folks at Hasbro >had decided to take the little extra time and been accurate about this, >maybe kids would've learned something. Personally, I'm not concerned that the figures aren't accurate. Again, that's what the 12" line was all about. Sure, as a kid, I knew that alot of this stuff didn't actually happen in the military....but I didn't care. And I still don't. I hope Hasbro continues with the fictional universe they worked so hard to "creatively create"; while at the same time, I hope they don't take it to the level that it was taken to in the 1990s, w/ all the space-suits, and neon colors..... The fist 6 or 7 series were 'feasable', yet creative. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n247.22 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:42:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708091943.MAA11012@lists1.best.com> On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > I got the point. Hasbro's point was "these are kids, how are they to > know > > if we don't tell them, so let's not spend the five extra minutes to be > > accurate and a little creative and come up with something realistic." > > A little creative, and come up with something realistic? Kind of an > oxymoron, wouldn't you say? Not at all. Are you implying creativity can't be realisitic? Have you ever read, for example, the literary works of Tom Clancy or W.E.B. Griffin? > >Kids don't know because they aren't taught. Maybe if the folks at Hasbro > >had decided to take the little extra time and been accurate about this, > >maybe kids would've learned something. > > Personally, I'm not concerned that the figures aren't accurate. Again, > that's what the 12" line was all about. No, the 12" line was not about being militarily accurate. It was militarily accurate, but that's not what it was about. Do you understand the difference. > Sure, as a kid, I knew that alot > of this stuff didn't actually happen in the military....but I didn't care. > And I still don't. I hope Hasbro continues with the fictional universe > they worked so hard to "creatively create"; while at the same time, I hope > they don't take it to the level that it was taken to in the 1990s, w/ all > the space-suits, and neon colors..... The fist 6 or 7 series were > 'feasable', yet creative. Why couldn't they continue in their fictional universe but still have a realistic command structure? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- END gijoe.v001.n247 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n248 -------------- 001 - BRubino316@aol.com - Re: Sgt. Slaughter 002 - Rod Hannah - Sears Six-Pack (was Re: Questions I've had) 011 - Eugene - Re: Joes: New characters 012 - "Travis L. Rodgers" - Re: Joes: New characters 019 - Rod Hannah - Re: Questions 023 - joe1635@juno.com (Joe M G - Impel Set Prices 024 - Adam Bernay > He is still in the WWF; he now manages a new guy, but I forget his name. BR --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.2 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:10:39 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708091943.MAA11012@lists1.best.com> Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > > I got the point. Hasbro's point was "these are kids, how are they to > know > > if we don't tell them, so let's not spend the five extra minutes to be > > accurate and a little creative and come up with something realistic." > > A little creative, and come up with something realistic? Kind of an > oxymoron, wouldn't you say? > > >Kids don't know because they aren't taught. Maybe if the folks at Hasbro > >had decided to take the little extra time and been accurate about this, > >maybe kids would've learned something. > > Personally, I'm not concerned that the figures aren't accurate. Again, > that's what the 12" line was all about. Sure, as a kid, I knew that alot > of this stuff didn't actually happen in the military....but I didn't care. > And I still don't. I hope Hasbro continues with the fictional universe > they worked so hard to "creatively create"; while at the same time, I hope > they don't take it to the level that it was taken to in the 1990s, w/ all > the space-suits, and neon colors..... The fist 6 or 7 series were > 'feasable', yet creative. > > Travis L. Rodgers > trodger@arkansas.net > http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ I agree there. I think Hasbro should be told of this. I disliked all the neon colors and space stuff as well, prefering the earlier lines. But is Hasbro aware that these aren't popular? Would they just start making them again if the toyline started once more? I also think your right about the Joe being a fictional universe, and not so tied down to the real facts of life. I see them as a "highly trained team of specialists" rather than a completely military operation. But more info on how they operate would be nice. Does it defy the whole concept to have a few more international members? Whats the British version of G.I. Joe. The thing is you barely ever see a specialisst team in the JOE universe other than the Joes, even on international missions. It seems to me that they're pretty much an international protection force against Cobra, so what would be wrong with a couple of foriegners with an important position on the team? I'm not an american. I'm a kiwi. How about G.I. Joe - A Real International Hero! Okay, I'll shut up now :) ~~~~Rod/Zartan --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.3 --------------- From: snap_man@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Questions I've had Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:39:26 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> 2. Are the infamious Red-backed figs just vehicle drivers? Cause I have >> a Buzzer figure that I bought somewhere that has a Red-back. > >I have Storm Shadow, Destro, Firefly, Scrap Iron, Baroness, and a Cobra >Soilder with red-back file cards. I received these figures for Christmas >in 84 (I think). They were a special 6-pack available from Sears. > >There was a similar set of Joes. But I did not get it, so I don't know >who was in it, but they too probably had red backs > > >Eddie I remember receiving a six-pack of Joes years ago. It came with Roadblock, Ripcord, Gung-Ho, Recondo, Mutt/Junkyard, and Spirit/Freedom. This might be the set you're thinking about. ______ __ ______ ______ __ __ __ ________ ______ __ / ____//\ / // __ // __ // // // // _ _ // __ //\ / / / /___ / \ / // /_/ // /_/ // // // // // // // /_/ // \ / / /___ // /\ \/ // __ // ____//_//_//_// // // // __ // /\ \/ / ____/ // / \ // / / // / __ __ __ / // // // / / // / \ / /_____//_/ \//_/ /_//_/ /_//_//_//_//_//_//_/ /_//_/ \/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.4 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:59:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Adam Bernay > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: Joes: New characters > Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 4:42 PM > > > On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > > > I got the point. Hasbro's point was "these are kids, how are they to > > know > > > if we don't tell them, so let's not spend the five extra minutes to be > > > accurate and a little creative and come up with something realistic." > > > > A little creative, and come up with something realistic? Kind of an > > oxymoron, wouldn't you say? > > Not at all. Are you implying creativity can't be realisitic? Have you > ever read, for example, the literary works of Tom Clancy or W.E.B. > Griffin? Yes, I have read Clancy. I enjoy realistic military themes. I also enjoy Hasbro's FICTIONAL REALM. There are many "realistic realms" that you can very easily partake of if unsatisfied w/ the "3 3/4 Joe Universe". Let's face it. Nothing about Cobra was very realistic. If you wanted complete reality, try those little 2" plastic army men (like from Toy Story.....). > No, the 12" line was not about being militarily accurate. It was > militarily accurate, but that's not what it was about. Do you understand > the difference. Yes. The current 12" line is about being accurate, as is the collecting world around it. I do understand the difference....do you? > Why couldn't they continue in their fictional universe but still have a > realistic command structure? Again, I say that the G.I. Joe Team, is just that....a Team. It is one cohesive unit, working on different problems together. That is the WHOLE POINT behind G.I. Joe (3 3/4). It is not about several seperate teams, w/ different command structures....and a "realistic command structure" would dampen that theme. The GREAT thing about G.I.Joe, was you never knew who would be teaming up next! Anyone was possible. That's G.I. Joe. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.5 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:53:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708092211.PAA22439@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Rod Hannah wrote: > I agree there. I think Hasbro should be told of this. I disliked all > the neon colors and space stuff as well, prefering the earlier lines. > But is Hasbro aware that these aren't popular? Would they just start > making them again if the toyline started once more? Here I agree. > I also think your right about the Joe being a fictional universe, and > not so tied down to the real facts of life. I see them as a "highly > trained team of specialists" rather than a completely military > operation. But more info on how they operate would be nice. The Joe Team has been established to be a part of the U.S. military establishment. First and foremost, the Joes are members of their individual service branches. It's what identifies them, it's a part of who they are. I am only saying that this is the way it would operate in real life, and therefore the way I expect it would operate. > Does it defy the whole concept to have a few more international > members? Yes, see the first sentence of the above paragraph. > Whats the British version of G.I. Joe. In real life, I'd say the closest equivalent would be the Brit's Special Air Service. However, "Action Force" exists as a term in the Joe genre. It makes sense to me that a team of Brit military personnel called "Action Force" exists, and it was established with the assistance of GI Joe. There is real life analogues to this. For example, the US Army trained and equipped the Greeks to counter the Russian-backed Communist Rebels shortly after WWII. Also, that was what was supposed to happen in Vietnam. While we all may have problems with what happened in Nam, I can tell you the concept worked in Greece. > The thing is you barely ever see a specialisst team in the JOE universe > other than the Joes, even on international missions. It seems to me > that they're pretty much an international protection force against > Cobra, so what would be wrong with a couple of foriegners with an > important position on the team? > > I'm not an american. I'm a kiwi. How about G.I. Joe - A Real > International Hero! Okay, I'll shut up now :) I have a two word answer here: the Oktober Guard. It's been established that different groups exist to fight Cobra. Yes, the Joe Team is the most powerful, best-trained, best-equipped, so they go in to help other countries sometimes. The U.S. military does the exact same thing without being an international force. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.6 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:58:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708092257.PAA04655@lists1.best.com> On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > Yes, I have read Clancy. I enjoy realistic military themes. I also enjoy > Hasbro's FICTIONAL REALM. There are many "realistic realms" that you can > very easily partake of if unsatisfied w/ the "3 3/4 Joe Universe". Let's > face it. Nothing about Cobra was very realistic. If you wanted complete > reality, try those little 2" plastic army men (like from Toy Story.....). I think you are very wrong here. Cobra is actually quite realistic in terms of the direction terrorism is going in the world, the direction its been going for quite some time. Cobra is like a more powerful and higher-funded version of the Palestine Liberation Organization with a larger scope of conquest ideals. BTW, who the heck do you think you are to tell me how to partake in Joe fandom? > > Why couldn't they continue in their fictional universe but still have a > > realistic command structure? > > Again, I say that the G.I. Joe Team, is just that....a Team.. It is one > cohesive unit, working on different problems together. That is the WHOLE > POINT behind G.I. Joe (3 3/4). It is not about several seperate teams, w/ > different command structures....and a "realistic command structure" would > dampen that theme. The GREAT thing about G.I.Joe, was you never knew who > would be teaming up next! Anyone was possible. That's G.I. Joe. I think you are wrong here. First off, they operated with this concept a lot anyway. Look at the times when they were doing ocean operations. Who were the people doing most of the work? Shipwreck, Deep Six, Wet Suit, Torpedo, Leatherneck, andd Admiral Keel-Haul. Secondly, I'm talking about improving the concept. What's the problem with that? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.7 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:53:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think you are very wrong here. Cobra is actually quite realistic in > terms of the direction terrorism is going in the world, the direction its > been going for quite some time. Cobra is like a more powerful and > higher-funded version of the Palestine Liberation Organization with a > larger scope of conquest ideals. > > BTW, who the heck do you think you are to tell me how to partake in Joe > fandom? It's cute how you tell me I'm "very" wrong in two different paragraphs, and then critisize me for implying that I dissagree w/ your position. I never told YOU how to "partake in Joe fandom", You seem to have a knack at telling everyone how wrong they are.......and expecting your opinions to be 'taken'. You are welcome to your opinion. I am only discussing the current topic, and I enjoy hearing different opinions. I only said that I don't see the problems w/ the G.I. Joe universe that you do. I don't see Cobra as "reality-based". Storm Shadow? Sludge Viper? Eels? Bats? Dreadnocks? Serpentor? Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.8 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:02:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708100150.SAA20856@lists1.best.com> On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > I think you are very wrong here. Cobra is actually quite realistic in > > terms of the direction terrorism is going in the world, the direction its > > been going for quite some time. Cobra is like a more powerful and > > higher-funded version of the Palestine Liberation Organization with a > > larger scope of conquest ideals. > > > > BTW, who the heck do you think you are to tell me how to partake in Joe > > fandom? > > It's cute how you tell me I'm "very" wrong in two different paragraphs, and > then critisize me for implying that I dissagree w/ your position. I never > told YOU how to "partake in Joe fandom", You seem to have a knack at > telling everyone how wrong they are.......and expecting your opinions to be > 'taken'. I said my opinion. You said your opinion and then said, "This is the way it is. If you don't like it, go somewhere else." Or don't you recall that? > You are welcome to your opinion. I am only discussing the current topic, > and I enjoy hearing different opinions. I only said that I don't see the > problems w/ the G.I. Joe universe that you do. I don't see Cobra as > "reality-based". Storm Shadow? You don't believe ninjas exist? I know a few who would be interested to know that... > Sludge Viper? Eels? I didn't say totally reality based. > Bats? If you don't think we're getting to the point where Battle Android Troopers are possible, take a look at some of the robotic advances that are being used by the U.S. military. > Dreadnocks? Are you saying petty thug mercenary types with bad accents don't exist? Have you ever picked up a copy of "Soldier of Fortune" magazine? Not that I read it on a regular basis, but I have thumbed through it before. > Serpentor? With the advances we are making every day in cloning, can you really sit there and tell me that the creation of a highly-advanced humanoid from multple DNA donators isn't just around the corner? Wake up, Travis. There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, then are dreamed of in your philosophy... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.9 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:34:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Wake up, Travis. OK, you win Adam. You're right. I'm wrong. Ninjas, Mercenaries, Android Troopers, and historic DNA clones can all join together for a realistic terrorist group. Cobra is very realistic, and the Joe TEAM should be divided up. And now for something completely different.........I'm sure everyone is tired of reading our rantings. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.10 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Sears Six-Pack (was Re: Questions I've had) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:06:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708092239.PAA29194@lists1.best.com> At 5:39 PM -0500 8/9/97, snap_man@ix.netcom.com wrote: >>I have Storm Shadow, Destro, Firefly, Scrap Iron, Baroness, and a Cobra >>Soilder with red-back file cards. I received these figures for Christmas >>in 84 (I think). They were a special 6-pack available from Sears. >> >>There was a similar set of Joes. But I did not get it, so I don't know >>who was in it, but they too probably had red backs > >I remember receiving a six-pack of Joes years ago. It came with Roadblock, >Ripcord, Gung-Ho, Recondo, Mutt/Junkyard, and Spirit/Freedom. This might >be the set you're thinking about. > Did your six figures have red-backed filecards? I know Eddie's Cobra set did. I really need to find out more about these sets - anyone have access to a 1984 Christmas Sears catalog and a scanner? -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.11 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:06:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199708092257.PAA04655@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199708100058.RAA06539@lists1.best.com> Somewhere along the line, this argument got personal, let's try to keep it above the belt, eh? :) Ok, assuming that we use just the comic book storyline of Cobra (no cartoon plant-spike voiced by Burgess Meredith), and we just assume that there's a reasonable explanation for Serpentor, Zartan's holography that can be seen from every angle, and Megatron mistaking Destro's castle for Omega Supreme's little brother - then is Cobra realistic? Yes and no. Terrorism? Yes - very realistic. Aspects of the way Cobra was started, how Cobra relied on brainwashing, how Cobra added to its ranks from disillusioned Americans angry at the Federal Governemnt (perhaps predicting the rise of the Timothy McVeighs of today?), how Cobra used pyramid schemes and rallying meetings to build a base support for its organizations, and how Cobra used greed and the lure of power to become an organization of incredible scope? Damn if it isn't happening today. Heck - I could write one heck of an essay about Bill Gates being Cobra Commander. Imagine a whole bunch of laptop carrying engineers with glasses shouting, "Micro-soft-soft-soft-soft-soft-soft!" :) On the other hand... The amount of money needed to build that many tanks, arm that many soldiers, pay off that many lawyers. Not even Bill Gates has enough money to build HISS Tanks, Rattlers, Night Ravens, MORAY Hydrofoils, etc. In addition, let's face it - some of Cobra was intentionally designed to be unrealistic. HISS Tanks, for example, are the coolest tanks around - but I've certainly never seen a real tank that looks like that. Thomas Wheeler has written that while G.I.Joe was intended to be heroic and realistic, it was ok for the bad guys to get robots and clones. >I think you are very wrong here. Cobra is actually quite realistic in >terms of the direction terrorism is going in the world, the direction its >been going for quite some time. Cobra is like a more powerful and >higher-funded version of the Palestine Liberation Organization with a >larger scope of conquest ideals. Cobra being like the PLO, IMHO ,is far too much of a stretch. Ask someone who's in the PLO or sympathetic to the PLO, and they'll tell you that what they believe is just and right (whether this is TRUE or not can be argued, and I certainly ain't gonna argue with someone whose codename is Macabbee! :) ). But Cobra has no goals other than greed and power. Their Vipers aren't in it for any homeland. First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get.... the WOMEN. Alright, I made the last part up. :) When I was thirteen, someone once asked me if the X-Men comic books were realistic. I told them about Nightcrawler's religion and his girlfriend, about Colossus's hobbies and how he'd broken up with Kitty Pryde, and how Kitty Pryde was best friend's with her ex-boyfriend's sister and how shehad a relationship with Doug in the New Mutants that was more than friends, and how Cyclops had a wife whom he may or may not really love, and on and on and on. And they asked, "Yeah, but don't they all have super-powers and stuff?" To some, the realism of G.I.Joe is what drew us to it. To others, it wasn't the realism - it was the comic book-like aspects of cool heroes and colorful bad guys. To each his own. :) -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.12 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:26:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very well said. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ ---------- > From: Eugene > To: gijoe@lists.best.com > Subject: Re: Joes: New characters > Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 11:06 PM > > > Somewhere along the line, this argument got personal, let's try to keep it > above the belt, eh? :) > > Ok, assuming that we use just the comic book storyline of Cobra (no cartoon > plant-spike voiced by Burgess Meredith), and we just assume that there's a > reasonable explanation for Serpentor, Zartan's holography that can be seen > from every angle, and Megatron mistaking Destro's castle for Omega > Supreme's little brother - then is Cobra realistic? > > Yes and no. > > Terrorism? Yes - very realistic. Aspects of the way Cobra was started, > how Cobra relied on brainwashing, how Cobra added to its ranks from > disillusioned Americans angry at the Federal Governemnt (perhaps predicting > the rise of the Timothy McVeighs of today?), how Cobra used pyramid schemes > and rallying meetings to build a base support for its organizations, and > how Cobra used greed and the lure of power to become an organization of > incredible scope? Damn if it isn't happening today. > > Heck - I could write one heck of an essay about Bill Gates being Cobra > Commander. Imagine a whole bunch of laptop carrying engineers with glasses > shouting, "Micro-soft-soft-soft-soft-soft-soft!" :) > > On the other hand... > > The amount of money needed to build that many tanks, arm that many > soldiers, pay off that many lawyers. Not even Bill Gates has enough money > to build HISS Tanks, Rattlers, Night Ravens, MORAY Hydrofoils, etc. > > In addition, let's face it - some of Cobra was intentionally designed to be > unrealistic. HISS Tanks, for example, are the coolest tanks around - but > I've certainly never seen a real tank that looks like that. Thomas Wheeler > has written that while G.I.Joe was intended to be heroic and realistic, it > was ok for the bad guys to get robots and clones. > > > >I think you are very wrong here. Cobra is actually quite realistic in > >terms of the direction terrorism is going in the world, the direction its > >been going for quite some time. Cobra is like a more powerful and > >higher-funded version of the Palestine Liberation Organization with a > >larger scope of conquest ideals. > > Cobra being like the PLO, IMHO ,is far too much of a stretch. Ask someone > who's in the PLO or sympathetic to the PLO, and they'll tell you that what > they believe is just and right (whether this is TRUE or not can be argued, > and I certainly ain't gonna argue with someone whose codename is Macabbee! > :) ). > > But Cobra has no goals other than greed and power. Their Vipers aren't in > it for any homeland. First you get the money, then you get the power, then > you get.... the WOMEN. > > Alright, I made the last part up. :) > > When I was thirteen, someone once asked me if the X-Men comic books were > realistic. I told them about Nightcrawler's religion and his girlfriend, > about Colossus's hobbies and how he'd broken up with Kitty Pryde, and how > Kitty Pryde was best friend's with her ex-boyfriend's sister and how shehad > a relationship with Doug in the New Mutants that was more than friends, and > how Cyclops had a wife whom he may or may not really love, and on and on > and on. > > And they asked, "Yeah, but don't they all have super-powers and stuff?" > > To some, the realism of G.I.Joe is what drew us to it. To others, it > wasn't the realism - it was the comic book-like aspects of cool heroes and > colorful bad guys. > > To each his own. :) > > > -Eugene > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | > | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | > | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | > | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.13 --------------- From: Adam Casey Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:30:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708092257.PAA04655@lists1.best.com> <199708100406.VAA03187@lists1.best.com> > Somewhere along the line, this argument got personal, let's try to keep it > above the belt, eh? :) Really... It's okay to disagree, but, back it up with factual stuff not "You're wrong, I'm right." > Heck - I could write one heck of an essay about Bill Gates being Cobra > Commander. Imagine a whole bunch of laptop carrying engineers with glasses > shouting, "Micro-soft-soft-soft-soft-soft-soft!" :) > You mean, Bill Gates *ISN'T* Cobra Commander? I'm so disillusioned. But, seriously, but jokingly, did anyone catch the SNL where they poked the fun at Bill Gates and the person playing the part of Bill said something to the effect off "Thanks to new technology, we've placed new satelites above North America and ran an eletrical line from Kenya to North America, so, when you enter certain commands into your computer, it's beamed to the satelites, which then beam the command to a main dish in Kenya, which runs the commands back to your house so that you can do this" (he claps his hands and then the lights go out) "Isn't technology great?" Now, that's something rather Cobra, although it is ficticious. > The amount of money needed to build that many tanks, arm that many > soldiers, pay off that many lawyers. Not even Bill Gates has enough money > to build HISS Tanks, Rattlers, Night Ravens, MORAY Hydrofoils, etc. > Well, they could have the money if they stole it, which they often did in the cartoon. I mean, Cobra once raided the town of Cairo, which *has* to have a lot of money. > But Cobra has no goals other than greed and power. Their Vipers aren't in > it for any homeland. First you get the money, then you get the power, then > you get.... the WOMEN. > > Alright, I made the last part up. :) No you didn't. You got it from the Simpsons, specifically Homer, when a sugar truck turned over and he was selling it. "First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then, you get the women." > When I was thirteen, someone once asked me if the X-Men comic books were [X-Men info snipped] > > And they asked, "Yeah, but don't they all have super-powers and stuff?" > I think all media has to have some realism. I mean, once the Joes went into outer space, it all went down the drain. Many comic books win awards for the characters in it. They can't win the awards on x-ray vision, flight, super strength, and telepathy alone. They win the awards partly because of that, but, also because of the characters' drug addiction/rehab, romantic side, empathy, homosexuality, and any other character quirks the writers put in. > To some, the realism of G.I.Joe is what drew us to it. To others, it > wasn't the realism - it was the comic book-like aspects of cool heroes and > colorful bad guys. Actually, what drew me was my dad. I can remember getting a bunch of toys, but some just sorta 'found' their way into my toy box. They were there because my dad bought them before I could remember (approximately age 3 in 1985). adamcas@ipass.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.14 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:56:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708100406.VAA03187@lists1.best.com> On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Eugene wrote: > Ok, assuming that we use just the comic book storyline of Cobra (no cartoon > plant-spike voiced by Burgess Meredith), and we just assume that there's a > reasonable explanation for Serpentor, Zartan's holography that can be seen > from every angle, and Megatron mistaking Destro's castle for Omega > Supreme's little brother - then is Cobra realistic? I didn't say all of this was realistic...certainly the holography and any connections with the Transformers are too far. > Yes and no. > > Terrorism? Yes - very realistic. Aspects of the way Cobra was started, > how Cobra relied on brainwashing, how Cobra added to its ranks from > disillusioned Americans angry at the Federal Governemnt (perhaps predicting > the rise of the Timothy McVeighs of today?), how Cobra used pyramid schemes > and rallying meetings to build a base support for its organizations, and > how Cobra used greed and the lure of power to become an organization of > incredible scope? Damn if it isn't happening today. Yep...this was my basic point... > Heck - I could write one heck of an essay about Bill Gates being Cobra > Commander. Imagine a whole bunch of laptop carrying engineers with glasses > shouting, "Micro-soft-soft-soft-soft-soft-soft!" :) This is funny...both in an ironic sense and in a humor sense... > On the other hand... > > The amount of money needed to build that many tanks, arm that many > soldiers, pay off that many lawyers. Not even Bill Gates has enough money > to build HISS Tanks, Rattlers, Night Ravens, MORAY Hydrofoils, etc. Depends on who's bankrolling them...I doubt a group like that would be bankrolled by one person. I mean, look at who's running things: Cobra Commander - my guess is he's a rich guy whi went over the edge. Destro and the Baroness - both are European nobility with lands and money by birth, plus Destro's probably selling arms to people other than Cobra. The Crimson Twins - owners of a multi-national multi-billion dollar corporation. Also, they must've had other investors...I think there's enough to fund a Cobra army for many years...until their money runs out, like it did in one ep of the animated series (wasn't it "Cold Slither"?). > >I think you are very wrong here. Cobra is actually quite realistic in > >terms of the direction terrorism is going in the world, the direction its > >been going for quite some time. Cobra is like a more powerful and > >higher-funded version of the Palestine Liberation Organization with a > >larger scope of conquest ideals. > > Cobra being like the PLO, IMHO ,is far too much of a stretch. Ask someone > who's in the PLO or sympathetic to the PLO, and they'll tell you that what > they believe is just and right (whether this is TRUE or not can be argued, > and I certainly ain't gonna argue with someone whose codename is Macabbee! > :) ). > > But Cobra has no goals other than greed and power. Their Vipers aren't in > it for any homeland. First you get the money, then you get the power, then > you get.... the WOMEN. I don't know...in the troops I'd agree, but I think the leaders have a twisted sense that what they're doing will make the world a better place. > To some, the realism of G.I.Joe is what drew us to it. To others, it > wasn't the realism - it was the comic book-like aspects of cool heroes and > colorful bad guys. > > To each his own. :) I agree...we can disagree as to how it would work without someone saying, "If you don't like the way I declare it to be, you should find yourself something else to ba a fan of." Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.15 --------------- From: Eddie Beiles Subject: The GI JOE team Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:17:48 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708100231.TAA01748@lists1.best.com> It seems that there is currently a debate about the Joes organiztaion (how could you miss it), and I'm in the mood to throw my two cents in. >From the comic and the action figures, it appears to me that the Joes were originally all from the Army side of the armed forces. Then the Army realized that they needed some more specalists, so they turned to the other parts of the armed forces for members, and in comes Ace and Torpedo. Why did the Army want them to be Joes? Becasue it knew that the Air Force and the Navy could provide soilders with special skills that the Army could never provide. These guys and gals joined the Joes knowing that they would be under the command of the current Joe leader, Hawk. They knew that going in, and they accepted it. The current Joes respected these knew soilders for their skills and gladley accepted them. To me, the two most important words to describe the Joes are TEAM and EGOLESS. They were a TEAM. They worked together for a common goal, to eliminate Cobra. They relied on each other for their skills. They lacked an EGO. If an air strike was needed, all the Joes knew that the guy in command, the guy who knew what he was doing was Ace. Hawk knew this, Duke knew this, everyone knew this. When the planes took to the air, Ace took over, it was his ground, his specialty. That was the reason why he was there. Ace knew why he was there. He was there because he knew how to fly, he was the man for air combat. He also knew that Hawk was still the commander and made the final decisions but that Hawk turned to him for advice. They would discuss the goals of the air strike, how they were going to get them, and if something went wrong in battle, who the person was to get them out of it, Ace. The air was his domain. I think that this is what made the Joes great. It was idealistic. Part reality, part make-believe. It took the currnet armed forces set-up, and made it better, IMHO. They took the best and the brightest from the armed forces to make the ultimmate special forces team. The Joes knew why they were there. They joined knowing that Hawk as the man in charge. They joined knowing that they would rely on each other for their special skills. They knew one day that they would be the man. They knew that the next day that they could be the dumbest person on Earth in that area. That is why there were so many Joes. They joined, checked their egos at the door (sure there was a little friendly debate about which armed force was better, but enough to make them better, and not too much to distract them and make them weak). Would this work in the real world? Probably not. The AF and Navy wouldn't want their best soilders under the command of some army guy. Too many people would keep their egos and it would detract from the whole team concept. But this was make-believe. It did not have to be realistic. That is what made it great. It took todays armed forces and took bits and pieces of them to make the ultimate team. Almost forgot, the international Joes. Same thing with them. They joined knowing that an American would be their commander. The Joes know why he joined...because he is the best at what he does. He could be the best flamethrower around, or he could be an expert in IRA/PLO/whatever relations. If you think about it the Joes could almost be considered their own branch. It started out as part of the Army, but it grew and grew becoming its own seperate American force. Then it grew some more, becoming an international force to fight terrorism. Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.16 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:38:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I agree...we can disagree as to how it would work without someone saying, >"If you don't like the way I declare it to be, you should find yourself >something else to ba a fan of." It was never my intention to say you should be a fan of something else. And I was not referring to how something "would" work, but rather to how it did. There were mediums for realistic military toys in the 1980s, and if a child/collector wanted something along those lines, there were other venues. Hasbro/Marvel choose a different route, to which I was defending. (Again, when defending Hasbro's theme, I only go so far as 1988 or so.....) I enjoyed Hasbro's/Marvel's direction w/ G.I.Joe, and think it would have been hard for them to improve upon their theme, whether by "realism" or any other method. To implant a more rigid "realism" would require dissolving Most of Cobra, and a great deal of the Joe team, as we knew them. (B.A.T.S., Serpentor, Sci-Fi, HISS tanks, POGO, Jinx, Barbeque, Fast Draw, etc. etc.) I agree with you Adam that the 'basis' of the story-line could happen....but the means to the end is a completly different story. Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.17 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:11:04 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708100456.VAA21181@lists1.best.com> Adam Bernay wrote: > > Depends on who's bankrolling them...I doubt a group like that would be > bankrolled by one person. I mean, look at who's running things: > > Cobra Commander - my guess is he's a rich guy whi went over the edge. > Destro and the Baroness - both are European nobility with lands and money > by birth, plus Destro's probably selling arms > to people other than Cobra. > The Crimson Twins - owners of a multi-national multi-billion dollar > corporation. > > Also, they must've had other investors...I think there's enough to fund a > Cobra army for many years...until their money runs out, like it did in one > ep of the animated series (wasn't it "Cold Slither"?). Cobras Secret Vault. GI JOE discovered Cobras secret vault during a raid. Cobra Commander was informed by the Crimson Twins that he was bankrupt and all his men had left to the unemployment office (hehehe). So he and Fire Fly obtained 1 million bucks from some pipsqueak criminal call mr big or something, and payed Zartan $1 million dollars to star in operation "cold slither". At my site is a link to info on Cold Slither as well as a midi of the music (whoops, I'm advertising), but the info is relevant. Guys, I think you've both lost yourselves slightly in the point of what is realistic and what isn't. The last few posts seem to have eased down a little, but if you are going to turn this into a heated debate between each other then maybe you should mail each other and not the list. Aside from that, the last few posts have been interesting. If one of you (I forget which) wants to write a story or something with a more realistic tone to it in the 3 3/4 universe, then do it. There is no right or wrong on how you can do this. Most fans see and enjoy things in their own unique way. Theres no need to try and talk some sense into each other because whoever started this only wanted to write some fiction. > > But Cobra has no goals other than greed and power. Their Vipers aren't in > > it for any homeland. First you get the money, then you get the power, then > > you get.... the WOMEN. If I were cobra commander I would see things like this. Money leads to power leads to women. Therefore the overall goal is to be adored by women due to your wealth and status. But there is more to him than just that. He wants to rule the world. He derives pleasure from kicking those below him around. He is cruel by nature and unscrupolous like it says on the filecard. Most of the troops are pretty much the same, their bullys who enjoy being tougher and more powerful than all the rest. Seriously, being surrounded by beautiful women is a grate goal to aim for, and if I was in Cobra, that'd be mine. Hold on, where am I? My god I've lost touch with reality! Check my page for Cold Slither stuff... "Zartan's Domain" http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html ~~~Rod/Zartan --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.18 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 02:23:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199708092257.PAA04655@lists1.best.com> <199708100406.VAA03187@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199708100440.VAA14898@lists1.best.com> At 12:30 AM -0700 8/10/97, Adam Casey wrote: > You mean, Bill Gates *ISN'T* Cobra Commander? I'm so >disillusioned. Gen-X disillusionment. I understand, maaaaan. :) > But, seriously, but jokingly, did anyone catch the SNL where they >poked the fun at Bill Gates and the person playing the part of Bill said >something to the effect off "Thanks to new technology, we've placed new >satelites above North America and ran an eletrical line from Kenya to >North America, so, when you enter certain commands into your computer, >it's beamed to the satelites, which then beam the command to a main dish >in Kenya, which runs the commands back to your house so that you can do >this" (he claps his hands and then the lights go out) "Isn't technology >great?" > Now, that's something rather Cobra, although it is ficticious. Now it makes sense. Cobra invented the clapper. Those're the pyramid schemes on which Cobra built their empire. That and the Chia pet - foul creation of Dr. Venom. :) >> But Cobra has no goals other than greed and power. Their Vipers aren't in >> it for any homeland. First you get the money, then you get the power, then >> you get.... the WOMEN. >> >> Alright, I made the last part up. :) > > No you didn't. You got it from the Simpsons, specifically >Homer, when a sugar truck turned over and he was selling it. "First you >get the sugar, then you get the power, then, you get the women." Ack, my plagiarism has been caught! :) Actually, I was referring to the idea that the Vipers are in it for the women. The Simpsons episode that it's from is a classic - "To the BEE-MOBILE!" -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.19 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: The GI JOE team Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:01:28 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708100517.WAA28144@lists1.best.com> This is for me THE definition of the JOE organisation that I go by. Eddie knows what he is talking about. A highly trained team of specialists kind of says it all. It doesn't say there the army or anything. There a group designed to combat terrorism. Ed, if you don't mind, I'd like to put this on my "GI JOE the animated Series HQ" when it goes up in mid September. Its a real good summary of how the JOE's work. What do you say? ~~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html Eddie Beiles wrote: > > It seems that there is currently a debate about the Joes organiztaion (how > could you miss it), and I'm in the mood to throw my two cents in. > > >From the comic and the action figures, it appears to me that the Joes > were originally all from the Army side of the armed forces. Then the Army > realized that they needed some more specalists, so they turned to the > other parts of the armed forces for members, and in comes Ace and Torpedo. > Why did the Army want them to be Joes? Becasue it knew that the Air Force > and the Navy could provide soilders with special skills that the Army > could never provide. These guys and gals joined the Joes knowing that > they would be under the command of the current Joe leader, Hawk. They > knew that going in, and they accepted it. The current Joes respected > these knew soilders for their skills and gladley accepted them. > > To me, the two most important words to describe the Joes are TEAM and > EGOLESS. > > They were a TEAM. They worked together for a common goal, to eliminate > Cobra. They relied on each other for their skills. They lacked an EGO. > If an air strike was needed, all the Joes knew that the guy in command, > the guy who knew what he was doing was Ace. Hawk knew this, Duke knew > this, everyone knew this. When the planes took to the air, Ace took over, > it was his ground, his specialty. That was the reason why he was there. > Ace knew why he was there. He was there because he knew how to fly, he > was the man for air combat. He also knew that Hawk was still the > commander and made the final decisions but that Hawk turned to him for > advice. They would discuss the goals of the air strike, how they were > going to get them, and if something went wrong in battle, who the person > was to get them out of it, Ace. The air was his domain. > > I think that this is what made the Joes great. It was idealistic. Part > reality, part make-believe. It took the currnet armed forces set-up, and > made it better, IMHO. They took the best and the brightest from the armed > forces to make the ultimmate special forces team. > > The Joes knew why they were there. They joined knowing that Hawk as the > man in charge. They joined knowing that they would rely on each other for > their special skills. They knew one day that they would be the man. They > knew that the next day that they could be the dumbest person on Earth in > that area. That is why there were so many Joes. They joined, checked > their egos at the door (sure there was a little friendly debate about > which armed force was better, but enough to make them better, and not too > much to distract them and make them weak). > > Would this work in the real world? Probably not. The AF and Navy > wouldn't want their best soilders under the command of some army guy. Too > many people would keep their egos and it would detract from the whole team > concept. > > But this was make-believe. It did not have to be realistic. That is what > made it great. It took todays armed forces and took bits and pieces of > them to make the ultimate team. > > Almost forgot, the international Joes. Same thing with them. They joined > knowing that an American would be their commander. The Joes know why he > joined...because he is the best at what he does. He could be the best > flamethrower around, or he could be an expert in IRA/PLO/whatever > relations. > > If you think about it the Joes could almost be considered their own > branch. It started out as part of the Army, but it grew and grew becoming > its own seperate American force. Then it grew some more, becoming an > international force to fight terrorism. > > Eddie --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.20 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Questions Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:11:12 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708100517.WAA28144@lists1.best.com> What animation company produced GI JOE Extreme? Please help me out here. does anyone have an episode list? What is Quick Kick's real name? On the file card it says Ito, MacArthur S. This implies his firstname is MacArthur. Well call me crazy but isn't this a mistake? Ito is more likely his first name, and yet I am getting real confused. Answer? ~~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.21 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 07:17:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:34 PM 8/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >> Wake up, Travis. > > >And now for something completely different.........I'm sure everyone is >tired of reading our rantings. Indeed. It's time for this discussion to go private and stop filling my mailbox. :) -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.22 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Questions Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 05:23:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <199708100517.WAA28144@lists1.best.com> In-Reply-To: <199708101011.DAA16639@lists1.best.com> At 10:11 PM +1200 8/10/97, Rod Hannah wrote: >What is Quick Kick's real name? On the file card it says Ito, MacArthur >S. This implies his firstname is MacArthur. Well call me crazy but >isn't this a mistake? Ito is more likely his first name, and yet I am >getting real confused. MacArthur is an odd first name, but not entirely impossible. Keep in mind that Quick Kick's mother is Korean (unless Ito is some Korean name I've never heard of :) ). Koreans *love* General Douglas A. MacArthur. Before he and the U.S. forces joined the Korean War, the North Koreans had the South Koreans pushed back to a tiny corner of the peninsula. Then MacArthuer came along and led the American forces from the Inchon landing, through the 48th parallel, through Pyongyang, and within inches of the Chinese border. I'm assuming that that's what the writer of the file card (presumably Larry Hama) had in mind when naming Quick Kick "MacArthur". -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.23 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: Impel Set Prices Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:20:21 EDT How much is a set of Impel Cards worth or trading or selling? Joe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.24 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:25:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708100536.WAA03643@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > To implant a more rigid "realism" would require dissolving > Most of Cobra, and a great deal of the Joe team, as we knew them. I disagree, and showed you how it could've worked...are you saying having different squads within one team (or different teams within one force) wouldn't have served realistic ends, for example? > (B.A.T.S., Serpentor, Sci-Fi, HISS tanks, POGO, Jinx, Barbeque, Fast > Draw, etc. etc.) > > I agree with you Adam that the 'basis' of the story-line could > happen....but the means to the end is a completly different story. I disagree...the framework is almost entirely there. All that would've been required was adding a few more characters to the command structure and adding a few words to the filecards. How would that have made a different story? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n248.25 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: New Web Page announcement Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:27:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey all, In the spirit of largely off-topic information I'd like to announce the opening of the Corps! Collector's Guide & Information Center, the URL is: http://webusers.anet-stl.com/~stinson/corps This is a home page for 3 3/4" military (and other) action figures made by Lanard Toys. I wouldn't even post this announcement to the list but since the figures are all made identically to GI Joe 3 3/4" (size and articulation) it is of interest to some 3 3/4" Joe collectors. Anyway, talk of Corps! figures has filtered through this list on occasion. If you didn't really know what was being discussed and were even mildly curious then check out this new web page. It's a must-see for 3 3/4" action figure fans. Oh, and to help avoid futher off-topic posts, please direct and comments or discussion about this page to me privately, thanks! -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- END gijoe.v001.n248 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n249 -------------- 001 - "Corey D. Stinson" - Re: Sears Six-Pack (was Re: Questions I've had) 018 - Eugene - Re: Impel Set Prices 019 - "Yuval T. Kerstein" - Timber and Scrap-Iron (was Re: PLO, realism, internationality) 021 - "Corey D. Stinson" - Re: Timber and Scrap-Iron G.I. Joe 3 3/4" Mailing List Digest --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.1 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Impel Set Prices Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:29:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:20 AM 8/10/97 EDT, you wrote: >How much is a set of Impel Cards worth or trading or selling? > >Joe > > I got a complete set for $5 one time. That was probably lucky though. I've seen them for as much as $25-$30 asking price. Seems to me that a reasonable middle ground would probably be $15-$20. It's a nice set, and something every GI Joe 3 3/4" memorabilia collector will eventually want. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.2 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Questions Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:45:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708101011.DAA16639@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Rod Hannah wrote: > What is Quick Kick's real name? On the file card it says Ito, MacArthur > S. This implies his firstname is MacArthur. Well call me crazy but > isn't this a mistake? Ito is more likely his first name, and yet I am > getting real confused. I recall the animated series "Captives of Cobra" clearly stated his last name was Ito...but I think I'd remember his first name being MacArthur. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.3 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: The GI JOE team Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:19:11 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708100517.WAA28144@lists1.best.com> Yes, I agree completely with Ed. Great points. If the Joes were to be an elite anti-terrorist squad, then they must be experts in all forms of bettle. If they were broken up into Army, Navy, Airforce and Marine divisions (or Land, Sea and Air or whatever) then guess what...you'd just have the US Armed Forces. That's the way it is set up now. For a strike force like the Joes, the several layers of bureaucracy inherent to this organizational style would have stifled their ability to function (trust me, I work for National Defence, it can be quite painful when dealing with different branches). That's why specialists for different branches have been formed together into one team. When a deep sea salvage operation comes up, of course guys like Torpedo and Deep Six take over the project - it's their domain. You wouldn't send Rock 'n Roll down there. But they still all fall under the command of Gen Hawk - who happens to be an Army General (probably stemming form the fact that Joe Coltan was Army, so the Joe's command remained under that branch). Not only is this a very realistic strike force team, but IMO the only one that could function, since a multi-branch unity where Navy, Army and Airforce must communicate and agree before any actions are taken would be so bound in red tape that it would be sure to fail. One more thing. About Cobra being realistic. I must strongly reject this idea. Cobra Commander was a used car salesman. Destro doesn't fund Cobra, he sells weapons to it. The Crimson Twins don't fund Cobra either (as we saw in Cold Slither) they simply act as a brokerage for Cobra. The amount of weapontry we seen destroyed in each episode/issue would bankrupt any backing that Cobra might have - especially since Cobra is never successful. And don't even get me started with the Zartan/Serpentor/BATS/BrainWave Scanner/StormShadow tangent. Let's just say that in the Hasbro universe, things happen a bit different then they do here - which is why it is a cartoon and comic : Not real life. You want real life - join the services or for a scaled down version of real life - collect the 12" Joes. (and let's not talk about the whole Transformer crossover stuff - or how MetalHead can launch rockets that are mounted on his shoulder : there's realism for ya) And one last thing : I had to respond to this because I just checked my email and found a zillion posts on this subject. I am hoping however that this will soon die out - in other words : Hey Macabee - Quit It. Later, Duane -------------------------------------------- Duane Burchell burchell@engsoc.carleton.ca Faculty of Engineering, Carleton University --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.4 --------------- From: snap_man@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Sears Six-Pack (was Re: Questions I've had) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:20:12 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >At 5:39 PM -0500 8/9/97, snap_man@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >>>I have Storm Shadow, Destro, Firefly, Scrap Iron, Baroness, and a Cobra >>>Soilder with red-back file cards. I received these figures for Christmas >>>in 84 (I think). They were a special 6-pack available from Sears. >>> >>>There was a similar set of Joes. But I did not get it, so I don't know >>>who was in it, but they too probably had red backs >> >>I remember receiving a six-pack of Joes years ago. It came with Roadblock, >>Ripcord, Gung-Ho, Recondo, Mutt/Junkyard, and Spirit/Freedom. This might >>be the set you're thinking about. >> > >Did your six figures have red-backed filecards? I know Eddie's Cobra set >did. I'm not sure. When I got these figures I wasn't into G.I.Joe, so I didn't keep the file cards. But it's possible they were red-backed. I checked all the file cards I have, and the only ones I saw with red backs were the special order figures I got through Hasbro (the Fridge, Major Bludd, vehicle drivers, etc.), as well as the two figures that came with the Defiant. I think it was just ho w file cards were printed if they were not on figure cards or on the backs of boxes (although thick cardboard boxed figures seemed to have ordinary cardboard-colored backs except for the Defiant). >-Eugene ______ __ ______ ______ __ __ __ ________ ______ __ / ____//\ / // __ // __ // // // // _ _ // __ //\ / / / /___ / \ / // /_/ // /_/ // // // // // // // /_/ // \ / / /___ // /\ \/ // __ // ____//_//_//_// // // // __ // /\ \/ / ____/ // / \ // / / // / __ __ __ / // // // / / // / \ / /_____//_/ \//_/ /_//_/ /_//_//_//_//_//_//_/ /_//_/ \/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.5 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: The GI JOE team Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:41:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708101718.KAA24989@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Duane Burchell wrote: > I agree completely with Ed. Great points. If the Joes were to be > an elite anti-terrorist squad, then they must be experts in all forms of > bettle. If they were broken up into Army, Navy, Airforce and Marine > divisions (or Land, Sea and Air or whatever) then guess what...you'd just > have the US Armed Forces. That's the way it is set up now. For a strike > force like the Joes, the several layers of bureaucracy inherent to this > organizational style would have stifled their ability to function (trust > me, I work for National Defence, it can be quite painful when dealing with > different branches). That's why specialists for different branches have > been formed together into one team. When a deep sea salvage operation > comes up, of course guys like Torpedo and Deep Six take over the project - > it's their domain. You wouldn't send Rock 'n Roll down there. But they > still all fall under the command of Gen Hawk - who happens to be an Army > General (probably stemming form the fact that Joe Coltan was Army, so the > Joe's command remained under that branch). Not only is this a very > realistic strike force team, but IMO the only one that could function, > since a multi-branch unity where Navy, Army and Airforce must communicate > and agree before any actions are taken would be so bound in red tape that > it would be sure to fail. Wrong. Joint Task Forces exist from time to time without all of these problems. It would work in this case as well. And I even said there would be one overall commander, probably the senior of the Team Commanders. You're describing a slightly less vormalized version of what I was talking about. > One more thing. About Cobra being realistic. I must strongly > reject this idea. Cobra Commander was a used car salesman. I didn't know this one...although, if you're going to talk people out of their fortunes to fund a losing cause, I can imagine having been a used car salesman would probably be an important background skill! > Destro doesn't fund Cobra, he sells weapons to it. Then what in heck was he doing leading Cobra troops? If he was merely the arms merchant selling them weapons, why would he be commanding Cobra forces? Wouldn't that be seen as an inheirant conflict of interest? (Yes, destroy more equipment so C.C. will have to buy more from me.) I don't see it. > The Crimson Twins don't fund Cobra either (as we saw in Cold Slither) > they simply act as a brokerage for Cobra. Again, if this were true, why would they be commanding Cobra troops in combat? > (and let's not talk about the whole Transformer crossover stuff - or > how MetalHead can launch rockets that are mounted on his shoulder : > there's realism for ya) The later Cobras did leave a lot more to be desired... > And one last thing : I had to respond to this because I just checked my > email and found a zillion posts on this subject. I am hoping however that > this will soon die out - in other words : Hey Macabee - Quit It. Oh, I'm supposed to quit it? Gee...what about the people who keep feeding me material? Someone has to debate with me for debate to occur. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.6 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Flint info Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:00:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Can anyone send me the filecard info on Flint, or tell me where I can get it from? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.7 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: The GI JOE team Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Go Eddy!! Also, hey everyone, I just got on the mailing list. Josh --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.8 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: The Defeninition of the Joe Team Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:40:05 EDT Somebody said that the Joes were, and I am paraphrasing since the entire Newsletter is too big to be viewed in my Juno program(thanks adam and travis) (use more snipping please for us juno people or others with crappy mail services) {:-)}}} , a Highly Trained Special Mission Force. I think that is the definition that was in the comics. While it probally would not work in real life(any military people out there could tell us for sure), the idea is great. These service men from several branches have joined togeather to fight an elite battle against Cobra. Despreate times call for desperate messures. And remember, although I love GI Joe and don't blasphmey, it is only a toy, comic, cartoon. Joe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.9 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Adam, I think you should take all your figures and organize them in Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Marine Corps. I think it would be fun. Then that way they would be in groups like you thought would be a good idea. Just an idea :) Josh Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.10 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: Joes: New characters Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Also, Adam, then you could tell us who's in what group. I forgot to put that in the first mail :) Josh Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.11 --------------- From: Pawsha@aol.com Subject: Re: The GI JOE team(Not an argument though) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:00:27 -0400 (EDT) I think, everyone should quit it. I think everyone should think of it their own way. That's what's good about toys. You can think of them however you want. When I was little most Cobra guys I would think of good guys. Just because I liked how they looked better than some Joes did. I just got on this mailing list and it's getting boring, except for the talk about red back file cards and stuff like that. I don't think that it's that important how you see it. I think it's important if you just like the toys. Sorry everyone that I kept talking about this but I had to say it.Bye :) Josh Pawsha@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.12 --------------- From: Rod Pellegrini Subject: STOP IT!!!! Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:04:12 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708101630.JAA13458@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 10 Aug 1997 gijoe-errors@lists.best.com wrote: > > -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n248 -------------- > > 024 - Adam Bernay > On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Travis L. Rodgers wrote: > > > To implant a more rigid "realism" would require dissolving > > Most of Cobra, and a great deal of the Joe team, as we knew them. > > I disagree, and showed you how it could've worked...are you saying having > different squads within one team (or different teams within one force) > wouldn't have served realistic ends, for example? > > > (B.A.T.S., Serpentor, Sci-Fi, HISS tanks, POGO, Jinx, Barbeque, Fast > > Draw, etc. etc.) > > > > I agree with you Adam that the 'basis' of the story-line could > > happen....but the means to the end is a completly different story. > > I disagree...the framework is almost entirely there. All that would've > been required was adding a few more characters to the command structure > and adding a few words to the filecards. > > How would that have made a different story? > > > Adam Bernay > CODE NAME: Maccabee > Stop it you two!!!!! I'm tired of reading this stuff!!! I like G.I. JOE the way it was. True, Hasbro screwed up several times putting out toys that weren't what they could've been, and the cartoon could've been more realistic, but I like it the way it was. If I wanted more realism, I would be watching the history channel's viet nam documentaries (which I am, actually). Either way, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but we've got so many people here (all with different opinions about one thing or another) it is impossible to get to a conclussion that'll please everybody! moreover, do you really think Hasbro will give a rat's rear end to wether we'd like the joe team to be subdivided into smaller "sea, air and land" teams or not? I don't think so. Unless everyone here agreed, which ain't gonna happen. Anyway, whenever things get this personal it's time for the involved parties to privetly e-mail each other, and not the list. Now, before I get dragged into some discussion about who I am to tell anyone to shut up, I'll tell you all. I'm just another reader, and I'm here to discuss G.I. JOE, which includes the "what if" questions and their debate, but not back and forth rantings between people. If I wanted that, I'd be looking for Thor's posts in the newsgroup. I realize I've expressed my opinions rather strongly; I hope I've not offended anybody, but someone had to try to put an end to this. KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // "ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS" KKKKK KKKKK UUUUU UUUUU ////////////////////////////////////////// KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Rod A. Pellegrini KKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // Jayhawks rule!!!!! KKKKKKKKKK UUUUU UUUUU // rodpelle@falcon.cc.ukans.edu KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // Live long and prosper KKKKK KKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUU // May the force be with you --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.13 --------------- From: Tony Subject: Re: The GI JOE team Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:09:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You said it! Tony At 01:17 AM 8/10/97 -0400, you wrote: > > >It seems that there is currently a debate about the Joes organiztaion (how >could you miss it), and I'm in the mood to throw my two cents in. > >>From the comic and the action figures, it appears to me that the Joes >were originally all from the Army side of the armed forces. Then the Army >realized that they needed some more specalists, so they turned to the >other parts of the armed forces for members, and in comes Ace and Torpedo. >Why did the Army want them to be Joes? Becasue it knew that the Air Force >and the Navy could provide soilders with special skills that the Army >could never provide. These guys and gals joined the Joes knowing that >they would be under the command of the current Joe leader, Hawk. They >knew that going in, and they accepted it. The current Joes respected >these knew soilders for their skills and gladley accepted them. > >To me, the two most important words to describe the Joes are TEAM and >EGOLESS. > >They were a TEAM. They worked together for a common goal, to eliminate >Cobra. They relied on each other for their skills. They lacked an EGO. >If an air strike was needed, all the Joes knew that the guy in command, >the guy who knew what he was doing was Ace. Hawk knew this, Duke knew >this, everyone knew this. When the planes took to the air, Ace took over, >it was his ground, his specialty. That was the reason why he was there. >Ace knew why he was there. He was there because he knew how to fly, he >was the man for air combat. He also knew that Hawk was still the >commander and made the final decisions but that Hawk turned to him for >advice. They would discuss the goals of the air strike, how they were >going to get them, and if something went wrong in battle, who the person >was to get them out of it, Ace. The air was his domain. > >I think that this is what made the Joes great. It was idealistic. Part >reality, part make-believe. It took the currnet armed forces set-up, and >made it better, IMHO. They took the best and the brightest from the armed >forces to make the ultimmate special forces team. > >The Joes knew why they were there. They joined knowing that Hawk as the >man in charge. They joined knowing that they would rely on each other for >their special skills. They knew one day that they would be the man. They >knew that the next day that they could be the dumbest person on Earth in >that area. That is why there were so many Joes. They joined, checked >their egos at the door (sure there was a little friendly debate about >which armed force was better, but enough to make them better, and not too >much to distract them and make them weak). > >Would this work in the real world? Probably not. The AF and Navy >wouldn't want their best soilders under the command of some army guy. Too >many people would keep their egos and it would detract from the whole team >concept. > >But this was make-believe. It did not have to be realistic. That is what >made it great. It took todays armed forces and took bits and pieces of >them to make the ultimate team. > >Almost forgot, the international Joes. Same thing with them. They joined >knowing that an American would be their commander. The Joes know why he >joined...because he is the best at what he does. He could be the best >flamethrower around, or he could be an expert in IRA/PLO/whatever >relations. > >If you think about it the Joes could almost be considered their own >branch. It started out as part of the Army, but it grew and grew becoming >its own seperate American force. Then it grew some more, becoming an >international force to fight terrorism. > > >Eddie > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.14 --------------- From: Gabriel Schnerch Subject: Funding of Cobra Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:25:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you go by the cartoon at all, in the video that came with Sgt. Savage, that Krieger guy that betrayed Savage and ran a pretty rich organization was shown telling Cobra Commander he was cutting all ties to Cobra, the organization he helped create (or something along those lines). So between him, Destro, the Baroness, and the Crimson Twins (and all the money Cobra stole), I would suggest they could afford quite a few HISS tanks and the such. Just my thoughts on the matter. PS: I have made up a list of Joe parts I have lying around. Mostly incomplete bodies, or complete bodies with no accessories and some paint wear that I have for trade. If anyone wants to exchange parts lists and perhaps make some trades, please e-mail me. Thanks. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.15 --------------- From: joe1635@juno.com (Joe M Gallagher) Subject: No-Prize?? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:37:46 EDT Can somebody tell me what a Marvel No-Prize is? I had a letter all planned out when GI Joe Comics ended. Joe CODE NAME: Overdrive --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.16 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: No-Prize?? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:58:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708102138.OAA26260@lists1.best.com> On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Joe M Gallagher wrote: > Can somebody tell me what a Marvel No-Prize is? I had a letter all > planned out when GI Joe Comics ended. As I recall, No-Prizes were merely acknowledgements in the letters pages when a reader came up with an explanation of why a screw-up wasn't a screw-up. There really was no prize (hence the name No-Prize). THis may not be correct. If it isn't, I'm sure Mister Hama can correct me. Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.17 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Sears Six-Pack (was Re: Questions I've had) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:46:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708101720.KAA25415@lists1.best.com> At 12:20 PM -0500 8/10/97, snap_man@ix.netcom.com wrote: >>At 5:39 PM -0500 8/9/97, snap_man@ix.netcom.com wrote: >> >>>>I have Storm Shadow, Destro, Firefly, Scrap Iron, Baroness, and a Cobra >>>>Soilder with red-back file cards. I received these figures for Christmas >>>>in 84 (I think). They were a special 6-pack available from Sears. >>>> >>>I remember receiving a six-pack of Joes years ago. It came with Roadblock, >>>Ripcord, Gung-Ho, Recondo, Mutt/Junkyard, and Spirit/Freedom. This might >>>be the set you're thinking about. > >I'm not sure. When I got these figures I wasn't into G.I.Joe, so I didn't >keep the file cards. But it's possible they were red-backed. I'm going to assume, then, that there're red backed filecards of these figures floating around. If the Cobra set did, then the Joe set had to also. >I checked all the file cards I have, and the only ones I saw with red >backs were the special order figures I got through Hasbro (the Fridge, >Major Bludd, vehicle drivers, etc.), as well as the two figures that came >with the Defiant. I think it was just ow file cards were printed if they >were not on figure cards or on the backs of boxes (although thick >cardboard boxed figures seemed to have ordinary cardboard-colored backs >except for the Defiant). Thanks for the info, Snap!!!!Man! I don't have a Hardtop filecard, so I wasn't sure it was redbacked. Thanks! -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.18 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Impel Set Prices Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:47:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708101630.JAA13438@lists1.best.com> At 11:29 AM -0500 8/10/97, Corey D. Stinson wrote: >At 11:20 AM 8/10/97 EDT, you wrote: >>How much is a set of Impel Cards worth or trading or selling? >> > > I got a complete set for $5 one time. That was probably lucky though. >I've seen them for as much as $25-$30 asking price. Seems to me that a >reasonable middle ground would probably be $15-$20. It's a nice set, and >something every GI Joe 3 3/4" memorabilia collector will eventually want. > I bought my set for $15+shipping two months ago. Last week, though, on Ebay someone sold a sealed case of Impel cards for $6. Concur with Corey - the set is a _must_ for anyone's G.I.Joe collection. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.19 --------------- From: "Yuval T. Kerstein" Subject: PLO, realism, internationality Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 02:58:33 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok People, this got totally out of hand!!! I have tons of emails to answer and got a lot to say so i hope ill get to say it all! lets get back to how i started. Travis and Adam, BAD boys (or in hebrew NU NU NU) i dont mean to sound petronizing cause im not, but hey you got totally personal about stuff concerning realizm of a cartoon!!! as much as we all love this, it isn't worth risking our friendship and health. look at it this way, it was a made up world based on the only original we have so i guess some things are realistic and some are not but that is certainly not worth fighting, one will say the cloning of serpy is realistic and one will say its bugus, same thing about cobra's funding same thing about gijoe's teams!!! I personaly saw gijoe as one big team that had experts on several branches of the military that's why when certain area's were to be covered, certain people were chosen, i would not send Iceberg to a mission in the area of the equator! about internationality, GIJOE was created to fight cobra (or for that matter any terroristic group) which is an INTERNATIONAL terroristic organization, so gijoe MUST be international for reasons of sucess, now that internationality might come in a way of seperate national teams like the OG or to have teams from all around the world in the GIJOE itself which is actually a part of the US military! about the PLO, being an israeli is actually very tough (and OH GOD please lets not make this a political argument), we are now in the middle of a cold and very stuck peace process with the PLO that is now called the Palestinian Authority so i guess that's how we should call it, anyway i have a lot of bad things to say about the PA in general and about its participation on terrorizm but i wont i will just say that you cant quite compare it to Cobra, cobra goes for world domination out of selfish gready megalomaniac, power-hungry reasons, the PA is trying to fight for land which is currently occupied by a race that theres a lot of anemosity (spelling?) between them. so its not the same, plus the course of action is different. now to other stuff, a few lists ago someone said something about an israeli rabbi, what was that word again> spetuagi something? what does it mean? it certainly isn't hebrew! also a question about timber, was he always snake's friend but not realeased at first or did the two meet later on (how?) and then joined together? btw - the uzi, which is an israeli weapon, he used was illegal in the states for about ten years until now!!! and another thing, in the filecard dusty's last name is Tadur, but in the ep where he becomes a cobra they call him Dusty Rudat!!! that's almost like Tomax and Xamot! Ha ha! if interested in israeli names for the known joes, i can say that the two twins were call Scamot (the scarred one) and Salmot Dr. mindbender was called by a hebrew translation to Dr. strong brain Mutt became Mat sgt slaughter became sgt slater! Scrap Iron was called by a tranlsation to Spear Head Deep six was called sheshet which was the hebrew name for robinson cruso's companion Friday! roadblock is roadman get this snake eyes became Eagle Eyes (in hebrew) quick kick became iron leg wet suit became frog-man ok ill stop now, if you wanna know about more just ask! anybody can help me figure this out? Scrappy's fc sais he works for Destro but i dont remember any connection between the two, was there? what happened to scrappy? wouldn't it be great if he joined the Iron Grenadiers??? wont it be a cool custom? YUVAL --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.20 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Timber and Scrap-Iron (was Re: PLO, realism, internationality) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:24:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708110001.RAA02181@lists1.best.com> At 2:58 AM +0300 8/11/97, Yuval T. Kerstein wrote: >also a question about timber, was he always snake's friend but not >realeased at first or did the two meet later on (how?) and then joined >together? In the comic books, Snake Eyes owned a cabin up in the Rocky Mountains, where he went after Vietnam. That's where he befriended the wolf (exact circumstances and the name "Timber" weren't revealed, I think). When Snake Eyes was recruited for the G.I.Joe team (in flashback in #27), he left the wolf behind (it's a wolf not a dog, so it could take care of itself). In #31, when Snake Eyes is visiting his cabin, he gets ambushed by Fred, Destro, and Firefly - the wolf saves Snake Eyes's life by attacking Destro. In #52, when Storm Shadow goes into semi-retirement, Snake Eyes gives the keys to his Rocky Mountain cabin. Storm Shadow meets Timber and the two live there until Storm Shadow is back in action. (I think that covers it - did Timber ever appear again?) In the cartoons, the first cartoon mini-series "MASS Device" in 1983 (2 years before Timber was ever an accessory), Snake Eyes had been doused with radiation and has wandered off into the arctic to die. He saves a wolf from a trap, and the wolf returns the favor by defending Snake Eyes from a bear attack. They're both knocked out but are saved by a blind Irishman who just happens to be living in the Arctic circle and bears a striking resemblence to Zartan. After the wolf is named "Timber" by the Irishman, Snake Eyes goes back to civilization with Timber. Timber never appeared again after the MASS Device mini-series. >anybody can help me figure this out? Scrappy's fc sais he works for >Destro but i dont remember any connection between the two, was there? >what happened to scrappy? wouldn't it be great if he joined the Iron >Grenadiers??? wont it be a cool custom? Did Scrap-Iron ever appear in the comic books? To the best of my recollection, he never did. How weird- this character is one of those ones that seemed to just fall through the cracks. In the cartoon, he appears for a total of four seconds in the "Revenge of Cobra" mini-series in 1984, then as others on this list have pointed out, after Hasbro stops selling him he gets a large role in "Arise Serpentor Arise" in 1986. He was a cool figure, too. Great look to him, and a terrific set of accessories. Wonder what happened to him? -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.21 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Timber and Scrap-Iron (was Re: PLO, realism, internationality) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:50:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Did Scrap-Iron ever appear in the comic books? To the best of my >recollection, he never did. Yes, Scrap-Iron appeared in the comics. As a matter of fact he dropped a rocket on a certain pivotal character and thus ended his existence. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.22 --------------- From: Mark & Debbie Brockman Subject: Star Brigade figures needed... Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:59:50 -0400 Looking for the following figures LOOSE, MINT, and COMPLETE at reasonable prices: ----Star Brigade Cobra Commander ----Star Brigade Cobra Blackstar Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Mark brockman@one.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.23 --------------- From: "Travis L. Rodgers" Subject: Re: Timber and Scrap-Iron (was Re: PLO, realism,internationality) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:14:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Yes, Scrap-Iron appeared in the comics. As a matter of fact he dropped a > rocket on a certain pivotal character and thus ended his existence. To wit? Travis L. Rodgers trodger@arkansas.net http://comp.uark.edu/~trodger/ --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.24 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: REALLY NEED Flint info Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Could someone please send me the filecard info on Flint, or tell me where I can find it on the Net? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.25 --------------- From: VideoFippo@aol.com Subject: Re: Impel Set Prices Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:40:32 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-10 12:39:44 EDT, you write: << I got a complete set for $5 one time. That was probably lucky though. I've seen them for as much as $25-$30 asking price. Seems to me that a reasonable middle ground would probably be $15-$20. It's a nice set, and something every GI Joe 3 3/4" memorabilia collector will eventually want. >> What about the send-away binder? I've got both the set and the Joe binder that you could send away for. Is this at all worth anything? It was mail-away, but it is kinda neat. C. Rice Fippo --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.26 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Outpost Defender guns? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:06:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are correct Sir! -----Original Message----- From: Corey D. Stinson [SMTP:stinson@anet-stl.com] Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 9:30 AM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Re: Outpost Defender guns? At 12:27 AM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know if the Outpost Defender included any figure accessories? > The photos for it in the mid-80s toy insert catalogs show some, but I've >never heard of it including any. > >thanks >Brian The blueprints for the Outpost Defender show that it has a crate that can hold three rifles. The description is vague so you don't know if the rifles came with the set or not. I have the set but can't honestly remember if the rifles came with it or not. Anyone know if the rifles came with the crate? The rifles shown in the blueprints are a Dragonov Cobra Officer rifle, an Airborne (1st) rifle, and a Grunt M-16. -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.27 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: Flint info Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:36:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try here: http://webusers.anet-stl.com/~stinson/joehq/filecard.htm#1989 -----Original Message----- From: Adam Bernay [SMTP:abernay@psnw.com] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 1997 2:00 PM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Flint info Can anyone send me the filecard info on Flint, or tell me where I can get it from? Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.28 --------------- From: ForceFull1@aol.com Subject: Re: Timber and Scrap-Iron Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:01:07 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-10 21:44:31 EDT, you write: > In the comic books, Snake Eyes owned a cabin up in the Rocky Mountains, > where he went after Vietnam. That's where he befriended the wolf (exact > circumstances and the name "Timber" weren't revealed, I think). Timber was named in #91, in a panel towards the end. Either Jinx or Scarlett exclaims, "It's Timber!" and in a wandering word bubble mistake, Snake-Eyes(!!) says, "He's been wounded!" or something to that effect. >When Snake > Eyes was recruited for the G.I.Joe team (in flashback in #27), he left the > wolf behind (it's a wolf not a dog, so it could take care of itself). In > #31, when Snake Eyes is visiting his cabin, he gets ambushed by Fred, > Destro, and Firefly - the wolf saves Snake Eyes's life by attacking Destro. > In #52, when Storm Shadow goes into semi-retirement, Snake Eyes gives the > keys to his Rocky Mountain cabin. Storm Shadow meets Timber and the two > live there until Storm Shadow is back in action. (I think that covers it - > did Timber ever appear again?) In the afforementioned #91. He was also in the third yearbook if I remember correctly. > Did Scrap-Iron ever appear in the comic books? To the best of my > recollection, he never did. He kinda slipped through the cracks in the comic too, although he was the person who killed the Soft Master. Brian --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.29 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Timber and Scrap-Iron (was Re: PLO, realism, internationality) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:02:03 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708110123.SAA21844@lists1.best.com> Eugene wrote: > > In the cartoons, the first cartoon mini-series "MASS Device" in 1983 (2 > years before Timber was ever an accessory), Snake Eyes had been doused with > radiation and has wandered off into the arctic to die. He saves a wolf > from a trap, and the wolf returns the favor by defending Snake Eyes from a > bear attack. They're both knocked out but are saved by a blind Irishman > who just happens to be living in the Arctic circle and bears a striking > resemblence to Zartan. After the wolf is named "Timber" by the Irishman, > Snake Eyes goes back to civilization with Timber. Timber never appeared > again after the MASS Device mini-series. I wont say your wrong here, but if I'm not mistaken, Timber is in "The Pyramids of Darkness" five parter, along with shipwrecks parrot, its name eludes me (polly most likely). Unless Snake eyes mysteriously got a new wolf. ~~~Rod/Zartan --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n249.30 --------------- From: Eugene Subject: Re: Timber and Scrap-Iron Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:10:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708110151.SAA29817@lists1.best.com> >>Did Scrap-Iron ever appear in the comic books? To the best of my >>recollection, he never did. > > Yes, Scrap-Iron appeared in the comics. As a matter of fact he dropped a >rocket on a certain pivotal character and thus ended his existence. You're right - my bad. G.I.Joe #43. Were there any other appearances? >I wont say your wrong here, but if I'm not mistaken, Timber is in "The >Pyramids of Darkness" five parter, along with shipwrecks parrot, its >name eludes me (polly most likely). Unless Snake eyes mysteriously got >a new wolf. Wow - I'm really on a roll here. :) You're right - me bad again. How could I forget about that silly scene where Shipwreck, Snake Eyes, Polly, and Satin are dancing, and Timber comes out wearing a jacket and dancing..... :) -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- END gijoe.v001.n249 --------------- -------------- BEGIN gijoe.v001.n250 -------------- 001 - Eugene - Special Mission Brazil Weapons 002 - "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Special Mission Brazil Weapons Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:08:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <199708110151.SAA29817@lists1.best.com> Hey Gang- A couple months ago, I told you about Pat Vandemeer, who has mint-bags with the Special Mission Brazil weapons. She still has them for $12 a bag. They're sealed bags with Claymore's helmet and uzi, Dialtone's backpack and gun, Leatherneck's backpack and gun, Wetsuit's backpack, flashlight, jet, flippers, and airmask, and Mainframe's backpack, computer, handset, and cord. E-mail me for more information - I have her sales list of really cheap carded figures, too. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------- | eson@cts.com OR eson@king.cts.com | |---------------------------------------------------------------| |Yo Joe!- The G.I.Joe Archive | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | Support the anti-Spam Ammendment! | |---------------------------------------------------------------| | "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and | | it's all over much too soon" - Woody Allen | | "Writing is the only profession where no one considers you | | ridiculous if you earn no money." - Jules Renard | ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.2 --------------- From: "Corey D. Stinson" Subject: Re: Impel Set Prices Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:40 PM 8/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-08-10 12:39:44 EDT, you write: > ><< I got a complete set for $5 one time. That was probably lucky though. > I've seen them for as much as $25-$30 asking price. Seems to me that a > reasonable middle ground would probably be $15-$20. It's a nice set, and > something every GI Joe 3 3/4" memorabilia collector will eventually want. >> > >What about the send-away binder? I've got both the set and the Joe binder >that you could send away for. Is this at all worth anything? It was >mail-away, but it is kinda neat. > >C. Rice >Fippo I really wish I would have sent away for that binder. At the time I didn't really think it was worth what Impel was asking. Now, I wish I would have sent in for that binder. ;) -- _________________________________________________________________________ // Corey Stinson || stinson@anet-stl.com \\ \\ Systems Programmer || corey@ixc.net // // Real-Time Applications & Embedded Systems || mucds@ecnet.net \\ \\ GUI Application Development || corey@masterclock.com // // World Wide Web & CGI Development || mucds@stargate.wiu.edu \\ \\ C/C++/Visual C++ (MFC)/Assembler || // // DOS/Windows 3.x '95 NT/Netware/Un*x || \\ \\ ------------------------------------------++----------------------------// // No Love Stronger / No Pain Greater / No Hate Deeper / The Church Within \\ \\____- The Obsessed ______________________________________________________// --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.3 --------------- From: Tony Subject: Figure parts trading Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:38:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If any of you are interested in trading parts of figures with me, please go to http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/sylvania/trade.htm for my list of parts available. Thanks, Tony --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.4 --------------- From: "Roger Harkavy" Subject: Various things. Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 03:09:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's been a while since I posted, so I may as well lump all of my topics into one message. On the Toys R' Us reissues: Now that I've seen pictures of the prototypes, I'm much more excited about getting my hands on these. The Storm Shadow is very impressive, as is the Cobra Commander fig. I'm still anxious to see pictures of the Viper, though. I really hope they keep it close to the original. One thing I noticed about most of these were the insignias. If they turn out as detailed as those on the POTF2 figs (Bossk comes to mind), these should be really sharp. On my ideal G.I. Joe line: I tend to agree with most of the posters here, that making the figures more military (i.e. more realistic) makes them more appealing, and day-glo colors are for the birds. We have to realize, however, that we are out of the target market for this type of toy, fifteen years after their introduction. The day-glo colors probably came out of focus groups they conducted with younger kids, who are naturally going to point at brightly colored figures and say, "I want THAT one". From the painting I saw of two of the Battle Corps Ranger Joes, the line was going to move back towards more realistic camo schemes for the good guys. Cobra was slated to get weirder (A really tacky Baroness prototype and rumors of a more robotic Dr. Mindbender come to mind), which isn't necessarily bad, if there's some kind of balance. Towards the end of the line, it seemed everyone had troops decked out in "yum-yum yellow". If the line were ever started up again, I'd like to see figures done in the vein of the original Stalker, Firefly, Nothing-Viper, and Eels. On what could prevent G.I. Joe (as we knew it, 3 3/4" flavor) from coming back: Let's face it, folks, in this day and age of paranoia regarding militia groups and home-soil terrorism, I don't think Hasbro would be so comfortable bringing the idea of a worldwide terrorist organization into kids' homes in the form of action figures. Remember, it was originally the hostage situation in Iran that stalled the introduction of the 3 3/4" line in the first place. I would love to see a continuation of the old Joe/Cobra conflict happen, but Hasbro would probably be better off continuing the whole Lunartix tangent (which, for the record, I HATED). If it came down to that, hell, bring back Cobra-La! I want an Insecticycle. On the realism of Cobra (a ruthless [well-armed] terrorist organization determined to rule the world): For the intents and purposes of this discussion, it might be wise to ignore the TV series, which when dealing with the origin of Cobra was too vague during it's initial run and then laid a big goose egg with the feature film. The comic, however, was pretty explicit in showing where Cobra got it's cash from. Initially, it was through pyramid sales schemes, tele-marketing, and probably had a fair amount of 900 number action. Later on, you can assume that whatever industry Springfield (and later Millville) had filled Cobra's coffers, and ultimately we saw them selling Terror Dromes to foreign nations. Hey, look at modern militia groups - they have plenty of money to spend on guns, ammo, and whatnot, and they're pretty small-scale compared to an organization of Cobra's size. The Church of Scientology is rumored to have at least one installation out in the desert (LandOrg?) with tanks and all, and that was an organization started by a science fiction writer! You're saying a used car salesman couldn't do better? (NOTE: While I realize that the Scientology/Tank Land rumor is just that, a rumor, I also realize that within every rumor is a grain of truth, no matter how small. The organization has gobs o' money, that cannot be disputed. And, interestingly enough, lots of ex-CIA and FBI employees that give the Church an intelligence gathering capacity on a par with the FBI itself. Creepy, eh?) On Corey's CORPS website: Very neat! I never realized how slick some of these figures were. Let me know when you want to get rid of a Circuit Breaker... On "First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the girls.": While I love the Simpsons dearly (it's the only show I watch regularly in addition to Babylon 5) and saw the episode in question, this quote originally comes from Scarface. Don't give one of Pacino's best lines away to Homer. On the notion that sending cash in the mail is illegal: Where did you people get this idea? This is prime urban legend material. I'm done rambling now. Time for sleep. For non-Joe related replies, please respond to me via email, as we don't want to clutter up the list. Does anyone have the lyrics to the "Cold Slither" theme song? The tune has been haunting me lately. --- Roger Harkavy harkavyr@mail.cybernex.net --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.5 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: Re: Various things. Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:40:32 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708110714.AAA00745@lists1.best.com> > I'm done rambling now. Time for sleep. For non-Joe related replies, please > respond to me via email, as we don't want to clutter up the list. Does > anyone have the lyrics to the "Cold Slither" theme song? The tune has been > haunting me lately. > > --- > Roger Harkavy > harkavyr@mail.cybernex.net Ask and you shall recieve. Go to my recently created "Zartan's Domain", and have a look around, you'll find the Cold Slither lyrics on the "Cold SLither" page, as well as a midi and sound clips. Hi by the way, I'm new here. ~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.6 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: New Toys confusion Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:50:19 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199708110714.AAA00745@lists1.best.com> Okay, I'm totally confused. Regarding the new and upcoming 3 3/4 figure releases. What the hell does repainted mean? Will Cobra Commander's mask be red like on that pic? Please no!!! I also hear Baroness looks really crap, well where the hell is a picture of her? I thought the orginal toy looked great. Can someone give me an up-to-date run down on these figures, and specualtion on the prices. Pretty please. ~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" - NEW GI JOE PAGE http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.7 --------------- From: Rod Hannah Subject: More Toy Questions and stuff Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:01:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would a new GI JOE 3 3/4" toyline survive? That is the question. Would non-collector kids buy it? Will it even be available to them? Where can I get all this info? The pictures on the "GI JOE 3 3/4 Newsletter HQ" page are interesting. If thats supposed to be Storm Shadow, sure coulda fooled me. Looks like Fire Fly, or at least the color scheme does. Heres a question for you customizing pro's. What sort of paint is best for repainting figures, and whats the stuff you use to glaise/varnish them with after. I think I might get in on the act. Looks like I'll have to if I want to have a correct looking Cobra Commander and Viper. ~~~Rod/Zartan "Zartan's Domain" http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwh/zartan.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.8 --------------- From: "Peter Ljungman" Subject: Scrap-Iron in the comics Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 03:38:36 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Hi! > >Did Scrap-Iron ever appear in the comic books? To the best of my >recollection, he never did. > >-Eugene > To the best of my recollection, he did appear in the comics. Since I have been reading the Swedish issues, I cannot give you the issue #, but it was during the battle of Springfield. Regards, Peter _________________________________________________ Peter Ljungman MSc European Business Administration Halmstad University, Sweden http://www.hh.se/www2/ee93pl/index.htm PLjungman@hotmail.com _________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.9 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: Fwd: RE: Outpost Defender guns? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:58:23 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii on 08/08/97 17:06:53 you wrote: > >You are correct Sir! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Corey D. Stinson [SMTP:stinson@anet-stl.com] >Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 9:30 AM >To: gijoe@lists.best.com >Subject: Re: Outpost Defender guns? > >At 12:27 AM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Does anyone know if the Outpost Defender included any figure accessories? >> The photos for it in the mid-80s toy insert catalogs show some, but I've >>never heard of it including any. >> >>thanks >>Brian > > The blueprints for the Outpost Defender show that it has a crate that can >hold three rifles. The description is vague so you don't know if the rifles >came with the set or not. I have the set but can't honestly remember if the >rifles came with it or not. Anyone know if the rifles came with the crate? >The rifles shown in the blueprints are a Dragonov Cobra Officer rifle, an >Airborne (1st) rifle, and a Grunt M-16. > >-- > _______________________________________________ Does anyone have info on what COLOR these guns should be ???? Also, while on this subject can anyone describe the canteen to the Biovac set ..I may have it for mine but not sure if it's correct. anyone got blueprints they could copy for me.. YO JOE !!! Al S. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.10 --------------- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com Subject: Fwd: Re: The GI JOE team Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:58:25 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >(and let's not talk about the whole >Transformer crossover stuff - or how MetalHead can launch rockets that are >mounted on his shoulder : there's realism for ya) > What's so bad about that ?? ( ever hear of the bazooka or LAW ). As a solid propellant engineer myself I know that that could be done. Al Swackhammer ( Rocket Vehicals / Green Dragon Rocket motors ) --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.11 --------------- From: Michele Riggle Subject: Re: Scrap-Iron in the comics Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:44:58 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:38 AM 8/11/97 PDT, you wrote: >Hi! > >> >>Did Scrap-Iron ever appear in the comic books? To the best of my >>recollection, he never did. >> >>-Eugene >> > >To the best of my recollection, he did appear in the comics. Since I >have been reading the Swedish issues, I cannot give you the issue #, but >it was during the battle of Springfield. > >Regards, > >Peter >_________________________________________________ >Peter Ljungman >MSc European Business Administration >Halmstad University, Sweden >http://www.hh.se/www2/ee93pl/index.htm >PLjungman@hotmail.com >_________________________________________________ > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > Scrap Iron was in the space ship that Fred and the Baroness took up to destroy satellites. I think it was the issue that introduced the Defiant, Hardtop, and a white Payload. But in a Special Mission comic, it showed Payload to be African American. Gabe --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.12 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: STOP IT!!!! Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:17:36 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708101904.MAA19398@lists1.best.com> > their debate, but not back and forth rantings between people. If I wanted > that, I'd be looking for Thor's posts in the newsgroup. Hey man, Thor rocks. Don't be badmouthin' my man Thor.. He keeps that newsgroup going. Well, okay, he's an asshole, but he's my kind of asshole (to paraphrase from Die Hard II - Die Harder). Later, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.13 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: The GI JOE team Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:28:58 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708111258.FAA02796@lists1.best.com> > >(and let's not talk about the whole > >Transformer crossover stuff - or how MetalHead can launch rockets that are > >mounted on his shoulder : there's realism for ya) > > > > > What's so bad about that ?? ( ever hear of the bazooka or LAW ). > As a solid propellant engineer myself I know that that could be done. > > Al Swackhammer > ( Rocket Vehicals / Green Dragon Rocket motors ) Ok, I really didn't want to continue on this thread, but I have to say...Are you insane?? I had to take solids, thermo, dynamics and all the rest too, and I can say that the way Metal Head and that Joe with rockets (Countdown???sorry can't recall his name) have their rockets set up would be fatal. Yes I have heard of a LAW and a bazooka. In fact, I've been around during live training when they've been fired. Have you ever seen the back-blast caused? It would total those guys. There is a reason that the barrel extends several feet behind the user. Add to that the fact that these guys just stand there, or even run forward while firing...and I'm sorry but that is the most unrealistic things I've seen (okay, well maybe not as bad as Golobulus, Megatron, POGO etc...but pretty bad). Later, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.14 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: People with Various Joe parts for trade Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:33:06 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708102025.NAA09371@lists1.best.com> Hi folks, There have been a bunch of people lately who tack on a message to the end of their post which says that they have Joe parts or weapons for trade, and to check out their site. A very kind soul has put together a Parts Trader on this list...Why don't people use it? Instead of adding this line to your posts, why not submit your list to the Parts Trader...that's what it is there for. Later folks, Duane PS I have a bunch of weapons and Joe parts for trade, check out the Parts Trader (code name Arlington if I remember right?) for a list. -------------------------------------------- Duane Burchell burchell@engsoc.carleton.ca Faculty of Engineering, Carleton University --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.15 --------------- From: BRubino316@aol.com Subject: Re: More Toy Questions and stuff Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:57:53 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-11 04:11:02 EDT, you write: << Would a new GI JOE 3 3/4" toyline survive? That is the question. Would non-collector kids buy it? Will it even be available to them? Where can I get all this info? >> Hopefully. I was watching my dad's girlfriend's son one night, he saw one of my GI Joe catalogs and was really excited about it. The other night he was over with a friend playing Nintendo 64; I was watching his friend and he couldn't take his eyes off my GI Joe figures hanging on the walls. I don't know if this means much, but it is a start. I can't help but wonder, would they have rather played with the figures if they were out of the package? BR --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.16 --------------- From: Adam Bernay Subject: Re: Various things. Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:15:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708110714.AAA00745@lists1.best.com> On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Roger Harkavy wrote: > On what could prevent G.I. Joe (as we knew it, 3 3/4" flavor) from coming > back: Let's face it, folks, in this day and age of paranoia regarding > militia groups and home-soil terrorism, I don't think Hasbro would be so > comfortable bringing the idea of a worldwide terrorist organization into > kids' homes in the form of action figures. Remember, it was originally the > hostage situation in Iran that stalled the introduction of the 3 3/4" line > in the first place. I would love to see a continuation of the old Joe/Cobra > conflict happen, but Hasbro would probably be better off continuing the > whole Lunartix tangent (which, for the record, I HATED). If it came down to > that, hell, bring back Cobra-La! I want an Insecticycle. Then a child psychologist needs to talk to Hasbro. In fact, this sort of thing will help kids *DEAL* with the terrorism in the world. Why? The terrorists are painted 100% as the bad guys, and they always lose. In fact, what they need to do is make Cobra *NASTIER*. Eject the silly elements of them (you'd think with all of that money, C.C. could hire a speech therapist to help him with that lisp ;-), except the Dreadnocks, who are stupid, as are a lot of the thug-types that do the dirty work for American terrorist/militia groups. All in all, The Real American Heroes can make a positive impact on kids subjected to more and more terrorism that inches closer and closer each year. And, hopefully, it will encourage some of them to pursue career fields that will help to combat terrorism. We can only hope... Adam Bernay CODE NAME: Maccabee --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.17 --------------- From: Tony Subject: Re: People with Various Joe parts for trade Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:37:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How the the parts trader work? Tony At 12:33 PM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi folks, > There have been a bunch of people lately who tack on a message to >the end of their post which says that they have Joe parts or weapons for >trade, and to check out their site. A very kind soul has put together a >Parts Trader on this list...Why don't people use it? Instead of adding >this line to your posts, why not submit your list to the Parts >Trader...that's what it is there for. > >Later folks, > Duane > >PS I have a bunch of weapons and Joe parts for trade, check out the Parts >Trader (code name Arlington if I remember right?) for a list. > >-------------------------------------------- >Duane Burchell >burchell@engsoc.carleton.ca >Faculty of Engineering, Carleton University > --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.18 --------------- From: Rerun1138@aol.com Subject: Re: Timber and Scrap-Iron Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:11:37 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-11 04:18:56 EDT, you write: << >>Did Scrap-Iron ever appear in the comic books? To the best of my >>recollection, he never did. > > Yes, Scrap-Iron appeared in the comics. As a matter of fact he dropped a >rocket on a certain pivotal character and thus ended his existence. You're right - my bad. G.I.Joe #43. Were there any other appearances? >> I always thought it was kind of weird that the killer of the Soft Master disappeared so cleanly. This led to another of my wacky theories. For a while, I thought that Scrap-Iron and Metal-head were probably the same guy. After all, both worked for Destro, wproking undercover within Cobra, and both carried great big anti-tank missiles on their backs. Eventually, it dawned on me that there was no real reason for Scrap-Iron to hide his identity this way and I gave my theory up... Back and to the left... Back and to the left... -Ed --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.19 --------------- From: JJWR1@aol.com Subject: Removal from list Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Hi, how do I go about getting removed from the list? Making a new screenname to deal with the messages, and I don't want to keep getting them at this address too. Thanks Josh --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.20 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: Timber and Scrap-Iron Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:53:31 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708111911.MAA05484@lists1.best.com> > I always thought it was kind of weird that the killer of the Soft Master > disappeared so cleanly. This led to another of my wacky theories. For a > while, I thought that Scrap-Iron and Metal-head were probably the same guy. > After all, both worked for Destro, wproking undercover within Cobra, and > both carried great big anti-tank missiles on their backs. Eventually, it > dawned on me that there was no real reason for Scrap-Iron to hide his > identity this way and I gave my theory up... Unless, of course, Scrap Iron was really ScarFace, who did not actually die as we all thought he did. ScarFace also worked for Destro (sometimes, kinda - actually he got pushed around a lot). Then he decided not to take the bullying anymore, and re-introduced himself as ScrapIron, wearing a mask that concealed his scar. He then had plastic surgery along with the Baroness and SnakeEyes over in Switzerland (sp?) and discarded the mask to become Metal Head. (BTW, Scrap Iron didn't actually carry his missles on his back as Metal Head did...but that's another thread that I'm currently discussing) Of course, a side effect of the surgery was that he now became an absolute moron who would no longer have the explosive skill to kill the Soft Master like before. And the theories continue....... > Back and to the left... > Back and to the left... And what if Scrap Iron WAS the guy on the grassy knoll?.... Later, Duane --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.21 --------------- From: Duane Burchell Subject: Re: People with Various Joe parts for trade Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:59:01 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199708111733.KAA29746@lists1.best.com> > How the the parts trader work? > > Tony Email Adam Casey. Send him the list of what you have and what you want in both vehicle and figure parts and accessories. He will be kind enough to add you to the Arlington trade list (or at least, he might....depends what kinda mood he's in I guess :) ) Later, Duane > > There have been a bunch of people lately who tack on a message to > >the end of their post which says that they have Joe parts or weapons for > >trade, and to check out their site. A very kind soul has put together a > >Parts Trader on this list...Why don't people use it? Instead of adding > >this line to your posts, why not submit your list to the Parts > >Trader...that's what it is there for. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.22 --------------- From: Ian & Melanie Subject: RE: RE: Outpost Defender guns? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:55:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The guns were a navy blue. The Bivouac set canteen was a canteen with a narrow loop, that was = always pictured hanging on the bivouac tent poles. -----Original Message----- From: rktmoose@ix.netcom.com [SMTP:rktmoose@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 1997 8:58 AM To: gijoe@lists.best.com Subject: Fwd: RE: Outpost Defender guns? on 08/08/97 17:06:53 you wrote: > >You are correct Sir! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Corey D. Stinson [SMTP:stinson@anet-stl.com] >Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 9:30 AM >To: gijoe@lists.best.com >Subject: Re: Outpost Defender guns? > >At 12:27 AM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Does anyone know if the Outpost Defender included any figure = accessories? >> The photos for it in the mid-80s toy insert catalogs show some, but = I've >>never heard of it including any. =20 >> >>thanks >>Brian > =20 > The blueprints for the Outpost Defender show that it has a crate = that can >hold three rifles. The description is vague so you don't know if the = rifles >came with the set or not. I have the set but can't honestly remember = if the >rifles came with it or not. Anyone know if the rifles came with the = crate? >The rifles shown in the blueprints are a Dragonov Cobra Officer rifle, = an >Airborne (1st) rifle, and a Grunt M-16. > >-- > _______________________________________________ =20 Does anyone have info on what COLOR these guns should be ???? Also, while on this subject can anyone describe the canteen to the = Biovac set ..I may have it for mine but not sure if it's correct. anyone = got blueprints they could copy for me.. YO JOE !!! Al S. --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.23 --------------- From: brockman@one.net (Mark & Debbie Brockman) Subject: WTB: 3 3/4" GI Joe Vehicles... Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:14:08 GMT I'm looking for the following 3 3/4" Joe vehicles MIB (factory sealed): --Mudfighter --Cobra Condor Z25 --Night Force Night Boomer If you have any of these for sale please E-mail me with your prices. Thanks, --Mark E-mail: brockman@one.net --> Collecting GI Joe in Cincinnati Ohio <-- --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.24 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: Re: Special Mission Brazil Weapons Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:50:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:08 PM 8/10/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Hey Gang- > >A couple months ago, I told you about Pat Vandemeer, who has mint-bags with >the Special Mission Brazil weapons. She still has them for $12 a bag. > >They're sealed bags with Claymore's helmet and uzi, Dialtone's backpack and >gun, Leatherneck's backpack and gun, Wetsuit's backpack, flashlight, jet, >flippers, and airmask, and Mainframe's backpack, computer, handset, and >cord. > >E-mail me for more information - I have her sales list of really cheap >carded figures, too. > > >-Eugene Hey Eugene, I'd like to find out more about this. Could you let me know something about it like maybe a mailing address or what ever. Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.25 --------------- From: Dwayne Marshall Subject: Re: Sears Six-Pack (was Re: Questions I've had) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:47:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:06 PM 8/9/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 5:39 PM -0500 8/9/97, snap_man@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >>>I have Storm Shadow, Destro, Firefly, Scrap Iron, Baroness, and a Cobra >>>Soilder with red-back file cards. I received these figures for Christmas >>>in 84 (I think). They were a special 6-pack available from Sears. >>> >>>There was a similar set of Joes. But I did not get it, so I don't know >>>who was in it, but they too probably had red backs >> >>I remember receiving a six-pack of Joes years ago. It came with Roadblock, >>Ripcord, Gung-Ho, Recondo, Mutt/Junkyard, and Spirit/Freedom. This might >>be the set you're thinking about. >> > >Did your six figures have red-backed filecards? I know Eddie's Cobra set >did. > >I really need to find out more about these sets - anyone have access to a >1984 Christmas Sears catalog and a scanner? > > >- Eugene, I have most of the Sears catalogs from 82 to present.Most of the big companies like J.C.Penney's and Sears, untill recently didn't receive figures from the toy companies on cards. They were sent to them in bags for their catalog sales. Sometimes when the figures were going to be sold in sets the companies put all of the figures and acessories together in a white or brown mailer box and then sent them to the stores. Also a few years afer some of the figures were available in the stores some(probably all the overstock from the catalog sales)were sent to stores like Kay Bee,Childrens Palace,etc in bags and not carded. I remember picking up my Buzzer,Ripper,Snow Serpent,and Eels this way in a bin at one of these stores. I can scan a couple of the pages in for you if you want ,but it dosen't tell you anything. Dwayne For COBRA..............For the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COBRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " As I looked upon the stair,I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away." Drop By and see me some time http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1701 email dlmar@dmv.com http://members.tripod.com/~Cobra_Commander/ email tele_vipers@hotmail.com http://www.freeyellow.com/members/shadowwalker/index.html --------------- MESSAGE gijoe.v001.n250.26 --------------- From: Rerun1138@aol.com Subject: Re: Timber and Scrap-Iron Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:19:00 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-11 23:29:17 EDT, you write: << Unless, of course, Scrap Iron was really ScarFace, who did not actually die as we all thought he did. ScarFace also worked for Destro (sometimes, kinda - actually he got pushed around a lot). Then he decided not to take the bullying anymore, and re-introduced himself as ScrapIron, wearing a mask that concealed his scar.>> But, wait a minute... take a look at your Scrap-Iron figure. He DID have a scar. It's all fitting together... <> That's one theory. But some still claim they saw Scrap-Iron with the missiles on his back, around the time of issue 43, page 19, panel 1. << Of course, a side effect of the surgery was that he now became an absolute moron who would no longer have the explosive skill to kill the Soft Master like before. And the theories continue.......>> Considering how the Soft Master had to THROW himself on the missile to get it to kill him, one might theorize that he lost his targeting skills when the Pit I blew up in issue 19. Perhaps a side effect of the surgery was a stimulation to facial hair growth. > Back and to the left... > Back and to the left... And what if Scrap Iron WAS the guy on the grassy knoll?.... >> Oh! But of course! This could explain the entire confusing story in issue 152. Why else would we be shown that Joseph Colton had met with JFK only days before his death in Dallas? It's sort of a circular story! Colton's first mission as GI Joe probably involved covering up (for some reason) the fact that Scrap-Iron (in his pre-Scarface days) killed the president! This may be the reason that Colton retired to become an adventurer. Following an absence from civilization for a few years, Scrap-Iron returned (now with a mysterious scar) and joined up with Cobra (but perhaps was working/being pushed around for/by Destro). After all, All records of Destro's actions seem to disappear in the years prior to 1968! Who knows what he could have been involved in as a mischevious teenager? Somewhere along the way (perhaps during the "lost years" (1964-1982) when Scrap-Iron disappeared from civilization, he developed some sort of obsession with carrying heavy anti-tank machinery on his back (despite the fact that everyone knows you should lift that sort of stuff with your legs). Then after changing his identity a couple more times (now known as Metal-head), Scrap-Iron used all the money he made off Destro for all those years to buy up the rights to the GI Joe cartoon and shelve it. Then Joe Colton was re-activated to counter this new threat. After all, he somehow (successfully?) dealt with Scrap-Iron back in the 60's, right? But then the comic was cancelled, and Colton was never able to get the cartoon back. Hence, it's not on TV to this day! Of course, the theory still has a couple holes in it, but I think we're on the right track. By the way, if I quit returning calls, *they* probably got to me. -Ed Mundy --------------- END gijoe.v001.n250 ---------------